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Hello guys just checking but I got a firmware update today any idea why that would have happened? I don't remember the last time I checked but I doubt it was a year and half ago. Thanks in advance
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Wish they had an upgrade so we can play DSD files through the USB-A ports. I asked them and they said that wasn't going to happen. Rats...

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Wish they had an upgrade so we can play DSD files through the USB-A ports. I asked them and they said that wasn't going to happen. Rats...
Because it's featured on the successor model, AV8802A.

Have you tried using another source to play the USB file (eg. Oppo)? Or depending on how many DSD files you have, you could also convert them to a file format the AV8801 can accept (eg. WAV, FLAC, etc.).

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Because it's featured on the successor model, AV8802A.

Have you tried using another source to play the USB file (eg. Oppo)? Or depending on how many DSD files you have, you could also convert them to a file format the AV8801 can accept (eg. WAV, FLAC, etc.).
I understand it's on the 8802A, but so is ATMOS, etc. and that's not that important to me. I just want to play a music file...

My Oppo is an old BDP-95. Same deal, no DSD support for USB. Came out in the 103 and up models. Perhaps if I buy a 205 I'll be happy, but Oppo's interface is crap in the BDP-95 vs. Marantz's. Hopefully they improved that.

I'll probably just get the Auralic Altair instead. Hard to think that physical media will be around much longer so may as well skip the 205 and use the money to fund my streamer/dac.

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Does anyone know which 4K formats are supported (if any) on the 8801?

Just got a 65B6P and wired everything direct but one item that's not 4K so it probably won't matter but just curious.
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Does anyone know which 4K formats are supported (if any) on the 8801?

Just got a 65B6P and wired everything direct but one item that's not 4K so it probably won't matter but just curious.
If the 4k is HDCP 2.2 encrypted (of which all is AFAIK), then it won't pass through the AV8801 without using a 3rd party device like the HD Fury Integral.
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Greetings everyone!! I'm soon to be the proud owner of an 8801 and have a couple questions. (Forgive me if they've already been answered elsewhere in this monster thread!)

1. With my current (non-HDMI) setup, sometimes I like to play video from one source and audio from another. Can the 8801 do this? i.e. if I select a video source, then an audio-only source, will the Marantz keep sending that video source to my teevee? (I know the 7005 did this.) Or does the signal coming from the HDMI out just, go blank or something?

(Note that I need to minimize cabling in my current furniture arrangement, so running extra component video cabling, for example, if not a great option.)

2. I only have a 2-channel setup. Not even a subwoofer. (Though the amp and speakers I'm using are more than capable of full-range production on their own). Anybody else have just a stereo setup and any thoughts on this w/ the 8801? Tips, tricks, experiences?

Thanks everyone!!!

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Greetings everyone!! I'm soon to be the proud owner of an 8801 and have a couple questions. (Forgive me if they've already been answered elsewhere in this monster thread!)

1. With my current (non-HDMI) setup, sometimes I like to play video from one source and audio from another. Can the 8801 do this? i.e. if I select a video source, then an audio-only source, will the Marantz keep sending that video source to my teevee? (I know the 7005 did this.) Or does the signal coming from the HDMI out just, go blank or something?

(Note that I need to minimize cabling in my current furniture arrangement, so running extra component video cabling, for example, if not a great option.)

2. I only have a 2-channel setup. Not even a subwoofer. (Though the amp and speakers I'm using are more than capable of full-range production on their own). Anybody else have just a stereo setup and any thoughts on this w/ the 8801? Tips, tricks, experiences?

Thanks everyone!!!
1. Same feature as is on the SR7005. With the audio from a non-HDMI source playing, you can use the Video Select setting to select an HDMI video source.
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Hey all. I'm running an AV7005 currently. My space really doesn't lend itself well to Atmos due to low ceilings. So for a while I'm going to be staying with 7.2. Maybe 9.2 with front heights/wides.

