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Upcoming release of the Cambridge audio 651r/751r receivers.

First off, I am not a dealer, employee etc. etc. Just eager to hear finally hear one of these things. They are now on my local dealers inventory list, but not available to order just yet..... but soon. It seems as though they have overhauled the menus, remote etc. etc. Could be promising.

Anyone out there have one on pre-order? Opinions on the brand? I'm strongly considering pulling the trigger on a 651r once available. Here are the specs for each.

Azur 651R Features:

175 watts RMS per channel
4 HDMI inputs, 2 HDMI outputs
Anchor Bay ABT2010 scaler video
Scaler bypass mode – allows user to engage/disengage video scaler for each input as appropriate
Oversize low flux toroidal transformer and discrete amplifiers delivering ultra-low noise and distortion
Cirrus Logic dual 32-bit DSPs for compatibility with the latest CODECs
Audyssey Room EQ, Dynamic Volume and Autosetup
Full 5.1/7.1 multi-channel analogue inputs and preamp outputs
DTS Speaker re-mapping allows the playback of DTS-HD
High Resolution or Master Audio formats with encoded height information on standard 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1 speaker setups
Independent Zone 2 audio and video output
Supplied with separate zone 2 remote control
Twin subwoofer outputs
Individual Crossovers and Advanced Bass Management
Bi-amp mode for front left/right with surround back left/right in 5.1 set-up
X-Tract™ Forced/Convection Heat Tunnel for virtually silent performance
FM/AM tuner with RDS
RS232 control, IR Emitter Input, trigger output
Low resonance, acoustically damped full metal chassis
Pure Analogue Stereo Direct
Also controllable from 651BD/751BD remote.
Azur 651R Specifications:

Power output:
- 175 watts rms per channel, 6 ohms (two channels driven)
- 140 watts rms per channel, 8 ohms (two channels driven)
- 100 watts rms per channel, 8 ohms (all 7 channels driven)

HDMI:
- HDMI 1.4, EIA/CEA - 861D, HDCP 1.1, ARC and 3D-TV/deep colour pass through supported.

Architecture:
- Cirrus Logic CS43122 24 Bit 192kHz capable DAC for Front Left & Right
- Cirrus Logic CS52526 24 Bit 192kHz capable CODEC for surround channels + 24 Bit 2 channel A/D Conversion
- Cirrus Logic CS497004 dual 32 bit DSP
- Anchor Bay ABT2010 scaler

Audio Inputs
- 6 x Line Level Analogue
- Tuner (FM/AM)
- 7.1 multi-channel analogue Input
- 5 x digital co-axial, 4 x digital optical

Video Inputs:
- 4 HDMI, 3 Component Video, 4 Composite, 4 S-Video

Main Audio Outputs:
- 7 Amplified Speaker Outputs, 7.2 Preamp outputs

Main Video Output:
- 2 x HDMI

Zone 2 outputs:
- Surround back channels, 2.1 preamp audio outputs, component, S-Video and composite video outputs

Recording Audio Outputs:
- 2 Line Level Analogue
- 2 Digital Co-Axial, 2 Digital Optical

Other connections:
- 1 1/4" / 6.35mm Headphone Output (32 To 600 ohms recommended
- 3 x IR emitter outputs, 2 x IR emitter inputs, 1 x zone 2 IR emitter input
- 2 x trigger outputs
- 1 RS232C, 1 IEC type mains inlet

Standby power consumption:
- <1w

Max power consumption:
- 1400w

Dimensions:
- H x W x D 150 x 430 x 420mm

Weight: 15.3kg

Taken directly from Spearit sound website.


Here is the 751r:

Azur 751R 7.1 Home Cinema Receiver

Features:

