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guys, I was seriously considering a Theta with 2 Extreme Dacs. I just got rid of a Datasat RS20i. Prior to that, I had the Marantz 7005 paired with the exact same setup as the RS20. Honestly, not too much difference in sound quality - yes, the DSat was a bit more liquid or "black," but for the kind of money, it wasn't worth the overall cost. I decided against the Theta today as there's just so much diminishing returns in the high-end audio products. I swear it's a placebo effect. I've got a funky room, so only other consideration is the D2V as ARC may correct my room, but not sure how much better it "could" be than 32XT. I wasn't going to write about my impressions of the RS20, it's nice, but you get 90% of the sound quality (for HT) out of the Marantz. I decided to order the 8801 today. Will be interesting if it gives me that same sense of "liquidity" and incredibly low noise floor the Dsat provided.
Are you guys using Roomie Remote with iOS to control this thing? If you guys are, what else do I need to run this through my iphone?
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Curious if anyone can answer this. What's being reprocessed to the height speakers? I read somewhere (maybe on this thread) the the heights can be placed overhead on the ceiling as a "better" option for good effect. However, if the heights are designed, in part to enhance dialogue, mounting speakers on the ceiling wouldn't make much sense. I use an LCR behind the screen which does not excellent job so enhancement from heights for dialogue placement is not needed.
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What happens when you set the BD player to output PCM? Do you get straight 5.1 that the 8801 can play as 5.1? If so, could just leave the BD player like that.
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guys, I was seriously considering a Theta with 2 Extreme Dacs. I just got rid of a Datasat RS20i. Prior to that, I had the Marantz 7005 paired with the exact same setup as the RS20. Honestly, not too much difference in sound quality - yes, the DSat was a bit more liquid or "black," but for the kind of money, it wasn't worth the overall cost. I decided against the Theta today as there's just so much diminishing returns in the high-end audio products. I swear it's a placebo effect. I've got a funky room, so only other consideration is the D2V as ARC may correct my room, but not sure how much better it "could" be than 32XT. I wasn't going to write about my impressions of the RS20, it's nice, but you get 90% of the sound quality (for HT) out of the Marantz. I decided to order the 8801 today. Will be interesting if it gives me that same sense of "liquidity" and incredibly low noise floor the Dsat provided.
Are you guys using Roomie Remote with iOS to control this thing? If you guys are, what else do I need to run this through my iphone?
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I use the Marantz app on my Android and I’d say it works okay/ish. I’ve not used any of the other apps to control it or any other processor so I don’t really have a baseline to work off of or compare it to (I’m coming from an AV-8003).

With my phone, moto droid X, it seems slow to respond (the app) and I have to hit things twice to get them to register with the app/unit. I do like that you can edit the bottom of the home page to have just the inputs and features that you use. I’ve got the cursor and dialog enhancer on it but I have to have my TV on to use the cursor. In all fairness, though, I have to hit buttons twice on the 8801 remote or my Harmony One to get them to register when controlling my ipod or passport drive. My phone could be part of the problem with the above but I don’t have another phone to compare it with at the moment.

The biggest thing for me with it is that I can use itunes to manage my music (apple lossless) and then control either my 160 gb ipod or 500 gb passport drive from my phone. That I like.
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Tony,

I have been curious on this as well. You have the Dolby height implementation IIZ, Audyssey DSX and DTS NEOX. I have found the most information on the Audyssey website. DTS and Audyssey seem to agree more on positioning and priority of Wides before Height. Audyssey indicates Height channels properly implemented contribute more to sense of depth.

I anticipate the 8801 arriving tomorrow. I have spare speakers, but too large to mount for Height channels. I will probably order a couple smaller speakers to try--thinking of the new Pioneer BS22 L-R or possibly Paradigm MilleniaOne. The Pioneers are not very expensive, so reasonable to try. I have a couple spare channels on an amp in place I can use to try.

