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Hello everyone my name is Chris I live in South Florida. I got an amazing deal and I had to jump on it but I am very new to the game when it comes to AV receivers and tower speakers etc etc. Just looking for some friendly advice and help. I currently have a Denon AVR-2312CI as my receiver. I have a pair of Definitive Technology BP8060 tower speakers and I just got the Definitive Technology CS8060HD as my center channel. I have had this system for about 2 to 3 months now except for the center I got it yesterday. I know these are good speakers and I just feel like they can sound better. Not sure if my receiver is under powered or if my settings are messed up. I use the normal amp when watching movies, and the zone amp with music. I have the fronts set to large and the center set to large. I have the volume on each speaker set to 0 db. I feel like the music sounds great. I cant complain with the music. But the movies I am not feeling like I am getting the best out of the speakers. Not sure what else I can tell you. I am in a small room until I find my own place. I did the set up right. I am starting to think it might be my ps3. I use my ps3 as my dvd and bluray player. Is there a setting on my ps3 that I should change. The dialogue when I play movies does not come through clear and crisp like the reviews I have read about my center. Any suggestions as this point would be greatly appreciate it. Thanks for having me hear and its great to have a forum like this to get help and increase my knowledge. Thank you everyone.
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do you have a sub? did you go thru all the settings correctly.Dont know anything about your reciever but i'm sure you still need to go thru all the room correction stuff.Setting to large when you didnt have a center was probably ok but i would set everything to small.But probably irrelevant until u do the setup.Get the manual out and go thru everything is a suggestion.
Where in south fla. by the way? i'm down here aswell.
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Hey was up that's cool that we are in Miami. I had a pro 1000 center but I upgraded to the 8060 because it was not enough especially next to the these huge tower speakers. I did the setup through the wizard when I first got it. I have been calling definitive technology and denon to help me a little on the settings. Not many settings to play with. They told me to set the fronts as large and the center as large. Remember this center channel has a small sub woofer. I do not have a separate sub. My towers have one 10 inch sub in each tower. So basically I have two 10 inch subs. I basically just watch movies and listen to pandora. My set up sounds good but I know they can sound wayyyyyyyy better. Like I said I am new to this world and I just want it set up right so I can enjoy them.
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Hey was up that's cool that we are in Miami. I had a pro 1000 center but I upgraded to the 8060 because it was not enough especially next to the these huge tower speakers. I did the setup through the wizard when I first got it. I have been calling definitive technology and denon to help me a little on the settings. Not many settings to play with. They told me to set the fronts as large and the center as large. Remember this center channel has a small sub woofer. I do not have a separate sub. My towers have one 10 inch sub in each tower. So basically I have two 10 inch subs. I basically just watch movies and listen to pandora. My set up sounds good but I know they can sound wayyyyyyyy better. Like I said I am new to this world and I just want it set up right so I can enjoy them.

Hi Chris, first of all welcome to the Forum of AVS. smile.gif

As regards your query here's a good read for Ya: Large vs. Small. May seem as like "deep water/ swimmers only", but once you get the hang of it I'm sure you're gonna rush out to buy a subwoofer for your set up.

Report back please. smile.gif
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Oh I for sure want a separate sub. But because I am in a small bedroom right now trust me the subs on the towers are more than sufficient. But when I get my house I do want a sub. I know that the bass from a separate sub doesn't compare to the ones in my towers. But for the moment I listed what I do have. But I know the smallest change in a setting can make the speakers sound way better. Thank you for welcoming me here and I hope to learn a lot.
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If you are using Audyssey, to get the full benefit of it's capability, you'll want to run a cable from each of the AVR's sub pre-outs to each of the LFE inputs on the front main speakers as there are 8x more sub filter control points than speaker control points.

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I am using Audyssey. The guys at definitive technology told me I really do not have to run a cable because the subs in my towers have a powered amp powering my subs on each tower speaker. I control the bass but the knob in the rear. Or that is how I understand it.
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That's correct, you don't HAVE to connect the LFE cables; however, for better Audyssey processing, you're better served doing so. Also by doing so, you could control the sub volume with the remote control. Check your DT owner's manual ... it likely suggests either configuration as being correct.