200 watts RMS per channel
6 HDMI in, 2 out with support for 3D TV / Deep colour passthru / Audio Return Channel reception.
Anchor Bay ABT2010 scaler video scaler for upscaling and analogue to digital video transcoding/scaling (composite, S-video and component video to HDMI)
Scaler bypass mode – allows user to engage/disengage video scaler for each input as appropriate
Oversize low flux toroidal transformer and discrete amplifiers delivering ultra-low noise and distortion
Cirrus Logic dual 32-bit DSPs for compatibility with the latest CODECs including Dolby Digital Plus, DTS- HD High Resolution and the Lossless Dolby True HD and DTS-HD Master Audio formats
Additional DSP performing 24-bit/192kHz ATF audio upsampling on all channels
Pure Analogue Stereo Direct mode for audiophile playback of analogue stereo sources.
Audyssey Room EQ, Dynamic Volume and Autosetup for the best performance in almost any environment
Full 5.1/7.1 multi-channel analogue inputs and preamp outputs
DTS Speaker re-mapping allows the playback of DTS-HD High Resolution or Master Audio formats with encoded
height information on standard 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1 speaker setups
Individual Crossovers and Advanced Bass Management
Independent Zone 2 audio and video output
Supplied with separate zone 2 remote control
Twin subwoofer outputs
Asynchronous USB audio input allowing high resolution audio streaming from computer
Bi-amp mode for front left/right with surround back left/right in 5.1 set-up
X-Tract™ Forced/Convection Heat Tunnel for virtually silent performance
FM/AM tuner with RDS
RS232 control, IR Emitter Input, trigger output
Low resonance, acoustically damped full metal chassis
Also controllable from 651BD/751BD remote.
Specifications:

Power output:
- 200 watts rms per channel, 6 ohms (two channels driven)
- 170 watts rms per channel, 8 ohms (two channels driven)
- 120 watts rms per channel, 8 ohms (all 7 channels driven)

HDMI:
- HDMI 1.4, EIA/CEA - 861D, HDCP 1.1, ARC and 3D-TV/deep colour pass through supported.

Architecture:
- Cirrus Logic CS43122 24 Bit 192kHz capable DAC for Front Left & Right
- Cirrus Logic CS52526 24 Bit 192kHz capable CODEC for surround channels + 24 Bit 2 channel A/D Conversion
- Cirrus Logic CS497004 dual 32 bit DSP
- Additional AD DSP performing 24bit/192kHz ATF Upsampling
- Anchor Bay ABT2010 scaler
- USB 1.0: 24-bit 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 96kHz
- USB 2.0: 16/24-bit 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz, 192kHz

Audio Inputs:
- 6 x Line Level Analogue
- Tuner (FM/AM)
- 7.1 multi-channel analogue Input
- 1 x asynchronous USB audio input
- 5 x digital co-axial, 4 x digital optical

Video Inputs:
- 6 HDMI (5 x HDMI 1.4, 1 x front panel HDMI 1.3), 3 Component Video, 4 Composite, 4 S-Video

Main Audio Outputs:
- 7 Amplified Speaker Outputs, 7.2 Preamp outputs

Main Video Output:
- 2 x HDMI

Zone 2 outputs:
- Surround back channels, 2.1 preamp audio outputs, component, S-Video and composite video outputs

Recording Audio Outputs:
- 2 Line Level Analogue
- 2 Digital Co-Axial, 2 Digital Optical

Other connections:
- 1 1/4" / 6.35mm Headphone Output (32 To 600 ohms recommended
- 3 x IR emitter outputs, 2 x IR emitter inputs, 1 x zone 2 IR emitter input
- 2 x trigger outputs
-1 RS232C, 1 IEC type mains inlet

Max power consumption:
- 1800W

Dimensions
- H x W x D 150 x 430 x 420mm

Weight: 16.2kg


Taken directly from Spearit sound website.
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Interesting Cambridge went with Audyssey. Room correction on their products was long overdue.
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Have you heard an ACTUAL release/shipping date?

I've been interested for nearly a year. CA originally announced them in early 2011.

I was told HW was final and "final beta" testing in April 2012. Shipping would be in a couple months.

CA tweeted in early August, 651r and 751r would be shipping in a couple months.


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I have always thought that the Cambridge receivers blew away the competition when it came to sound quality.

They didn't sell well in the USA because everyone is so hung up on Audessy (which I could do without, personally).

I hope they sell as well as they should when these new ones come out.

The 551R is available now, of course, and will meet the needs of 90% of us quite nicely.
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The best sounding AVR/Pre-Pro's I've ever heard usually had NO or USELESS speaker correction, Opps! I mean ROOM correction. wink.gif Let's be honest, it's as much or MORE about the speakers than it is about the room when it comes to the fascination with RC. I have an Anthem and after moving my speakers a little, here and there, ARC's effect is now minimal, to be generous.

I think RC is fine. It can help a little with boomy bass, etc. But I've found the people who LOVE RC the most all have the same type of speakers. Yuh know, Eh wink.gif Or if you pull the wires out of your tweeters and the speakers sound about the same, Yikes! That's, Definitive, you need to look elsewhere. biggrin.gif

As far as CA, if your are going to bother putting Audyssey RC in a new AVR, why 2EQ ? This isn't a $300 Denon. At these price points and the massive amount of time they've had, there are no excuses. Do it right or don't bother and put the $$$ somewhere else.

