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i have a integra 80.2 processor which AGAIN is having hdmi issues...

i love the sound of this unit but i've just had it...i'm done with integra

tonite i saw music direct has the 8801 on sale for xxxx.00...which seems to be a great deal if i dont need atmos, which i dont.

anyone had hands on with both processors?

i'd be happy if the 8801 sounded as good as the 80.2...and just tickled ****less if it sounded better...
Onkyo should fix your processor at no charge under their goodwill program

as for having hands on both of them...I have..or rather had the Onkyo version
They sound so much the same that you would be hard pressed to tell which you were listening to...in an unsighted test

Some of the functionality of the Marantz I like a bit better...I also like the looks of the Marantz better
However...both are subjective points on my part

I think what you can expect sound wise is more of the same...especially in surround
I havent spend enough time listening to the Marantz for dicerning 2 channel music to have a verdict on that as of yet

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yeah, I've had 2 repairs and a replacement unit (which still has a year of coverage) so I will get it repaired...just not gonna put it back in my system again...

ordered the 8801 this morning...hope to have it this week

I agree with you on the looks by the way...

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ordered the 8801 this morning...hope to have it this week

I agree with you on the looks by the way...
Also ordered mine this afternoon. I have two Rotel 2 channel amps and I'm planning on using my previous AVR, the Denon 3803 as my amps for the 4 surround speakers. I've never had separates in the Theater room, I'm looking forward to it.
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Also ordered mine this afternoon. I have two Rotel 2 channel amps and I'm planning on using my previous AVR, the Denon 3803 as my amps for the 4 surround speakers. I've never had separates in the Theater room, I'm looking forward to it.

well what a coincidence...i have two rotel amps as well (a 2 channel and a 5 channel)...and i ALSO used the 3803 for a pre/pro awhile back
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I'm finally upgrading my 886 Onkyo that's routinely video freezing. Looking at the 8801, 7702, or 8802 - if I go all out. This will be for both 2ch audio and surround. Not totally convinced I'll go Atmos speakers as I really like my dialed in 7.2 system. Plus the idea of running more lines in the ceiling will be a pain. Decisions, decisions, decisions! Some great deals on the previous 8801 flagship model. BUT also, some neat new features on the new units beyond even Atmos. If the new HDAM units are supposed to be more "transparent" in the audio path, I'm sold. I know the 8801 has been described as a bit more warm sounding or less bright or less forward. Whereas the newer units are apparently not as laid back sounding. This to me reads like the newer units color the sound less and are more "transparent". Thoughts, opinions, words of wisdom or experience?

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I doubt it. Like other users, I have measured my response to be very flat. If you want your preamp to color the sound though, it supports custom Audyssey pro curves (using the pro kit) or you can use the tone controls or built in equalizer.


I doubt anyone could blindly hear the difference between the new and old units. The used AV8801's are at a no brainer price (~$1k).


If buying new, the Emotiva XMC-1 looks interesting, and is made in the US. Probably worth calling them.


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I'm finally upgrading my 886 Onkyo that's routinely video freezing. Looking at the 8801, 7702, or 8802 - if I go all out. This will be for both 2ch audio and surround. Not totally convinced I'll go Atmos speakers as I really like my dialed in 7.2 system. Plus the idea of running more lines in the ceiling will be a pain. Decisions, decisions, decisions! Some great deals on the previous 8801 flagship model. BUT also, some neat new features on the new units beyond even Atmos. If the new HDAM units are supposed to be more "transparent" in the audio path, I'm sold. I know the 8801 has been described as a bit more warm sounding or less bright or less forward. Whereas the newer units are apparently not as laid back sounding. This to me reads like the newer units color the sound less and are more "transparent". Thoughts, opinions, words of wisdom or experience?
The 8801 will be a MAJOR upgrade. I've had the 885 and the Onkyo is not even in the same league.

Personally - wait for the 8803. There is a ton of new technology being introduced and I feel the 8802 will be a "version 1.0" of a lot of goodies. The 8801 might be outdated, but if you don't use Atmos I doubt you'll notice the difference.

