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Having an issue that I was wondering if anybody had previously had .. I have had the 8801 and the Oppo /Cable Box arrangement for over a year... But now I start getting this handshake issue ... I have always had Output 1 on my Oppo 103 going straight to TV ( Sony) .. Output 2 goes to the 8801 to "Blu Ray"for my sound.. ..I do this so the Video in the Marantz is bypassed and the better processors in the Oppo are not messed with in the Marantz ..I like the picture much better this way .. My cable box only has one HDMI output and it goes to Marantz (Cab/Sat) input and then out through a Arc Monitor Output > to the Sony Tv . Now , when ever we are watching TV ( (Cable Box Input 1 on TV), and we switch over to (Blu Ray input 3 on TV) and of course we have to switch to ( Blu Ray) on the Marantz for the sound ..... I start getting " No input device detected " and a black screen on the Sony ... Comes and goes 5 seconds apart as it fires up... then goes out .. The only way I can get the movie to play is to unplug the HDMI from the monitor coming out of the Marantz ... I notice on the new 8802, the 2 monitor outputs are divided between ARC and non Arc ... Whereas mine is both Arc .. Is this Arc screwing with things ? ... I have tried many, many settings including a system reset trying to stop this... But I'm bushed... Anyone ?

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Having an issue that I was wondering if anybody had previously had .. I have had the 8801 and the Oppo /Cable Box arrangement for over a year... But now I start getting this handshake issue ... I have always had Output 1 on my Oppo 103 going straight to TV ( Sony) .. Output 2 goes to the 8801 to "Blu Ray"for my sound.. ..I do this so the Video in the Marantz is bypassed and the better processors in the Oppo are not messed with in the Marantz ..I like the picture much better this way .. My cable box only has one HDMI output and it goes to Marantz (Cab/Sat) input and then out through a Arc Monitor Output > to the Sony Tv . Now , when ever we are watching TV ( (Cable Box Input 1 on TV), and we switch over to (Blu Ray input 3 on TV) and of course we have to switch to ( Blu Ray) on the Marantz for the sound ..... I start getting " No input device detected " and a black screen on the Sony ... Comes and goes 5 seconds apart as it fires up... then goes out .. The only way I can get the movie to play is to unplug the HDMI from the monitor coming out of the Marantz ... I notice on the new 8802, the 2 monitor outputs are divided between ARC and non Arc ... Whereas mine is both Arc .. Is this Arc screwing with things ? ... I have tried many, many settings trying to stop this... But I'm bushed... Anyone ?
My suggestion would be to reduce complexity by connecting the Oppo HDMI1 output to the 8801, and have a single HDMI connection between the 8801 and the Sony display. You can turn off video processing in the 8801 (as I do) to pass the Oppo signal unaltered to the Sony. I would also turn off ARC--why do you need it? Do you need TV audio into the 8801? I have a separate Toslink cable routing TV audio into the 8801, which I use rarely.

I have tested out a number of different connection scenarios, and I have a Sony display as well. I have never perceived even the smallest of difference in PQ by removing the 8801 from the video signal path. The 8801 has very high quality video components, arguably as good as the Oppo.

HDMI is a picky technology, and keeping things as simple as possible avoids issues that cause us to pull our hair out.
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My suggestion would be to reduce complexity by connecting the Oppo HDMI1 output to the 8801, and have a single HDMI connection between the 8801 and the Sony display. You can turn off video processing in the 8801 (as I do) to pass the Oppo signal unaltered to the Sony. I would also turn off ARC--why do you need it? Do you need TV audio into the 8801? I have a separate Toslink cable routing TV audio into the 8801, which I use rarely.

I have tested out a number of different connection scenarios, and I have a Sony display as well. I have never perceived even the smallest of difference in PQ by removing the 8801 from the video signal path. The 8801 has very high quality video components, arguably as good as the Oppo.

HDMI is a picky technology, and keeping things as simple as possible avoids issues that cause us to pull our hair out.
Ok Thanks Jerry
What steps do I take to make sure the Marantz is shut off as far as video processing .. I know it has something to do with scaling ..I must have something turned on, as a couple nights ago we did as you suggested and we both immediately noticed a flatter, less vivid picture ... almost had a little of a greyish cast to it ..

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What steps do I take to make sure the Marantz is shut off as far as video processing .. I know it has something to do with scaling ..I must have something turned on, as a couple nights ago we did as you suggested and we both immediately noticed a flatter, less vivid picture ... almost had a little of a greyish cast to it ..
In the menu, go to Video/Output Settings, select I/p scaler, and set it to Off. There is another setting, called Video Conversion. If this is set to On, then you will see the AVR controls superimposed on the display, like the volume control indicator. I would leave this on because it is convenient to see the on-screen displays. And the Video Mode setting should be Auto.
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In the menu, go to Video/Output Settings, select I/p scaler, and set it to Off. There is another setting, called Video Conversion. If this is set to On, then you will see the AVR controls superimposed on the display, like the volume control indicator. I would leave this on because it is convenient to see the on-screen displays. And the Video Mode setting should be Auto.