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I'm waiting to hear from my local dealer on when exactly I can get one. Black is supposed to be available "early Dec" and Silver "late Dec." CA hinted on their twitter feed Nov 27 that a big announcement was coming and added a rolling out the red carpet pic. I'm hoping it was for these long overdue receivers.

I've held off on an Arcam or NAD alternative to hear the CA units. The 650r and the 551r sound great, so I'm hoping the 651r will shound just as good with fewer user quirks. I'm most intereseted in the clean and true 100w x7 output the 651r should offer.

From reviews at Hometheatermag.com the CA amp sections actually provide their power claims. I'm currently saddled with a Pioneer unit that cannot drive my recently upgraded speakers properly without sounding strained.

I agree room correction is relied upon too much. I don't use it and also support the solution of placement and better loudspeakers. Room correction is opening the door for inferior loudspeakers to be made, period. Expect HTIB units to soon include it across the board and even cheaper speakers as a result.

Comanies like CA interest me because they CHOOSE to not leap into the correction realm whole hog like all others. Arcam is another company that is reluctantly joining the RC that I follow.
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Have you heard an ACTUAL release/shipping date?

Don't hold your breathe because if you do - you kud rrreeelie hrt yurseff bi th tim cmbrid...........................................

Ok, I have some info from my dealer that the 751r is coming first and the 651r will follow. The 751r is supposedly available around Dec 15. There is no specific date yet for the 651r.....

I like the idea of Cambridge very much, their ethos, and like their products I have demoed, but I can't wait anymore. Too many pushbacks.

I'm going with Arcam instead.

The fact that cambridge is constantly asked about these units on their twitter and facebook pages and they don't give any sniff of an accurate timeline makes me a little hesistant to hold out for them. Oh well. I'm sure when they finally drop they will be great.
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I've had two Arcam 400's. Arcam RC is pathetic. Terrible. Never got positive SQ results, so I never used it besides for distances and levels. OTOH, I will say Arcam's handling of bass and crossover is the best of any AVR I've heard INCLUDING Anthem WITH ARC. The bass is SOOOO well integrated, very impressive. Make any Jap model sound pathetic. I also felt the Arcam had superior video pass throughout. Better color POP and less red. Plus, an excellent remote (assuming you can get one with a FULL functioning back light.)

The ONLY reason I picked the Anthem MRX700 over the Arcam400 was that I kept getting a "chirp" noise out the right rear side of the sound field. FATAL FLAW.

The Anthem has its own issues, including static noise that seems to come and go. Plus, a few issues with HDMI.

I'd still like to try a CA AVR, however. I just have a feeling.....

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I've heard they are coming soon......patience rewards.

But funny thing is another guy heard I was picking up the Arcam at the store and I wasn't holding out for a Cambridge unit. He asked "When are they supposed to be out?" I said "2 weeks or so..." " Probably next December then" he replied jokingly.

It turns out that the price of the 651r was going to be 2399$ CAN and that is a little steep for me right now. Went for the avr360 for 1799$ tax in. I have high hopes for it.

I hope Cambridge is around for awhile...... it might be some time before my next receiver. smile.gif
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As long as you don't happen to run into my "chirp" problem, you should be VERY happy. My chirps started within a day or two and become MUCH less than rare. I even had to power down, it was chirping continuous. These were both open-box units. Watch out for the remote too. You should be able to easily see ALL buttons lit up. They are not "bright", but quite visible. I was 2 for 6 on properly backlit remotes. The backlight system was constantly messed up. Also, once you get the hang of how they work, they are quite fully functionable? programmable and learnable remotes.

Arcam has gotten a bad rap lately, probably mostly deserved. But when it comes to the 400 (for me anyway) I was surprised how good it really was compared to the "legendary" (just ask them over there rolleyes.gif ) Anthem MRX's.

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Bump.

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Not sure of your meaning....

Anyway, I now have the AVR 360. My initial impressions are very pleasing. Although, the auto setup routine leaves much to be desired- as all speakers were set to small with a crossover point of 200hz!!

Needless to say, I did a factory reset and set all variables manually. Otherwise, sound quality and video passthrough are excellent.
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Not sure of your meaning....
Anyway, I now have the AVR 360. My initial impressions are very pleasing. Although, the auto setup routine leaves much to be desired- as all speakers were set to small with a crossover point of 200hz!!
Needless to say, I did a factory reset and set all variables manually. Otherwise, sound quality and video passthrough are excellent.