Go for the 8801.
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The 8801 will be a MAJOR upgrade. I've had the 885 and the Onkyo is not even in the same league.

Personally - wait for the 8803. There is a ton of new technology being introduced and I feel the 8802 will be a "version 1.0" of a lot of goodies. The 8801 might be outdated, but if you don't use Atmos I doubt you'll notice the difference.

Go for the 8801.
Hmm! what new technologies?
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Hmm! what new technologies?
You're kidding right?
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You're kidding right?
Last I checked the 8802 is on the cutting edge unless there's something I missed?

DTSX
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Auro3D

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well what a coincidence...i have two rotel amps as well (a 2 channel and a 5 channel)...and i ALSO used the 3803 for a pre/pro awhile back
Honestly I was very happy with my system. I only have two sources in the theater room: a computer for TV watching (via a cablecard system) and a Blu-ray player. We mostly use the blu-ray player, but so far it has been the one doing all the audio processing and then sending analog 7.1 out into the Denon. But having the computer in there, I have to use a HDMI to optical jack, and that has now introduced noise into the system. coupled with a ton of other benefits and the current pricing on this processor, I'm looking forward to getting this integrated into my system. Hopefully it will all work and play well together.
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Last I checked the 8802 is on the cutting edge unless there's something I missed?

DTSX
New Hdmi spec
Auro3D

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It will get HDMI 2.2 (and DTS-X and *hopefully* it'll all play well together and work) but will it support HDR and all that other new fangled color space/gamut that the UHD committee still hasnt finalized? idk, if I had that kind of dough, I'd wait a year until these issues were ironed out and then buy. the 8802 really does seem like a stop-gap till the 8803 is out.

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Last I checked the 8802 is on the cutting edge unless there's something I missed?

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New Hdmi spec
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It will get HDMI 2.2 (and DTS-X and *hopefully* it'll all play well together and work) but will it support HDR and all that other new fangled color space/gamut that the UHD still hasnt finalized? idk, if I had that kind of dough, I'd wait a year until these issues were ironed out and then buy. the 8802 really does seem like a stop-gap till the 8803 is out.

My quote: "There is a ton of new technology being introduced and I feel the 8802 will be a "version 1.0" of a lot of goodies"

I guess audiofan misunderstood me. My point is that the 8802 has a lot of new technology, but unfortunately in my opinion it's the V1.0 version of it. I rather skip a generation just like Ou8thisSN is saying. That's my point.

Sure, I wouldn't mind owning a AV8802 if you can afford it. But $1k or so for a AV8801? That's a steal.
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It will get HDMI 2.2 (and DTS-X and *hopefully* it'll all play well together and work) but will it support HDR and all that other new fangled color space/gamut that the UHD still hasnt finalized? idk, if I had that kind of dough, I'd wait a year until these issues were ironed out and then buy. the 8802 really does seem like a stop-gap till the 8803 is out.
Yep! it will support HDR pretty much all covered, sans perhaps more channels (personally I just came from 5.1 to a full blown 7.2.4 and that's beyond pushing it for me ) and say a move to a different room correction or an updated version of Audyssey but stop gap? that was the 8801 in my book (thought i was safe till Dolby anounced Atmos was coming to the home) as the 8802 will be in rack for a good while
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My quote: "There is a ton of new technology being introduced and I feel the 8802 will be a "version 1.0" of a lot of goodies"

I guess audiofan misunderstood me. My point is that the 8802 has a lot of new technology, but unfortunately in my opinion it's the V1.0 version of it. I rather skip a generation just like Ou8thisSN is saying. That's my point.

Sure, I wouldn't mind owning a AV8802 if you can afford it. But $1k or so for a AV8801? That's a steal.
I will agree the 8801 at the current prices is a no brainier
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yeah, I've had 2 repairs and a replacement unit (which still has a year of coverage) so I will get it repaired...just not gonna put it back in my system again...

ordered the 8801 this morning...hope to have it this week

I agree with you on the looks by the way...
sounds you had some of the experience I had
I had a Onkyo 5508 that failed twice...they gave me a new 5509. I never even connected the 5509 and sold it
Bought the new Marantz 8801 for less than I paid years ago for the 5508
Actually made $150 profit from selling the Onkyo 5509 and buying the Marantz 8801

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I doubt anyone could blindly hear the difference between the new and old units. The used AV8801's are at a no brainer price (~$1k).