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I've been using the 8801 for less than a month and today I came across my first strange issue. I hooked up my iPod to the front USB input for the first time. It worked properly but I noticed the left speaker was louder than the right. I was using stereo at that time. I then switched to a few different listen modes and eventually back to stereo. Randomly it sounded as it should again. Then a few minutes later the left side was louder again. I switched through different sound modes again and at first it didn't go back to normal. Then out of nowhere it did. I ran out of time to test more but I found it very odd.

Has anyone run across an issue like this? It hasn't happened with any other input so far.
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I've listened to the same album on sacd and the iPod for about an hour tonight. Switching back and forth between them and between the analog/hdmi input of the Oppo 95. The issue I had earlier has not reoccurred. I did move the USB cable to the back of the 8801 but that shouldn't make any difference. Very strange. Maybe it was an anomaly???
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Bumping to see if anyone has come across the issue I posted about above. I am nervous it might be a sign of a future issue.
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Bumping to see if anyone has come across the issue I posted about above. I am nervous it might be a sign of a future issue.

I have not. Did you try different cables in the front? Since it's USB there could be a contact issue in the front.
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Hello all, does anyone know if the subwoofer volume control in the menu (Network input) is independent from all other inputs. Reason being is when I change the volume if the Sub level trim in Network input it does not stay at that level on any other input. When I change the sub trim in any other input it stays the same except for the network input. Any thoughts?
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Hello all, does anyone know if the subwoofer volume control in the menu (Network input) is independent from all other inputs. Reason being is when I change the volume if the Sub level trim in Network input it does not stay at that level on any other input. When I change the sub trim in any other input it stays the same except for the network input. Any thoughts?
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Latest update

I went to my network setting and it had an update available.
I downloaded it about 50 minutes and everything is fine.

I tried to locate what the update was for, but had no luck just frustration at thew marantz site.
Anyone know what the update entailed ?

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Amazon Prime

Is there anyway to get Amazon prime to play thru my 8801?

I have an xbox but that is in another room for my grandchildren, it plays thru that unit.

I have an Oppo Blue Ray and an Apple TV and neither is listed as playing The Amazon Prime.

Is it that all equipment must be affiliated with Amazon to play or is there a peripheral or software that I can get to allow it to play thru the 8801 or the Apple Tv or the Oppo ?

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Is there anyway to get Amazon prime to play thru my 8801?

I have an xbox but that is in another room for my grandchildren, it plays thru that unit.

I have an Oppo Blue Ray and an Apple TV and neither is listed as playing The Amazon Prime.

Is it that all equipment must be affiliated with Amazon to play or is there a peripheral or software that I can get to allow it to play thru the 8801 or the Apple Tv or the Oppo ?

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I recently purchased my 8801 secondhand from an original purchaser. I've noticed two issues. Running Audyssey, the center channel sounded weak in the setup and subsequently required 10db more boost. I am running Martin Logan Cinema i and Aerius i speakers, which per specs have the same sensitivity (89db). The other issue is that I can't get the unit to reset.


The issue with the center I also heard with another center (Paradigm Studio). To say this is frustrating is an understatement. I spoke to the original owner, who said he purchased the unit new and never had a problem. Anyone have an idea of what is going on or how to solve the issues?