Funny, in relation to how LONG it was taking to get these AVR's out.

Something was wrong with your setup. Maybe what you used as a mic stand or maybe a bad mic. In fact, although bass mgmt was pretty simplistic, I thought it had the best sounding bass mgmt of any AVR. Including the Anthem I ended up keeping.

I thought the setup was fine, it was the EQ'ing that was terrible.

CA has a new website AND the new AVR's are FINALLY out.

Nothing we didn't already know. Still don't get why they bothered with Audyssey. 2EQ just makes them look behind the times, especially in this price range. Anything over $2K should have XT32. Maybe they did something special, but I doubt it. I'm no speaker correction, OOPS!, I mean ROOM correction wink.gif fan, but do it right or don't bother. I would've saved the Audyssey fee and made a nicer looking faceplate instead.

When someone tries one out, love to hear some opinions. Especially related to CODEC pops and such. CA's 651r and 751r were the only AVR's, of interest, I didn't get to try out.

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I've not found Arcam AVR600's RC to be 'pathetic', after having tried Audyssey MultEQ on a Denon and XT32 on an Onkyo, at least in my room with my set-up. Kal published his measurements on the AVP888 and it looked respectable. Audyssey is certainly more sophisticated and did get the speaker set-up more accurately than Arcam in some areas but that's something that can be manually corrected if needed. I'm now using Onkyo as pre-amp to Arcam. Even people using Audyssey have reported variable results with different heights of the mic and some do have bad mics.

As to CA, really not moving forward at all. Not going to waste time even talking about it.

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I've not found Arcam AVR600's RC to be 'pathetic', after having tried Audyssey MultEQ on a Denon and XT32 on an Onkyo, at least in my room with my set-up. Kal published his measurements on the AVP888 and it looked respectable. Audyssey is certainly more sophisticated and did get the speaker set-up more accurately than Arcam in some areas but that's something that can be manually corrected if needed. I'm now using Onkyo as pre-amp to Arcam. Even people using Audyssey have reported variable results with different heights of the mic and some do have bad mics.

As to CA, really not moving forward at all. Not going to waste time even talking about it.

Let's see...

I'm glad Arcam's RC worked better for you. How does it sound? Compared to the RC EQ off and compared to the Audyssey you've used?

What did Kal say about the sound? Did it sound better, improve the clarity of the center channel, better bass integration, better front to rear sound integration, etc? THAT'S what matters to me. Not that it looked "respectable" on paper.

I think you are mistaking my interest in RC "set-up" and a RC's "EQ'ing". I don't care much about a RC's ability to do set-up (distances, SPL's, bass crossovers, etc.) But a RC's ability to do EQ'ing IS important and usually CANNOT be manually adjusted. Plus, THAT'S where ALL the differences are, AND disappointments.

However, how well an AVR can handle the actual bass crossover is interesting. Turning OFF Arcam's AVR400 RC EQ kills your ability to do individual speaker group (main, center, rear.etc) bass crossover to the sub. You can only do a single ALL SPEAKER crossover. BUT, I found the AVR400's manual sub crossover to be much more pleasing and better blended than the Anthem MRX700's full out ARC sub crossover with EQ'ing ON.

That's VERY basic bass mgmt (one setting for 5 speakers) vs. the highly sophisticated Anthem ARC. Good quality AVR bass crossover design vs. the mighty Anthem ARC. One wins in SQ, and the other on paper.

Unfortunately, too many people today are busy sitting on the toilet reading spec. sheets to make their decisions.

In the end, I had to stick with the Anthem because the Arcam AVR400's (2 units) both would develop an odd "chirp" noise out the rear right surround. (Oh, the weird world of boutique AVR's). Couple times I had to turn the unit ON and OFF to get it to stop. Otherwise, I found the Arcam AVR400 to be an AVR with better SQ (with EQ off) than the Anthem with ARC EQ ON.

This is just an example where RC doesn't always win.

Don't get me wrong, the Anthem has excellent SQ. The Arcam is just better and doesn't need RC EQ'ing to do it.

Do it well at the start and you won't need to fix it later.

I'm confused, you're using an Onkyo ?AVR? as a pre-amp to your Arcam AVR600? Or did you have an Arcam amp you didn't mention?