So having said that I'm looking for the best quality audio signal for under 1200$. I'm looking into a factory refirb 8801. Japanese model (I understand these are better than later made Chinese models). Would you owners recommend this given my criteria and situation or perhaps I should look into a 7702 MK1? I don't need HDCP 2.2 switching. I run straight out of my 4K Samsung 8500 to the projector for video feed.

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Hey all. I'm running an AV7005 currently. My space really doesn't lend itself well to Atmos due to low ceilings. So for a while I'm going to be staying with 7.2. Maybe 9.2 with front heights/wides.

So having said that I'm looking for the best quality audio signal for under 1200$. I'm looking into a factory refirb 8801. Japanese model (I understand these are better than later made Chinese models). Would you owners recommend this given my criteria and situation or perhaps I should look into a 7702 MK1? I don't need HDCP 2.2 switching. I run straight out of my 4K Samsung 8500 to the projector for video feed.

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You would be better served going with a newer AV7702 or AV7702MKII both of which use the upgraded HDAM pre-amps.
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You would be better served going with a newer AV7702 or AV7702MKII both of which use the upgraded HDAM pre-amps.


Thanks. Good advice I think.


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new owner of Marantz 8801 today bought from a fellow avs forum member , will you consider it an upgrade to my current Denon AVR-5308CI especially to 2 channel audio listening , its my first attempt for separates .
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** HELP **

Gonna try posting here first before starting a new thread for support on this issue.

Own the AV8801, and have Monitor 1 hooked up to my 60" and Monitor 2 hooked up to a projector, with Video Output set to Auto (dual). Worked perfectly for years. All of a sudden I turn on my 60" and black screen, irrelevant of video source. Change Video Output to Monitor 1 only, video works, go back to dual, black screen. Reset HDMI on both ends of Monitor 2, still nothing. If Monitor 2 HDMI pulled while in dual output, video appears on Monitor 1, once HDMI jacked into Monitor 2, video lost on Monitor 1. For the fun of it, to eliminate issues with projector and cabling, hook working 60" up to Monitor 2, black screen. Then hook projector up to working Monitor 1, video works fine on projector.

So conclusion is that Monitor 2 HDMI board shot. What is even more troubling, I never use Monitor 4 HDMI output, but decided to try it, move the projector over to it. Turned on Zone 4,, selected an input, black screen. Wtf ???

Could someone explain to me how 2 HDMI boards could just go like that for Monitor 2 & 4, but Monitor 1 is still working ??? And why a fault on Monitor 2 would affect Monitor 1 (black screen) when in dual output mode ?

Thanks (and going mad here),
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p.s. Have already done a hard reset/reboot (buttons 1&2 and 3&4 with power) and same issue.
p.p.s Can I order and change the faulty HDMI board myself (plug & play no soldering involved )
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** HELP **

Gonna try posting here first before starting a new thread for support on this issue.

Own the AV8801, and have Monitor 1 hooked up to my 60" and Monitor 2 hooked up to a projector, with Video Output set to Auto (dual). Worked perfectly for years. All of a sudden I turn on my 60" and black screen, irrelevant of video source. Change Video Output to Monitor 1 only, video works, go back to dual, black screen. Reset HDMI on both ends of Monitor 2, still nothing. If Monitor 2 HDMI pulled while in dual output, video appears on Monitor 1, once HDMI jacked into Monitor 2, video lost on Monitor 1. For the fun of it, to eliminate issues with projector and cabling, hook working 60" up to Monitor 2, black screen. Then hook projector up to working Monitor 1, video works fine on projector.

So conclusion is that Monitor 2 HDMI board shot. What is even more troubling, I never use Monitor 4 HDMI output, but decided to try it, move the projector over to it. Turned on Zone 4,, selected an input, black screen. Wtf ???

Could someone explain to me how 2 HDMI boards could just go like that for Monitor 2 & 4, but Monitor 1 is still working ??? And why a fault on Monitor 2 would affect Monitor 1 (black screen) when in dual output mode ?