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So today I finally got a chance to watch a movie after about 3 weeks of work. As soon as I turned the movie on, I get a terrible output from my speakers. There was a big scene with drums at the start of the movie and my Front speakers sounded like they were 10 watt speakers that were trying to play full range bass. It sounded like you were trying to play bass through a speaker that wasn't designed for it, so it kept buffeting (that's the best way I can describe it). I am not a tinkerer. I am happy to set the system up once and just leave it be, and since last summer, it has just been left alone. No new equipment, sounded and looked great, but now I don't know what to make of this situation. I was listening to the movie in regular DTS-HD/Audyssey but I also tried other modes, like Direct and Pure Direct. It was worst in the "auto" mode. I even turned off my subwoofer hoping that maybe it was producing so much bass that it was causing this issue, but turning it off didn't change anything. Now i'm at a loss. Have any of you experienced this type of issue?
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So today I finally got a chance to watch a movie after about 3 weeks of work. As soon as I turned the movie on, I get a terrible output from my speakers. There was a big scene with drums at the start of the movie and my Front speakers sounded like they were 10 watt speakers that were trying to play full range bass. It sounded like you were trying to play bass through a speaker that wasn't designed for it, so it kept buffeting (that's the best way I can describe it). I am not a tinkerer. I am happy to set the system up once and just leave it be, and since last summer, it has just been left alone. No new equipment, sounded and looked great, but now I don't know what to make of this situation. I was listening to the movie in regular DTS-HD/Audyssey but I also tried other modes, like Direct and Pure Direct. It was worst in the "auto" mode. I even turned off my subwoofer hoping that maybe it was producing so much bass that it was causing this issue, but turning it off didn't change anything. Now i'm at a loss. Have any of you experienced this type of issue?
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i am having an issue wile watching oblivion. when jack circles around the football stadium and comes in for a landing it sounds amazing ,till the amp goes into protection and than no sound. volume at 75. also it randomly goes into protection even under low volume. i disconnected the amp and plugged it all into my mm9000, typicality if i push that amp to hard i will see red dots on whatever channel is clipping and i just lower it. but this time no clipping amp was on but the sound cut out, this is getting very annoying.at that volume i would be very happy with it without it shutting down. i never had any problems when i had the sunfire tg3 in the chain if i seen red lights i would lower it a little. im wondering if its the 8801. i recently moved my equipment rack, to make room for 110'' screen , speaker cable got changed mit bi4 10' long to 25' canare 14gage 4 with sewell banana plugs. speakers are studio 60s cc450 adp450. bluray is oppo 103d. any suggestions would be appreciated.
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i am having an issue wile watching oblivion. when jack circles around the football stadium and comes in for a landing it sounds amazing ,till the amp goes into protection and than no sound. volume at 75. also it randomly goes into protection even under low volume. i disconnected the amp and plugged it all into my mm9000, typicality if i push that amp to hard i will see red dots on whatever channel is clipping and i just lower it. but this time no clipping amp was on but the sound cut out, this is getting very annoying.at that volume i would be very happy with it without it shutting down. i never had any problems when i had the sunfire tg3 in the chain if i seen red lights i would lower it a little. im wondering if its the 8801. i recently moved my equipment rack, to make room for 110'' screen , speaker cable got changed mit bi4 10' long to 25' canare 14gage 4 with sewell banana plugs. speakers are studio 60s cc450 adp450. bluray is oppo 103d. any suggestions would be appreciated.
Since you know the only changes where the ones you mentioned I would go back over everything and ensure all connections are tight and correct! Also look for pinched wire ,loose rca's etc.etc..
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Since you know the only changes where the ones you mentioned I would go back over everything and ensure all connections are tight and correct! Also look for pinched wire ,loose rca's etc.etc..
i lowered the gain on each channel on the mm9000,seemes ok for now, going to take the mm8077 in for service because the amp shuts down once in a wile even at low volumes. i think if it was something in the wiring it would happen all the time.
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No. My point is that Dirac Live is such an improvement over Audyssey that adding the 88A is a more cost-effective upgrade. Better room correction trumps better pre-amps, DAC's, etc. this is my own opinion, of course.

I think upgrading to the 8802 and also adding Dirac Live would potentially provide an even better solution. I have considered this myself, but the fact that the 8802 has dropped Dolby PLII in favor of DSU has held me back. I listen to all two-channel music using PLII.
In order to get my sub to assist properly the 2 three way speakers in front, is PLII the way to do it
Stereo does not seem to pass the lower frequencies to the sub

Also does the Dirac also help the 2 channel music as well as its role for 5.1 for movies

Thank you for your help
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In order to get my sub to assist properly the 2 three way speakers in front, is PLII the way to do it
Stereo does not seem to pass the lower frequencies to the sub

Also does the Dirac also help the 2 channel music as well as its role for 5.1 for movies

Thank you for your help
Playing two-channel music using the Stereo mode should result in a signal to the subwoofer. Check the speaker configuration. Your left and right speakers must be configured as "small" and you must establish an appropriate crossover (try 80Hz) in order for bass management to send the frequencies below the crossover point to the sub.

The improvement I see with Dirac Live applies to all formats, 2-channel music as well as multi-channel sources.
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Playing two-channel music using the Stereo mode should result in a signal to the subwoofer. Check the speaker configuration. Your left and right speakers must be configured as "small" and you must establish an appropriate crossover (try 80Hz) in order for bass management to send the frequencies below the crossover point to the sub.

The improvement I see with Dirac Live applies to all formats, 2-channel music as well as multi-channel sources.
Thanks for your response
Since much of my music is now 192khz/24bit and DSD files
Having read about the Dirac 48khz limit, getting it might not help
Briefly since getting the 8801. I've not been been happy with the sound
My power amp is a Nad M25
I was getting better sound from my previous Denom 4308 CI
(Disabling internal amps)
Thinking of buying the Audyssey pro kit since my 8801 does not have pro activated
Any comments would be appreciated

Thanks

NB is there a manual somewhere on configuring the 8801 more helpful than the owner's manual ?