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Does the Marantz pass 23.976 and 59.94 fps with out altering it to 24 and 60 fps? I currently own the Onkyo 818 and it has the same HQV chip as the Marantz and its altering the signal, I have opened a ticket with Onkyo and I'm currently looking at other alternatives. One just needs to put a video processor in the chain and look at what the VP is reporting. Thanks

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Does the Marantz pass 23.976 and 59.94 fps with out altering it to 24 and 60 fps? I currently own the Onkyo 818 and it has the same HQV chip as the Marantz and its altering the signal, I have opened a ticket with Onkyo and I'm currently looking at other alternatives. One just needs to put a video processor in the chain and look at what the VP is reporting. Thanks

I thought the Marantz has bypass for video so it shouldn't alter anything but maybe someone needs to confirm that.
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The 8801 is really much better then the 80.3? How would you compare the sound of the 8801 to the 80.3? I know you said it sounds more spacious and makes your room seem larger, but is it a more refined sound? More upfront? Better clarity and detail? I have an 80.3 matched with Seaton Cat 12C's for LCR. Is it worth selling off the 80.3 and picking up a 8801? Before I had the Integra, I had a Marantz SR7500 and loved it matched up with some Paradigm Monitor speakers.

I am going from my 80.2 with Cat 12's to the AV8801. I will let you know if I hear any difference. If I can get placebo out of my head maybe I can make a meaningful comparison.
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Is there a definitive diagram and a clear diagram of where to postion height and wide speaker configs. The wides seem to be placed somwhere between the fronts and side speakes and can be mounted on speaker stands at what appears tombe the same height as the sides...maybe a little lower. But the height speakers i have seen diagrams of have these speakers placed in the corner of the room above the left and right speakers....and i have seen pics with these placed on or in the ceiling.....so what the hell......
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I am going from my 80.2 with Cat 12's to the AV8801. I will let you know if I hear any difference. If I can get placebo out of my head maybe I can make a meaningful comparison.

Awesome! Definitely post your findings, I'm looking forward to it! You know when your getting your AV8801?
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I thought the Marantz has bypass for video so it shouldn't alter anything but maybe someone needs to confirm that.


If you use the bypass then u will lose the benefits of the VP, like 720p-1080p 18080i-18080p. I can use the sub hdmi out on the Onkyo which will pass the signal as is but I lose all the other benefits. Pass thru is fine for bluray but not for 480i, 720p, or 1080i material.

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Hi all,

I have read the manual and searched this thread, but I think this will have to be answered by someone who has the actual processor in their hands. smile.gif

The scenario:

- I have an Oppo BDP-80 configured with "source direct" video output. E.g., a 1080p60 source is sent to the processor as 1080p60, 1080p50 as 1080p50, and 1080p24 as 1080p24.
- My display will natively accept 60/50/24p input.

The questions:

- Can the AV8801 be configured to pass the native video framerate through to the PJ without completely disabling the scaler/VP?
- If so, can it be further configured so that a 480i30 signal on the same input is scaled to 1080p60? (But yet a 1080p24 signal is not converted to 1080p60?)

You can probably see what I'm getting at. If you connects a single universal transport to the processor, and play a wide variety of source formats, can you achieve the most "appropriate" output option automatically? Or will there be lots of button pushing during the movie watching experience, in order to adjust output frame rates and whatnot?

P.S. I believe there is some overlap between my question and the recent 23.976/59.94 question from Mike Butny.

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If you use the bypass then u will lose the benefits of the VP, like 720p-1080p 18080i-18080p. I can use the sub hdmi out on the Onkyo which will pass the signal as is but I lose all the other benefits. Pass thru is fine for bluray but not for 480i, 720p, or 1080i material.

