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In other posts I pretty much selected the speaker I like, worked out the general room layout the next piece of this puzzle is searching out a receiver that will meet my needs without over spending.

Budget $500-600 street price

From reading here Denon, Onkyo and Yamaha seam to be popular brands.

I'm setting up a 5.1 HT system 70% TV & movies 30% music.

No gaming, 3D not required.

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2 - PM 800 rear 145
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In addition to the HT room
4 other rooms with TV using a 2X4 matrix switch, cat6 wiring
4 other rooms with music (speakers)

I can pre-wire all runs of wires. (new build)

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Just bought the denon 1913 today pretty awesome

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I know almost nothing about the $500 price point. Maybe this will at least start some people arguing... In my opinion, I would guess that:

a) There is not a lot of difference among them if you do some searching and identify $500 - $600 units from Denon, H-K, Onkyo, Pioneer, Sony, Yamaha, etc. -- pick the one with the features you want.

b) You may have trouble finding any AVR that will power that many zones.

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The issue with running HDMI sources to both a TV and AVR is that that you will generally be limited to passing whatever the TVs can accept to the AVR (ie. no DD/DTS), so if stereo audio only, then that's the best you'll get going to the AVR as well. So not really sure what you're expecting as far as the matrix switch is concerned. Do you have TVs in each of those rooms with audio via the TV speakers only? Do you ever pass more than one source to the 4 TV rooms at the same time?

As far as Denon models go, the minimum you'll want is the 2113CI which can power the HT speakers, and then connect the Zone 2 pre-outs to a 2CH amp which in turn would be connected to a 4-zone impedance matching speaker selector connected to the 4 rooms with speakers (stereo presumably).

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The issue with running HDMI sources to both a TV and AVR is that that you will generally be limited to passing whatever the TVs can accept to the AVR (ie. no DD/DTS), so if stereo audio only, then that's the best you'll get going to the AVR as well. So not really sure what you're expecting as far as the matrix switch is concerned. Do you have TVs in each of those rooms with audio via the TV speakers only? Do you ever pass more than one source to the 4 TV rooms at the same time?


Sorry new at this DD/DTS ?

In each of the rooms they would have a TV on or music/speakers not both.
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Need more info ... what two sources are connected to the 2x4 HDMI switch? Do you want these same sources to play in the HT as well? Do each of the 4 HDMI outputs go to a TV only or to another sound system? Do you play the same HDMI source to each of the 4 HDMI outputs or do you ever play one source on 1 or more TVs and another source on the other TVs?

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On the TV's I would like to display either a movie or a TV show.

I was going to send the 4 outputs to TV's,

I intended to send music to each of those rooms also.

If I can select the source to each that would be nice.

If you have a better way to build this mouse trap please give me your suggestion, this is my first Rodeo.

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What two sources/devices (eg. cable box, DVD player, Blu Ray player, etc.) are connected to the 2x4 HDMI switch? Do these rooms also have separate speakers in addition to the TV or were you going to use the TV speakers for music audio?

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I was thinking to use cable and Blu Ray.

I intended to have the TV's just using their own speakers when in use,

If I'm not using the TV say in the room I was going to install ceiling speakers just for music, each room would have a volume control on/off.

that music can be one source or station.
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It would be far less expensive to just get a 2nd cable box and BDP to play directly to the 4 TV rooms, otherwise here's another way of doing it, all be it far more than your budget maximum....

Denon AVR-3313CI ($1200)
- Connect 5.1 setup to speaker posts (HT)
- Connect Zone 2 pre-outs to 2CH amp #1 ($100) connected to 4-zone impedance matching speaker selector (or impedance matching volume control switches) ($30-$100) connected to the speakers in the TV rooms
- Connect Zone 3 pre-outs to 2CH amp #2 ($100) connected to 4-zone impedance matching speaker selector (or impedance matching volume control switches) ($30-$100) connected to the speakers in the 4 other rooms
- Connect Zone 2 (HDMI) out to Denon AVR-1613 ($400) and then connect the 2x4 HDMI switch to the 1613 monitor output with the switch's 4 outputs connected to the 4 TVs
- Connect HDMI and analog red/white cables from cable box and BDP to the 3313CI (as only analog audio will pass to the Zone 2/3 pre-outs)

Total cost roughly $2000.

With this configuration, you will be able to play 3 different sources to each of the main (Zone 1), TV rooms (Zone 2), and other audio rooms (Zone 3) with the same Zone 2 source going to all 4 TVs in the TV rooms and the same Zone 3 source going to all the 4 additional rooms. Also note that unless you place a 2nd AVR between the main AVR and the 2x4 HDMI switch, when you play a Dolby Digital/DTS 5.1 DVD/BD, in both the HT and the 4 additional TV rooms, you will be limited to only 2.0 audio in your main HT.

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thanks much, I need a bit to digest all that.

I'll draw it and be sure I understand it.

I'm sure I'll have a few more questions
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Ok that idea for the $2K didn't get too far with the wife, there were threats of becomming a gelding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!eek.gif

So back to plan A

"a 2nd cable box and BDP to play directly to the 4 TV rooms"

So with that setup the AVR will power the 5.1 in the HT room and my next question is how would you suggest I power the speakers in the other 4 rooms?

And which AVR (and other gear) would you recommend to get the whole thing to work?

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Drop down to the 2113CI with the 2CH amp for the Zone 2 pre-outs and either the 4-zone impedance matching speaker selector or volume control switches..

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I've been doing some research on this and like your suggestion, as far as the 2 CH amp, how many amps do you think I need I this?

Any particular brands or models

By the way thanks for taking the time to answer.
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You only need 1 amp for the 4 sets of speakers which I provided a link to in post #5.

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Got it, missed the link.
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