Thanks (and going mad here),
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p.s. Have already done a hard reset/reboot (buttons 1&2 and 3&4 with power) and same issue.
p.p.s Can I order and change the faulty HDMI board myself (plug & play no soldering involved )

This could just be an HDMI handshake issue rather than a defective HDMI board. Try powering off and unplugging the power cords to both displays, AVR, and source devices for 10 minutes. Then power on the components in the following order: Monitor 1, pause 5 seconds, Monitor 2 pause 5 seconds, AVR pause 5 seconds, source device.
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This could just be an HDMI handshake issue rather than a defective HDMI board. Try powering off and unplugging the power cords to both displays, AVR, and source devices for 10 minutes. Then power on the components in the following order: Monitor 1, pause 5 seconds, Monitor 2 pause 5 seconds, AVR pause 5 seconds, source device.
Thank you for your reply, and I wish it were that simple, but it's not the case, a simple power cycle to re-handshake everything does not work, already tried it (including yanking HDMI cables too). Even if I were to remove the projector from the mix, and hook up my 60" to Monitor 2, and set the video output on the 8801 to Monitor 2 only, I get nothing on that output (and strangely same for Monitor 4/Zone 4 output too). And, if I stick the projector on Monitor 1 output (and set video output to Monitor 1 on the 8801), it works fine, confirming that there is something wrong with Monitor 2 output.

What I find strange is that if a connection is made on the faulty Monitor 2, it blacks out Monitor 1 (if 8801 is set to dual). I literally have to unplug the connection on Monitor 2 to get the Monitor 1 output to work.

It is a lot of work to pull the 8801 from my rack, disconnecting the tons of cabling too, so was hoping someone on this forum already poked around inside the unit, to tell me if the HDMI boards are card based and simply plug&play, and if Monitor 2 (and possibly 4) are separate boards, independent of the main Monitor 1. I am guessing that it is all one big expensive board.

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So after several in-depth checks, to ensure that there was no HDMI handshake issue, the Monitor 2 parallel output is officially dead. I researched the PCB HDMI boards, both online and with Marantz, and it looks like it is 1 PCB that houses all the inputs, outputs, and in some cases, even the digital audio connections. I called Marantz and got the model # for the HDMI PCB, in case anyone else is curious

HDMI PCB: 8U-310116D

Cost is $250 in Canada.

Marantz did tell me that they also sell components to replace parts on the HDMI PCB, and that an authorized dealer would be able to determine if individual parts can be used or if the whole board needs swapping. My quick conclusion is that by the time I waste manhours with a repair center, I might as well just order the board and swap it out myself, assuming that it is plug&play with a couple of ribbon cables.

I know someone will come along and say, hey, why don't you just get an HDMI splitter off of Monitor 1, to cover a 2nd signal to the projector, and problem solved. True, but I am a stickler for things working properly and while I might go that route now, I will want to repair the Monitor 2 out somewhere along the way for resale purposes.

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I don't know if the 8801 HDMI board runs hot or not but that could be the reason it failed. I use a 120mm fan on the top set up to exhaust air on my 8801. I've done that with my prior Onkyo processors as well because they were notorious for running hot and failing. When I installed the 8801 I didn't bother to check to see if it ran hot. I just installed the fan like I always have done. It made a huge difference on the Onkyo processors. Without the fan the Onkyo's were warm/hot to the touch. With the fan installed they all ran very cool and I never had a HDMI failure.
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I don't know if the 8801 HDMI board runs hot or not but that could be the reason it failed. I use a 120mm fan on the top set up to exhaust air on my 8801. I've done that with my prior Onkyo processors as well because they were notorious for running hot and failing. When I installed the 8801 I didn't bother to check to see if it ran hot. I just installed the fan like I always have done. It made a huge difference on the Onkyo processors. Without the fan the Onkyo's were warm/hot to the touch. With the fan installed they all ran very cool and I never had a HDMI failure.
I don't think it is that hot, but it is close to the top of my rack, with a power conditioner right on top of it. Are you using the fan to PULL hot air out of it and vent it, or are you PUSHing cooler air into it. Either way, what I find odd is that it is not a complete HDMI board failure, as all of the inputs work, and Monitor 1 output still works, it is only Monitor 2, and when I went to try to get Monitor 4 / Zone 4 working that did not come on as well. So very specific issues, and even after resetting on an HDMI level as well as reboot, still nothing.