That's if you consider that a benefit. smile.gif I really prefer my video untouched and handled by either a Lumagen or the projector itself as a source direct signal.
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Does the Marantz pass 23.976 and 59.94 fps with out altering it to 24 and 60 fps? I currently own the Onkyo 818 and it has the same HQV chip as the Marantz and its altering the signal, I have opened a ticket with Onkyo and I'm currently looking at other alternatives. One just needs to put a video processor in the chain and look at what the VP is reporting. Thanks
I did not see any spec on the video processor being HQV. I assumed it would be the same as Denon's new high end units which have the new Analog Devices AV8002 or AV8003. Can anyone confirm what video processor is being used? Thanks. CT
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Awesome! Definitely post your findings, I'm looking forward to it! You know when your getting your AV8801?

Supposed to be delivered by Fedex tomorrow.

I am actually not expecting much of a sound quality change, so hopefully if I hear one its real smile.gif.
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I did not see any spec on the video processor being HQV. I assumed it would be the same as Denon's new high end units which have the new Analog Devices AV8002 or AV8003. Can anyone confirm what video processor is being used? Thanks. CT

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Curious if anyone can answer this. What's being reprocessed to the height speakers? I read somewhere (maybe on this thread) the the heights can be placed overhead on the ceiling as a "better" option for good effect. However, if the heights are designed, in part to enhance dialogue, mounting speakers on the ceiling wouldn't make much sense. I use an LCR behind the screen which does not excellent job so enhancement from heights for dialogue placement is not needed.
For IIz the heights are derived from the surrounds to my understanding, not the front soundstage. For others I am not sure.

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Thanks, that's what I thought. CT
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Does it have Prologic IIx? I only saw IIz listed. IIx is the one that makes 7.1 out of stereo or 5.1, right?
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Finally got may baby in! All I can say is WOW!. The AV8801 has complete changed the way movies sound in my home. My AVR4310ci was great but not amazing! The sound is so clear and warm. Sorry that I am not a very technical and cant explain the reasoning behind the change in sound.Even my wife and father were in complete awe of how my system sounds. Both of them have seen me go through three different receivers two which were used as a pre-amp and we watch movies every Tuesday night and were both amazed in how it sounds. So far best purchase I have made for my home theater. biggrin.gif
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Supposed to be delivered by Fedex tomorrow.
I am actually not expecting much of a sound quality change, so hopefully if I hear one its real smile.gif.

Awesome, I'll be checking frequently smile.gif Just curious, if your not expecting much of a sound quality change, why did you make the switch? Both the AV8801 and Integra seem to have a plethora of features.
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Is there a definitive diagram and a clear diagram of where to postion height and wide speaker configs. The wides seem to be placed somwhere between the fronts and side speakes and can be mounted on speaker stands at what appears tombe the same height as the sides...maybe a little lower. But the height speakers i have seen diagrams of have these speakers placed in the corner of the room above the left and right speakers....and i have seen pics with these placed on or in the ceiling.....so what the hell......

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Does it have Prologic IIx? I only saw IIz listed. IIx is the one that makes 7.1 out of stereo or 5.1, right?

Correct. And yes, every Denon and Marantz unit capable of at least 7.1 can do IIx.

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Dumb question but what kind of cable do I need to trigger my amp? Is it a simple mono cable or something else. I have always turned on my amp manually.
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Dumb question but what kind of cable do I need to trigger my amp? Is it a simple mono cable or something else. I have always turned on my amp manually.

Just a 3.5mm mono cable should do the trick
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Yup .. a mono cable will work just fine. smile.gif

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Does the 8801 support any of the Neural processing which is what I use for music.

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Awesome, I'll be checking frequently smile.gif Just curious, if your not expecting much of a sound quality change, why did you make the switch? Both the AV8801 and Integra seem to have a plethora of features.

Basically I was owed a favor and got one at a great deal. Lets change it to "not expecting, but HOPING for an improvement" smile.gif

Also it does 4k passthrough, which I want now for my HTPC to output 4k to my Sony projector and for a future 4k format.
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Awesome, I'll be checking frequently smile.gif Just curious, if your not expecting much of a sound quality change, why did you make the switch? Both the AV8801 and Integra seem to have a plethora of features.

He's just level setting expectations for himself to minimize placebo effect. smile.gif
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AFAIK, no. Not listed as a spec on the website.

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