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I recently bought Sony VPL-VW95ES projector and found out that my current receiver doesn't support 3D. So now need a receiver that doesn. Currently I have Definite BP77006 Central and Front speakers http://www.definitivetech.com/products/bp7006. Rear speaker are basic definitive ones. I also need to buy Surrounding speakers and a sub woofer. So basically setting up 7.1 (or potentially 7.2)

My budget is around 600 max for receiver. I see some expensive receivers used for much cheaper price but just don't know if they are good for me.

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As a start check out post #2 in each of the Denon AVR-XX12 (last year's models now on clearance, if still available) and Denon AVR-XX13 (current year's models) threads linked in my sig to see a comparison of the models in your price range, noting that there are several authorized resellers (eg. AVS Sales, Electronics Expo) that will give a discount off MSRP if you "call" them as they will list MSRP on their websites. Last year's 2112CI or this year's 2113CI would likely serve you well.

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You might make sure you have hispeed hdmi cables, sometimes even a non-3d avr (hdmi 1.3) can pass the signal. You should do fine at that price point for an avr with hdmi 1.4 or better (supports 3d). Might depend somewhat on your amplification needs...altho the DT spec for "max" sensitivity, whatever that is, is 92db for your speakers so they're hopefully that indicates they're relatively efficient. You can always go outboard amp if you get an avr with pre-outs. Curious, what are your plans with the subs in the tower? Not to use them or supplement them? Easy enough to split the line level out for the sub in any case. Rather than used you could go refurbished and save money and still get a warranty, acccessories4less.com has a good selection. You also want the best room correction you can get for the price, aim for Audyssey XT would be my suggestion (but if you go Pioneer they have MCACC, Yamaha has YPAO rather than

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You might make sure you have hispeed hdmi cables, sometimes even a non-3d avr (hdmi 1.3) can pass the signal.
Already checked with high speed 1.4 HDMI and it didn't work.
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what are your plans with the subs in the tower? Not to use them or supplement them?
I am using subs in towers using RCA cables.
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Rather than used you could go refurbished and save money and still get a warranty, acccessories4less.com has a good selection
Selection of what????


I have two offereings under my price range plus another option
1 - SHERWOOD R-972 (but hometheatre.com review says that it doesn't support 3D)
2 - Marantz SR5005
3 - Denon Avr-2312 CI

Your opinion please guys
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You'll need an HDMI 1.4 AVR to pass full 1080p 3D video of which both the 5005 and 2312CI are HDMI 1.4. However, the 2312CI offers the more advanced version of Audyssey MultEQ XT over just MultEQ in the 5005 so would be the better choice.

Another less costly option is to add a dual HDMI 1.4 BDP to pass the 3D video to the PJ and the HDMI audio to the current AVR.

http://www.hometheater.com/content/panasonic-dmp-bdt210-blu-ray-3d-player

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Another less costly option is to add a dual HDMI 1.4 BDP to pass the 3D video to the PJ and the HDMI audio to the current AVR.

Can you provide a link to this?
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Ah so BDP = Blue ray DVD Player. But I already have PS3 and my receiver is 7 years old. I'd rather buy a receiver.
Does anyone know that's the diff in between 2312ci to the 3312ci. There is a price diff of $250 in between the two and I'm wondering if it's worth spending that much more for 3312ci.
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Ah so BDP = Blue ray DVD Player. But I already have PS3 and my receiver is 7 years old. I'd rather buy a receiver.
Does anyone know that's the diff in between 2312ci to the 3312ci. There is a price diff of $250 in between the two and I'm wondering if it's worth spending that much more for 3312ci.

Bluray Disc Player, to be precise.
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Ah so BDP = Blue ray DVD Player. But I already have PS3 and my receiver is 7 years old. I'd rather buy a receiver.
Does anyone know that's the diff in between 2312ci to the 3312ci. There is a price diff of $250 in between the two and I'm wondering if it's worth spending that much more for 3312ci.

3312 has a little more power, 7.2 preouts to add an external amp. You can use optical/digital coax inputs for Zone 2 audio, has dual HDMI outputs.

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Stepping up from the 2312ci to the 3312ci adds:

Dual HDMI outputs that can be active simultaneously
Pre-outs for all channels
Audyssey DSX with speaker terminals for all 11 speakers (however only 7 can be active at once)
AL24+ processing on FL/FR channels for greater 2ch music fidelity
A dedicated PHONO input with pre-amp stage
HD Radio
Ability to scale sources to 1080p/24
Ability to cross-convert analog video signals (e.g. s-video in to component out)

Enhanced multizone / CI capabilities:
--- 3 zones instead of 2
--- Composite video output to Zone 2
--- Ability to send digital 2.0 PCM audio (optical/coax only, not HDMI) to Zone 2/3
--- dual 12v trigger outs

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If all you need is a receiver that can pass 3D video, you could get the entry level Denon AVR 1613. But it is pretty limited on inputs besides HDMI.

If you're willing to spend $600 the AVR 3312 is probably your best option.

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You might make sure you have hispeed hdmi cables, sometimes even a non-3d avr (hdmi 1.3) can pass the signal.
Already checked with high speed 1.4 HDMI and it didn't work.
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what are your plans with the subs in the tower? Not to use them or supplement them?
I am using subs in towers using RCA cables.
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Rather than used you could go refurbished and save money and still get a warranty, acccessories4less.com has a good selection
Selection of what????


I have two offereings under my price range plus another option
1 - SHERWOOD R-972 (but hometheatre.com review says that it doesn't support 3D)
2 - Marantz SR5005
3 - Denon Avr-2312 CI

Your opinion please guys
Thanks

HDMI cables aren't 1.4, they're hispeed or not altho marketers have blurred that distinction.

Selection of refurbished avr's.

The Trinnov room correction in the R972 is well regarded, and I believe the latest editions of the R972 were updated to 1.4 but you'll need to check source as to what version they're selling.

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If all you need is a receiver that can pass 3D video, you could get the entry level Denon AVR 1613. But it is pretty limited on inputs besides HDMI. If you're willing to spend $600 the AVR 3312 is probably your best option.

Considering I have Definitive Tech BP7006 speakers, I'd want to utilize them to their max. Also want ot setup 7.2. I don't know how good video conversion works but if it can convert 720 to 1080P then that's good. Receiver will be hooked up to Sony VPL-VW95Es that is displaying 130" screen.

Main difference that appeal to me are
1 - Audyssey DSX
2 - Ability to scale sources to 1080p/24

What I don't know is how good it is in doing so. Does it upgrate 720P to 1080P and make a good difference? What Audyssey DSX is buying me?. Read about Audyssey here http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/audyssey-dsx but it confuses me even more since they are saying that I need to angle my speakers in the direction explained in article.
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You're not likely going to notice that much difference between 720p and 1080p, not too mention your PJ is likely to do just as good of a job as the video chip. Audyssey DSX gives you the capability to add Front Wide or Front Height speakers (instead of rear surrounds) as shown in the drawing below.



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