I take it you've listened to CA AVR's and consider them inferior to others? THAT'S why it's a non-starter. You wouldn't write them off without trying one out.

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I wish Cambridge would make their blu ray players in silver to match a silver 551R, that would look pretty badass and retro.
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I'm glad Arcam's RC worked better for you. How does it sound? Compared to the RC EQ off and compared to the Audyssey you've used?

I have written about it before. In a nutshell, not a huge difference compared to Aud but Aud does better on the sub, and more detailed mid-range than EQ off.
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What did Kal say about the sound? Did it sound better, improve the clarity of the center channel, better bass integration, better front to rear sound integration, etc? THAT'S what matters to me. Not that it looked "respectable" on paper.

I can't answer on his behalf if it's not in his article. While some people rely purely on subjective, some objective, I am somewhere in the middle, on both using objective as a more reliable basis to start or confirm the subjective assessment.
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I think you are mistaking my interest in RC "set-up" and a RC's "EQ'ing". I don't care much about a RC's ability to do set-up (distances, SPL's, bass crossovers, etc.) But a RC's ability to do EQ'ing IS important and usually CANNOT be manually adjusted. Plus, THAT'S where ALL the differences are, AND disappointments.

No, not quite misunderstanding but getting the basics right does suggest a more accurate EQ scheme and this we do need objective measurement. I do agree manual adjustment on top is preferred than all auto.
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One wins in SQ, and the other on paper.

It doesn't have to be either or. I'd have thought the two go together. Otherwise subjective SQ is no more than just a combo of subjective hearing ability, musical perception and preference.

Does the Anthem wins on SQ but do poorly on paper?
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Unfortunately, too many people today are busy sitting on the toilet reading spec. sheets to make their decisions.

I don't know what people do in the toilets but so many people ask about specs here. Spec sheet is a start. Actually I read a lot of reviews too but I cannot take it home for trials unlike you.
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Do it well at the start and you won't need to fix it later.

As I understand the whole idea of RC is fix problems with the room, not patch up the AVR's intrinsic deficiencies. The AVR cannot know what the room sounds like.
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I'm confused, you're using an Onkyo ?AVR? as a pre-amp to your Arcam AVR600?

You read it right. It's not such a bizarre idea when a few years ago there was an Audyssey unit just to do RC using the AVR's MCH analogue out for $1k.
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I take it you've listened to CA AVR's and consider them inferior to others? THAT'S why it's a non-starter. You wouldn't write them off without trying one out.

I never said CA is 'inferior to others' (in terms of amp, never doubt the amp's output). I had listened to some CA in a local store before (and I have a CA CDP).

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all boutique avrs have their quirks for sure. But the sound quality jump is worth it for me. I'm just glad I had my old avr to pull the set up distances and levels off for manual entry.

Went from midrange pioneer to entry arcam and there is no comparisson at all. Too bad Cambridge isn't reliable with their release dates and dealer coordination.... I may have waited had I have known. But the 651 is a big price jump over the 360 for sure. Happy with the 360 for now and use the network playback off NAS for flac. That was a big one for me.
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I'm hoping to get my hands on a 651r soon.

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On order.

1 to 2 weeks, I think, for a 651r.

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I was also debating on CA vs NAD and when NAD T775HD went on sale two years ago for $1299 I pounced on it and have not looked back. Awesome sound and Audyssey MultiEQ XT is decent. It gets some of my crossovers wrong but otherwise rock solid product. I was very close to buying a 650R.
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I have the 751R and it works excellent. I went from an Onkyo 5010 which I just didn't like the sound of compared to the Anthem MRX-700 I had before it. I thought I would give the Cambridge Audio a try as I thought it would be closer sounding to the MRX-700. Seemed like something was missing on music with the Onkyo. I do think the Cambridge sounds better overall(less harsh sounding at higher levels) and more powerful. It doesn't have quite so many bells and whistles but I like it that way. I am not looking back at all. Running 4 Paradigm Studio 20 V4's, a Studio CC-590, and SVS PB12-PLUS and PB-NSD/2 for subs. Hope more people purchase this unit so us owners can discuss them a little more. Purchased the 751R for around $1950 plus taxes here in Canada which I thought was excellent because the other store in town was wanting around $2400 for it.
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I have the 751R and it works excellent. I went from an Onkyo 5010 which I just didn't like the sound of compared to the Anthem MRX-700 I had before it. I thought I would give the Cambridge Audio a try as I thought it would be closer sounding to the MRX-700. Seemed like something was missing on music with the Onkyo. I do think the Cambridge sounds better overall(less harsh sounding at higher levels) and more powerful. It doesn't have quite so many bells and whistles but I like it that way. I am not looking back at all. Running 4 Paradigm Studio 20 V4's, a Studio CC-590, and SVS PB12-PLUS and PB-NSD/2 for subs. Hope more people purchase this unit so us owners can discuss them a little more. Purchased the 751R for around $1950 plus taxes here in Canada which I thought was excellent because the other store in town was wanting around $2400 for it.