Marantz did say that they sell board components to authorized repair centers that can pinpoint the issue to specific parts on the board, but by the time you factor in manhours to find the issue (out of warranty), then it might just be easier to order and swap out the whole board yourself, which is what I might do down the road.

For now, until I feel I need to sell it (which will be a while), I will probably just go out and purchase an HDMI splitter and use it off of Monitor 1 to feed the 60" and projector at the same time.
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Might as well give my two cents on fans.

In both industrial environments and for home PC's, I've found the best results are obtained by blowing cooling air into a component with a filter mounted before the fan. This setup causes air to escape wherever it can from the case/cabinet and keeps the inside of the equipment clean. Clean (not dusty) equipment transfers heat more efficiently to the air. The air entering the case is clean and controlled; not entering via every crack and often from unanticipated locations. If more air flow is required then sizing the exhaust and intake fans such that a positive pressure is maintained in the case/cabinet is desirable. Air blowing into a case also usually causes more air turbulence in the case which increases heat transfer with items in the case.

I recently updated the video card in my PC and gave the old card to a friend. He opened up his desktop Dell computer and it was filthy inside. He looked at the card I was giving him and asked if it was new. It was a good question. The card has been in service for a year. I hadn't cleaned the video card and yet was it perfectly clean and looked new. All the more interesting because he (and his wife) is the Felix and I'm the Oscar.
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Might as well give my two cents on fans.

In both industrial environments and for home PC's, I've found the best results are obtained by blowing cooling air into a component with a filter mounted before the fan. This setup causes air to escape wherever it can from the case/cabinet and keeps the inside of the equipment clean. Clean (not dusty) equipment transfers heat more efficiently to the air. The air entering the case is clean and controlled; not entering via every crack and often from unanticipated locations. If more air flow is required then sizing the exhaust and intake fans such that a positive pressure is maintained in the case/cabinet is desirable. Air blowing into a case also usually causes more air turbulence in the case which increases heat transfer with items in the case.

I recently updated the video card in my PC and gave the old card to a friend. He opened up his desktop Dell computer and it was filthy inside. He looked at the card I was giving him and asked if it was new. It was a good question. The card has been in service for a year. I hadn't cleaned the video card and yet was it perfectly clean and looked new. All the more interesting because he (and his wife) is the Felix and I'm the Oscar.
I have been building custom PCs for years and I agree with you. I will say though that I have been using a slow 120mm fan set up as exhaust over the HDMI board on all my processors for years and dust has never been an issue. Most people leave there computers on 24 hours a day so dust can build up quickly if the intakes aren't filtered. Most people don't leave there processors on all day long. Also, if dust does become an issue remove the top cover and blowing the dust out is easy enough to do.

Either way will work of course it is just a matter of preference. I do think using a quiet fan is a great way of helping your processor run cool.
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If the 4k is HDCP 2.2 encrypted (of which all is AFAIK), then it won't pass through the AV8801 without using a 3rd party device like the HD Fury Integral.
I just purchased the LG OLED65E6P and I thought the av8801 wassupposed to pass 4k UHD over HDMI. What has changed? Can I at least connect audio over HDMI to the from the TV to the av8801 without having to resort to toslink? Thanks.

