Originally Posted by noah katz
First off, the 972's biggest difference re Denon is that without any processing at all, the sound is better - clearer and, important with my pro woofer +compression driver speakers, more refined.
Next, the Trinnov EQ does a better job with the bass.
Finally, the remapping can result in a wonderful palpability to the sound; not only are sounds located in different locations in space, each one (or at least some, hard to keep track of them all) sounds 3-D itself.
Note the "can"; it's hit or miss with setups, and if you have the patience to keep experimenting, you may get a hit.
Thanks Noah, that's interesting. Curt Hoyt and I sat together in an audition of some superb loudspeakers in a private demo at the Westin during Cedia. We discussed Trinnov's capability and how it could further optimize what was arguably the finest, most complete demo I experienced over four days of loudspeaker demos. Trinnov is fascinating for sure, and anyone that's had the pleasure of meeting Curt Hoyt knows how compelling an argument for Trinnov he can make.
No, I've still not fully experienced what Trinnov can do, but I've experienced wonderfully immersive soundstage and imaging that possess all the characteristics I'm looking for. The price of admission is still too rich for me, at the "full Trinnov" level. Surely, as everything else dsp centric plunges in price over time, I suspect this will too. By your statements and inexpensive price, the argument could be made for experimentation with the 972.
Referring to transparency (Denon vs 972), I've found myself to be sensitive to such things. It becomes difficult to dismiss the differences too, once you lock onto the small signal path changes, it's easier and easier to clearly identify them. I've experimented so much over the course of the past 18 months or so, you tend to listen right past other elements and lock onto the particular difference. It's been fascinating for sure, but I'm transitioning away from all the analytical listening and back to pure pleasure.
Semi-relavant story, and an example; last night we went to opening night of Taken 2. Throughout the entire course of the film (digital vid in this case), there's this dude behind my son, four people down and one row behind me, continually cleared his thought during the movie perhaps as often as every 60-90 seconds or so. After we left, we're on the way home and I ask everyone what they thought of the guy clearing his throat non-stop. None of them thought anything of it, ... thinking it stopped and he only did it a few times! They could bock it out, maybe because I was so pissed about the lame audio (I went and inquired w/mgmt about how low the volume was) I couldn't get past it,...I don't know. I never once was "pulled into" the show like I typically am. Whatever, typical lame ass mediocre multiplex sound, with all the distractions. Our two previous theater outings were IMAX based. Promethus 3D, and Dark Knight Rises, both were good.
Way OT, but thanks Noah, I appreciate it. Do you perform other individual bass optimization yourself, and allow the 972 to work globally? Or let the piece do it all? Is this your primary system? I really know very little about the 972. I've been looking at pre-pros for a year or so, not compelled to pull the trigger.