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If I do not have the cable connect at this moment should I turn Audyssey off for now?
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Not at all as it's still providing EQ filters to the speakers. Note also that if you don't have two sets of sub coax digital cables, you can use the "yellow" composite video cables if long enough.

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I am going to try that out. So how does it work. Where do I connect the cable to and from on the speaker and the receiver?
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I just got a weird message about moderator not sure if my last message went through
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sorry about that so yes I will definitely try that. From where on the speaker to where on the receiver to I connect it. What do you think is going on with my center channel. It sounds great when I listen to music. It sounds crisp and bright and clear. Then with movies it sounds like its holding back. Very low. I just re did the wizard and Audyssey set my channel levels at Front L -8.5dB, Front R -9.0dB and my Center is -10dB.
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Did you use a tripod or mic boom stand with the mic at seated ear height prior to running Audyssey? Is the center speaker angled up/down as necessary to point at your head when seated? Nothing wrong with those speaker levels, although you're welcome to bump up the center channel a few db if you prefer. Have you reviewed the Audyssey FAQ/101 Guide linked in my sig?

Also, what does this mean? ---> "I use the normal amp when watching movies, and the zone amp with music." How do you have the speakers connected to the AVR?

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The denon lets you pick the amp in system set up under amp assign. You can choose like different amps. Normal states in the bottom that is 5.1/7.1 and the next assign mode is Zone states at the bottom assign power amp to zone2 stereo signal then I have another one for bi-amp and another that said 2CH. I have it set up very basic. Front L speaker to the Front L on receiver, Front R speaker to Front R receiver and Center speaker to Center on the receiver. I did not use a tripod or mic broom. I have a small couch and I put box that was just around listen height and put the mic on that and I measured 8 positions. I will angle my center a little up and see how that works.
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Yes, I'm familiar with the Denon settings; however, unless you have speakers connected to the Surr Back/Amp Assign speaker posts, those settings don't do anything. Your speakers are using the same amps for all audio movie or music. As suggested in the AVR's Owner's manual, you really need to use either a tripod or mic boom stand as it will make a difference. Please review the Audyssey FAQ/101 linked in my sig for more information on this and tripod/boom stand suggestions as well.

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I will read that article. I will play around with this system and whatever I learn from that article I will put to practice as well. Do you think my receiver is enough for my set up?
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Yes, the AVR is plenty strong enough. Your speakers are very efficient as noted by the fact that the AVR has to reduce their volume levels from 8.5db to 10.0db.

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I am going to buy the subwoofer cables tomorrow. What settings do you recommend. I am going to set my fronts to small and my center is at small. After that because I have no practice setting the sub on my receiver what do you recommend I try first as my settings?
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Follow the advise given in both the 2312CI Owner's manual and the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig to setup the subs.

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Thank you I am going to give a shot and I hope it sounds better.
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One thing is confusing me. When I the two subs with the connector. Do I know put YES for the subwoofer? Well Audyssey or the receiver treat this like I have a two separate subs?
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Yes on setting the sub to YES and no on separate subs as the 2312CI just uses an internal "Y" splitter for the dual sub pre-outs. Only those models with the higher version of Audyssey XT32 and Sub EQ HT with dual sub pre-outs can process dual subs as two separate subs, so the 2312 will only see a single sub, although better to just run Audyssey again and let the AVR properly configure them.

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The denon lets you pick the amp in system set up under amp assign. You can choose like different amps. Normal states in the bottom that is 5.1/7.1 and the next assign mode is Zone states at the bottom assign power amp to zone2 stereo signal then I have another one for bi-amp and another that said 2CH. I have it set up very basic. Front L speaker to the Front L on receiver, Front R speaker to Front R receiver and Center speaker to Center on the receiver. I did not use a tripod or mic broom. I have a small couch and I put box that was just around listen height and put the mic on that and I measured 8 positions. I will angle my center a little up and see how that works.

 

That will in all likelihood have given you a less than stellar calibration.

 

Check this out in the Audyssey FAQ:

 

d)1.   Do I really need to put the Audyssey mic on a tripod or stand?

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