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I just purchased the LG OLED65E6P and I thought the av8801 wassupposed to pass 4k UHD over HDMI. What has changed? Can I at least connect audio over HDMI to the from the TV to the av8801 without having to resort to toslink? Thanks.
4k - yes, 4k/HDCP 2.2 - no as only 2015 and newer D+M models can pass 4k/HDCP 2.2

Using a dual HDMI 4k BDP, connect one HDMI(video) --> TV and one HDMI (audio) ---> AV8801. Otherwise, you can also use HDMI(ARC) to pass the audio from the TV --> AV8801, although likely only stereo audio from an external source connected to the TV (check the LG Owner's manual to confirm).
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4k - yes, 4k/HDCP 2.2 - no as only 2015 and newer D+M models can pass 4k/HDCP 2.2

Using a dual HDMI 4k BDP, connect one HDMI(video) --> TV and one HDMI (audio) ---> AV8801. Otherwise, you can also use HDMI(ARC) to pass the audio from the TV --> AV8801, although likely only stereo audio from an external source connected to the TV (check the LG Owner's manual to confirm).
Wait a minute..what? Whats a dual HDMI 4k BDP? I just bought a used 8801 specifically to have the 4k ability. How do I know what manufacture date my 8801 has and weather or not it will/can do it? So are you saying I cannot use 4k sources and a 4kTV and expect passthrough 4k video and full audio on a standard high speed HDMI connection?
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Wait a minute..what? Whats a dual HDMI 4k BDP? I just bought a used 8801 specifically to have the 4k ability. How do I know what manufacture date my 8801 has and weather or not it will/can do it? So are you saying I cannot use 4k sources and a 4kTV and expect passthrough 4k video and full audio on a standard high speed HDMI connection?
Correct, you cannot pass 4k/UHD video through the AV8801. The current 4k/UHD Blu Ray players that have been released all have two HDMI outputs which are capable of being used with older non-4k/HDPC 2.2 models like the 2012 AV8801. One HDMI is used to pass the 4k video to the TV and the other HDMI is used to pass HD Audio to the non-HDCP 2.2 AVR/AVP.
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Correct, you cannot pass 4k/UHD video through the AV8801. The current 4k/UHD Blu Ray players that have been released all have two HDMI outputs which are capable of being used with older non-4k/HDPC 2.2 models like the 2012 AV8801. One HDMI is used to pass the 4k video to the TV and the other HDMI is used to pass HD Audio to the non-HDCP 2.2 AVR/AVP.
Here is an excerpt from the front page specifications for the Marantz 8801, taken directly from the Marantz web page at: (they wouldn't let me post the link, but it's from the Marantz-USA site)

The video section features advanced high resolution video processing and decoding, and is equipped with video upscaling that upconverts standard definition (SD) video sources from legacy components to high definition. For compatibility with the latest Ultra High Definition (4K) displays, the AV8801 features the ability to upconvert SD and HD to Ultra High Definition (4K), and it can also accept and pass-through 4K content.

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Here is an excerpt from the front page specifications for the Marantz 8801, taken directly from the Marantz web page at: (they wouldn't let me post the link, but it's from the Marantz-USA site)

The video section features advanced high resolution video processing and decoding, and is equipped with video upscaling that upconverts standard definition (SD) video sources from legacy components to high definition. For compatibility with the latest Ultra High Definition (4K) displays, the AV8801 features the ability to upconvert SD and HD to Ultra High Definition (4K), and it can also accept and pass-through 4K content.

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The AV8801 was released before the HDCP standard was changed to 2.2 which is now required for an AVR/AVP to pass 4k/UHD video.
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Here is an excerpt from the front page specifications for the Marantz 8801, taken directly from the Marantz web page at: (they wouldn't let me post the link, but it's from the Marantz-USA site)

The video section features advanced high resolution video processing and decoding, and is equipped with video upscaling that upconverts standard definition (SD) video sources from legacy components to high definition. For compatibility with the latest Ultra High Definition (4K) displays, the AV8801 features the ability to upconvert SD and HD to Ultra High Definition (4K), and it can also accept and pass-through 4K content.

Am I to sue Marantz for false advertising? Where does your information come from?
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I just did some reading..first I'd heard about HDPC 2.2. Makes me angry. So much for buying a 4k TV. When will this stupid industry stop shooting itself in the foot?
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I just did some reading..first I'd heard about HDPC 2.2. Makes me angry. So much for buying a 4k TV. When will this stupid industry stop shooting itself in the foot?
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Lately that has been optomistic. 1 to 2 years.

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Lately that has been optomistic. 1 to 2 years.

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