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Not sure I would pay $1K for a used Marantz 8801...I paid just a little more than that for a brand new unit
Based on the resets I have had to do...not sure I would trust the unit without some sort of warranty
According to what I see in the Marantz paperwork factory warranty does not transfer from the original owner

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The 8801 will be a MAJOR upgrade. I've had the 885 and the Onkyo is not even in the same league.
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to be fair you need to compare items of the same generations
I had the Onkyo 885 years ago as well...and the 5508 was a major upgrade to it
I think sound differences in the later Onkyo/Integra's..5508/5509/80.2/80.3 are going to be minimal in comparison to the Marantz 8801

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It will get HDMI 2.2 (and DTS-X and *hopefully* it'll all play well together and work) but will it support HDR and all that other new fangled color space/gamut that the UHD still hasnt finalized? idk, if I had that kind of dough, I'd wait a year until these issues were ironed out and then buy. the 8802 really does seem like a stop-gap till the 8803 is out.
or you just buy a 4K blu ray player with 2 HDMI outputs and wait about a year and the 8802 will probably be 40--50% less( street price) that it is now
Right now the 8802 has little competition

If what I understand is correct.... yamaha is reintroducing their new pre-amp shortly at an MSRP of $2199....that should shake things up a bit
Their last one was well reviewed and is holding better value than the Marantz 8801 is right now on the used market


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I'm actually seeing similar pricing between the 7702 and 8801 units, both with warranty. I almost pulled the trigger on the 8802 last night, but held off to "sleep on it". Now I'm back to the 8801 vs. 7702 this morning.

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sounds you had some of the experience I had
I had a Onkyo 5508 that failed twice...they gave me a new 5509. I never even connected the 5509 and sold it
Bought the new Marantz 8801 for less than I paid years ago for the 5508
Actually made $150 profit from selling the Onkyo 5509 and buying the Marantz 8801


Not sure I would pay $1K for a used Marantz 8801...I paid just a little more than that for a brand new unit
Based on the resets I have had to do...not sure I would trust the unit without some sort of warranty
According to what I see in the Marantz paperwork factory warranty does not transfer from the original owner


to be fair you need to compare items of the same generations
I had the Onkyo 885 years ago as well...and the 5508 was a major upgrade to it
I think sound differences in the later Onkyo/Integra's..5508/5509/80.2/80.3 are going to be minimal in comparison to the Marantz 8801

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You can have bad luck with a unit. In general, the Marantz units have a good reputation for being reliable. Although I personally would spend a few more dollars to get a new unit with warranty.

As far as Onkyo is concerned... I really hated the sound of the 885. It sounded like a receiver to me, so for me the upgrade to the Marantz was worth every penny. I'm not sure if the 886 was such a big upgrade over the 885. Anyway, most reviewers agree that the AV8801 is a great unit (even when it retailed over $3,500) and I can wholeheartedly recommend it.
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or you just buy a 4K blu ray player with 2 HDMI outputs and wait about a year and the 8802 will probably be 40--50% less( street price) that it is now
Right now the 8802 has little competition

If what I understand is correct.... yamaha is reintroducing their new pre-amp shortly at an MSRP of $2199....that should shake things up a bit
Their last one was well reviewed and is holding better value than the Marantz 8801 is right now on the used market


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I still think buying anything right now AND being assured that it's future-proofed is dumb. We saw this same nonsense back in the days of component to DVI and HDMI where people were left out due to incompatibility and unstability issues. I'd suck it up and wait 18 months till the standards were set and established and then see how manufacturers were responding.
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You can have bad luck with a unit. In general, the Marantz units have a good reputation for being reliable. Although I personally would spend a few more dollars to get a new unit with warranty.