why did you switch from an Anthem to the Cambridge? what do you find is the difference? do you like the Cambridge better than the Anthem?...
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I switched to an Onkyo 5010 first as I needed to use up some credit money at visions after I switched from tv to a projector. I got the 5010 but didn't like it as much so sold it. I really like the Cambridge so far, I would say equal to the Anthem for me. Rated at more power and has just as many features and has room correction. I don't think I have a desire to get the MRX-700 again after having this Cambridge as I would say they are pretty equal. I have only been using the Cambridge for a short time though so haven't really had a chance to crank it up much either but sounds excellent at lower volumes too.
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I have had a 751r for a week and am keeping it for another week to try to figure out if I want to keep it or the Anthem MRX700.

In the last year, (literally, a year) I've demo'd/had..(not necessarily in order, of course)...

3 Anthem MRX700's (yes, three, it's a LONG story)
2 Arcam AVR400's
Cary Audio Cinema 12
Marantz 5006 (back next day, ugh!)
and now a CA 751r

In the next week, I'll right up a nice review for everyone.

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how you liking it? is it true that Arcam and Cambridge don't use the surrounds as well as Anthem?
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I have had a 751r for a week and am keeping it for another week to try to figure out if I want to keep it or the Anthem MRX700.

In the last year, (literally, a year) I've demo'd/had..(not necessarily in order, of course)...

3 Anthem MRX700's (yes, three, it's a LONG story)
2 Arcam AVR400's
Cary Audio Cinema 12
Marantz 5006 (back next day, ugh!)
and now a CA 751r

In the next week, I'll right up a nice review for everyone.

hello dean
I do not have a 751R but the new entry model 351R. I have noticed two problems with my receiver:
- The lip sync control gives a time delay to the main speakers, but not to the subwoofer. Because of this, when I set lipsync , there is a time delay between the sound to e.g. the center speaker, and the redirected bass to the subwoofer. It sounds like an echo. I started noticing it with the voice of Ben Affleck in Argo, when lipsync was set at 70ms. In order to confirm the nature of the problem, I experimented with 500ms setting, and this made it very clear that the subwoofer was not delayed, but the main speaker was. It basically makes lipsync useless.
- The bass/treble controls have on effect on front left and right, but not the center channel. I tested this with a microphone and measureing software.

I would be interested to know if the 751R also has these problems. Could you test this? Or at least test the lipsync if you do not have ways to test the bass/treble control.


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how you liking it? is it true that Arcam and Cambridge don't use the surrounds as well as Anthem?

No. But, I agree they are all a little diff.

The Anthem, at first, tends to give the impression of a more "full" surround effect. But when you try a variety of AVR's you discover that actually the Anthem tends to "blur" all channels and you loose detail and some clarity.

For instance the center channel with Arcam and CA is clearer and easier to understand voices without turning up the center channel. Detail in ANY one channel is easier to hear, especially with the CA. VERY impressive channel separation with the CA. A voice from the center channel never sounds like it is coming from "the center channel" with Anthem. It sounds like it is coming from "around" the center channel. But with CA it is VERY CLEAR that a voice is ONLY coming from the center channel, it was a little jarring when I first ran the CA.

I first discovered this, with the Anthem, listening to some old CD's that I knew very well from my 2 channel analog separate days( with the same main speakers). No soundstage, no depth - just sound thrown at you. But I'm mostly a TV guy, so I thought with five channels it wouldn't matter that much. Until, I realized it does the same thing with multichannel sound too.

Just to "beat up" the concept, a little. Blowing sound around to create a "full" effect, but with poor channel detail and separation, is exactly what Bose does. LOL! A slight exaggeration, but the same ballpark.

I'll have MORE on it later.

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Yeah I'm torn between the Cambridge 551R but no Dolby volume, on screen display and room corrections is a bummer, the Anthem MRX 300 or Arcam 360, be good to hear your review on it.
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Dean,

Why did you go with Anthem over Arcam?
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