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Thanks for your response
Since much of my music is now 192khz/24bit and DSD files
Having read about the Dirac 48khz limit, getting it might not help
Briefly since getting the 8801. I've not been been happy with the sound
My power amp is a Nad M25
I was getting better sound from my previous Denom 4308 CI
(Disabling internal amps)
Thinking of buying the Audyssey pro kit since my 8801 does not have pro activated
Any comments would be appreciated

Thanks

NB is there a manual somewhere on configuring the 8801 more helpful than the owner's manual ?
As a long-time Audyssey Pro user I can tell you that it will not make you any happier with your sound. Save the $700 that a Pro kit an d license will cost.

If you are using Audyssey, you have already down-res'ed your music to 48KHz sampling. Based on my experience, the advantages of using room correction far outweigh the disadvantages of limiting the output to 48KHz sampling. And the Audyssey XT32 is significantly better than the Audyssey XT in the 4308 (I speak from experience, because I owned a 4308).

So, not sure why you are unhappy, but my recommendation would be to use Audyssey. And if you can get over the 48KHz thing, the MiniDSP 88A with Dirac Live is a nice enhancement, and money better spent than buying the Pro kit.
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Agree With Jerry, the miniDSP 88A is a great tool for squeezing out the last juice og Your Investment, sure i have been using Audyssey on my 8801 but going to Dirac is just not comparable and a great step up in the improvement in sound. Its just more detail and a more relaxed presentation of the overall scene.





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As a long-time Audyssey Pro user I can tell you that it will not make you any happier with your sound. Save the $700 that a Pro kit an d license will cost.

If you are using Audyssey, you have already down-res'ed your music to 48KHz sampling. Based on my experience, the advantages of using room correction far outweigh the disadvantages of limiting the output to 48KHz sampling. And the Audyssey XT32 is significantly better than the Audyssey XT in the 4308 (I speak from experience, because I owned a 4308).

So, not sure why you are unhappy, but my recommendation would be to use Audyssey. And if you can get over the 48KHz thing, the MiniDSP 88A with Dirac Live is a nice enhancement, and money better spent than buying the Pro kit.
Thanks again for the help; I think I'll take your suggestion and get the 88a
Is there a far as you know a telephone consultant (paid of course)
Who can help me configure this
I had a hell of a time configuring my velodyne plus 10 subwoofer using a similar computer and mic based setup
Making the connections is no problem. I'm a computer guy. But understanding the sound curves and what they mean is quite another issue
I looked at the 88a manual and am very confident I can connect everything right and run the software
But understanding the sound curves is probably quite beyond me. I know there is probably an auto optimize mode but it would be nice to understand what I'm seeing
And when you work blindly you don't always get good results

Thanks again
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Thanks again for the help; I think I'll take your suggestion and get the 88a
Is there a far as you know a telephone consultant (paid of course)
Who can help me configure this
I had a hell of a time configuring my velodyne plus 10 subwoofer using a similar computer and mic based setup
Making the connections is no problem. I'm a computer guy. But understanding the sound curves and what they mean is quite another issue
I looked at the 88a manual and am very confident I can connect everything right and run the software
But understanding the sound curves is probably quite beyond me. I know there is probably an auto optimize mode but it would be nice to understand what I'm seeing
And when you work blindly you don't always get good results

Thanks again
I think you will be pleased with your decision. Things working in your favor:

- The 88a user guide is one of the best I have seen.
- MiniDSP support is very responsive, and their forum has a lot of good information.
- The Dirac Live software is simple to use, and includes an "Auto Target" capability that produces excellent results. No need to delve into custom target curve editing until you are ready.
- The 88a thread here on AVS has a wealth of information, and some very helpful participants. Make sure you check out the first couple of posts where SteveTing99 has summarized a lot of useful information.

Good luck!
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If I want my two front Main speakers to be calibrated separately... is it as simple as clicking on that Combo Link until it goes away? I can't believe it's that easy...

My next step is to try custom targets.....but that looks very difficult to do. I am sure your instructions will lead me down the right path...

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If I want my two front Main speakers to be calibrated separately... is it as simple as clicking on that Combo Link until it goes away? I can't believe it's that easy...

My next step is to try custom targets.....but that looks very difficult to do. I am sure your instructions will lead me down the right path...

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What you want to do is called "Ungrouping". To ungroup the left and right speakers, select the group and then double-click on the little chain icon. Then you can then apply different target curves to both the left and right speaker.
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Question in regards to zone 2 on my 8801.

I currently have it set up in my living room with a 5.1 configuration using the main ( zone 1)via HDMI from HTPC.

The wife and I are talking about adding outdoor speakers 4 of them to be precise. With spring around the corner it would be awesome to have music on the deck.

We have our HTPC connected in the living room to stream spotify all the time. Would zone 2 allow us to play the same music that were playing in the living room?

If not what can I do/what do others do with the zone 2 and 3 outputs ?

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