As far as Onkyo is concerned... I really hated the sound of the 885. It sounded like a receiver to me, so for me the upgrade to the Marantz was worth every penny. I'm not sure if the 886 was such a big upgrade over the 885. Anyway, most reviewers agree that the AV8801 is a great unit (even when it retailed over $3,500) and I can wholeheartedly recommend it.
I can certainly understand bad luck with a unit
I had to reset my Marantz 8801 to get it to operate just the other day. I have done a couple of resets on the Denon 4520 receiver and it also has been to the service center once. Going back in time I had a 4310 that I just thought was a crappy unit and sold it and a 4308 that Denon bought back for multiple repair reasons
I had quite a few Onkyo's..875..905..906...885 ..5008 and 5009....most of which have had HDMI board issues
In fact I have a 906 packed in the closest right now that has some bad HDMI ports
The Pioneer Elite and Yamaha units...for me...have been more reliable than the Onkyo/Integra or D&M products
Its has been many years since I owned the 885...but at the time I recall liking the sound based on what else was available at that time
In later generations the 5008 was a major upgrade from the 885
I dont know what you mean when you say it sounded like a receiver?

As I have said before
1. I think the newer higher end Onkyo/Integra and D&M products with Audyssey XT32 sound just about the same
2. I seriously doubt in an unsighted test I could tell the difference in my Marantz 8801 and Denon 4520( used as a preamp)

I agree with you the Marantz 8801 is a very good unit as are its Onkyo 5509/Integra 80.3 competition
The Asian branded products in this category offer some amazing value...especially a year or so after introduction when they are at closeout prices

The delta to the flagship products...Krell..Anthem etc is many times more money for (IMO) a small performance upgrade in surround
For pure music listening those products are typically(IMO) have a more discernible level of higher performance vs the Asians

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I still think buying anything right now AND being assured that it's future-proofed is dumb. We saw this same nonsense back in the days of component to DVI and HDMI where people were left out due to incompatibility and unstability issues. I'd suck it up and wait 18 months till the standards were set and established and then see how manufacturers were responding.
I dont disagree with you...hence my reason for suggesting a blu ray player with two HDMI outputs

Jumping on the bandwagon initially for every little change in audio equipment will leave you with a pile or relatively worthless metal...lol....and you will be buying about every season if you are buying Asian products

The ultra high end brands are rolling out products in the next months that are atmos capable...those brands typically dont change for 5-7 years

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Also ordered mine this afternoon. I have two Rotel 2 channel amps and I'm planning on using my previous AVR, the Denon 3803 as my amps for the 4 surround speakers. I've never had separates in the Theater room, I'm looking forward to it.
got an email bout an hour ago from music direct wanting order confirmation because i am a first time buyer...

i guess its good to be safe but i was under the impression it was shipping yesterday...now will ship tomorrow (wednesday)

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got an email bout an hour ago from music direct wanting order confirmation because i am a first time buyer...

i guess its good to be safe but i was under the impression it was shipping yesterday...now will ship tomorrow (wednesday)

oh well...what's a mother to do
I like music direct, bought from them before. Good company but since my last order they charge tax here so I went with another vendor that uses amazon fulfillment. I still havent got a 'shipped' notification yet. Hoping to get it by Friday.
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Well I got my 8801 yesterday and finally got everything hooked up. I ran the Audessey program yesterday and it said to calibrate my sub to '75dB' which was about 1/3rd the volume I had it set on before. I'm not a bass head or anything but is that really how quiet it's supposed to be when calibrated?
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Well I got my 8801 yesterday and finally got everything hooked up. I ran the Audessey program yesterday and it said to calibrate my sub to '75dB' which was about 1/3rd the volume I had it set on before. I'm not a bass head or anything but is that really how quiet it's supposed to be when calibrated?
Audyssey is designed to calibrate all speakers, including the sub, to a level of 75dB. After the calibration, what you are likely hearing is "flatter bass", and there is an old saying "flat bass sounds like no bass at all".

There is nothing wrong with raising the sub trim in the AVR to suit your tastes. If you have a measuring system like REW or OmniMic, it might be interesting to check the post-Audyssey levels to see what is going on.
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Audyssey is designed to calibrate all speakers, including the sub, to a level of 75dB. After the calibration, what you are likely hearing is "flatter bass", and there is an old saying "flat bass sounds like no bass at all".

There is nothing wrong with raising the sub trim in the AVR to suit your tastes. If you have a measuring system like REW or OmniMic, it might be interesting to check the post-Audyssey levels to see what is going on.

Good to know. Some movies have entirely too much bass (at my ad hoc settings prior to calibrating with audessey) and I'm no longer at a point in my life where I like to ear things at ear-splitting levels or show off for my friends. I'll watch a few movies with the calibrated settings and see how I like it.

Another question: I have a couple of other questions: Is it possible to have 1 of the side surrounds be connected as an RCA and the other as XLR? I have an unused channel on one of my 2 channel amps that I'd like to use, but so far I havent found a way to individually assign what type of amp connection I'm using. I assume the answer is no.

Speaking of amps. I have recycled my old Denon receiver to use as just a power amp for the 4 rear channels. I have it all set up correctly, except I'm not sure what volume level I'm supposed to leave the Denon set at. is it 0dB? Does it matter? The denon does not have a line-level input for its multi-channel analog inputs (the amp-in connectors as they are called). So I figured I'd just leave it at 0db in pure direct mode and then calibrate on the marantz. Is this correct?
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Good to know. Some movies have entirely too much bass (at my ad hoc settings prior to calibrating with audessey) and I'm no longer at a point in my life where I like to ear things at ear-splitting levels or show off for my friends. I'll watch a few movies with the calibrated settings and see how I like it.

Another question: I have a couple of other questions: Is it possible to have 1 of the side surrounds be connected as an RCA and the other as XLR? I have an unused channel on one of my 2 channel amps that I'd like to use, but so far I havent found a way to individually assign what type of amp connection I'm using. I assume the answer is no.

Speaking of amps. I have recycled my old Denon receiver to use as just a power amp for the 4 rear channels. I have it all set up correctly, except I'm not sure what volume level I'm supposed to leave the Denon set at. is it 0dB? Does it matter? The denon does not have a line-level input for its multi-channel analog inputs (the amp-in connectors as they are called). So I figured I'd just leave it at 0db in pure direct mode and then calibrate on the marantz. Is this correct?
Regarding connecting the surrounds with two different methods, there will likely be a disparity in output levels, so if you try this, do it before calibrating and than re-run the calibration.

As far as running the Denon at zero MV, that should work.
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Good to know. Some movies have entirely too much bass (at my ad hoc settings prior to calibrating with audessey) and I'm no longer at a point in my life where I like to ear things at ear-splitting levels or show off for my friends. I'll watch a few movies with the calibrated settings and see how I like it.

Another question: I have a couple of other questions: Is it possible to have 1 of the side surrounds be connected as an RCA and the other as XLR? I have an unused channel on one of my 2 channel amps that I'd like to use, but so far I havent found a way to individually assign what type of amp connection I'm using. I assume the answer is no.

Speaking of amps. I have recycled my old Denon receiver to use as just a power amp for the 4 rear channels. I have it all set up correctly, except I'm not sure what volume level I'm supposed to leave the Denon set at. is it 0dB? Does it matter? The denon does not have a line-level input for its multi-channel analog inputs (the amp-in connectors as they are called). So I figured I'd just leave it at 0db in pure direct mode and then calibrate on the marantz. Is this correct?
Yes, 0db is the minimum volume you'll want to use on the Denon with either DIRECT or PURE DIRECT on the Denon as well and run Audyssey and further adjust on the AV8801.

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Hi Guys -
I'm having some odd behavior from my 8801 and looking for some suggestions.
My 8801 is connected to a Lumagen Radiance XS and then to displays.
The unit won't give any audio unless the Lumagen is turned on.
Before: push airplay from my phone - turns on 8801, switches input, wonderful music.
Now: push airplay from my phone - turns on 8801, switches input, no music. Turn on Lumagen, wonderful music.
Getting the same behavior from something connected via coax. No audio unless I switch on the Lumagen.
Clearly something HDMI.
Any thoughts?
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