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I'd appreciate input on what direction I should take between the Marantz and Pioneers AVRs I'm considering, especially if someone has had actual experience with the receiver. At this time I am not at all interested in Denon, Onkyo, Integra, Yamaha, NAD, or Anthem products and have eliminated these brands from further contention during my research.

I have demoed the Marantz sr7007 (and 7005) and Pioneer sc-65 (and sc-63) receivers several times now and am trying to decide which is likely to be the best choice to replace the Denon 3802 in my 5.1 system in a volume space family room. I started with the more expensive 7007 and sc-65 as a baseline but believe the 6006 or sc-63 will also work and can save a few bucks.

My current 5.1 set up includes 4 ohm Triad HT Silver bookshelf L&R fronts, Paradigm cc130 v1.3 center, in-wall Niles surrounds, and a Velodyne sub. These speakers were chosen due to the placement limitations when the room was set up 10+ years ago but I may at some point upgrade to Paradigm or B&W towers for my fronts and use the Triads for height or width speakers. The system has been and will be used primarily for movies and TV and no more than 5% for music. In addition to the Denon, other AV equipment in my HT are a Sharp LC70LE632U LED TV, Directv HD DVR, Oppo 93 BluRay player (on which I'll also play my CDs, SACDs, and DVD Audio), Toshiba A35 HD DVD player, and a sometimes used Nintendo Wii. I'll also be using a Harmony One universal remote.

While I've perceived some minor differences between the demoed receivers (ie. 7007 vs sc 65 and 7005 vs sc 63), there is nothing major that points me clearly to one brand. Therefore, reliability, ease of use, and HDMI compatibility with my current equipment are likely to be the critical deciding factors. At this time, I find there is only a $50 difference in price between the Marantz 7007 and Pio sc-65. Had I been in the market earlier in the year when many outlets had closeout deals on the sr6006, that would have been a no brainer. Now I'm considering either a new or less expensive refurb'd 6006 (about $300 less than a new one) and a new sc-63 which price-wise, falls somewhere in between the refurb'd and new 6006s I've seen.

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The difference between the 7005 and 7007 is 4K capability and built in spotify. Unless your planning on an 80" or larger screen when they become affordable it's pretty much useless. Is spotify worth the price difference to you?
Unless I'm wrong I think those are the only real differences. The owners of the 7007's may throw rocks at me but I don't see the extra cost as being worth it. IMHO

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Good points. If I did go larger on screen size in the current room, max would be 75 inches, not 80. Not familiar with Spotify so I guess it would not be important to me.

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The larger screen behind the drop down door is a big plus over the 6006 also. I use an iPod for spotify via airplay through the 7005. If you get a 7005 just make sure it's from an authorized dealer so it will have the 3 year warranty.

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Hi Peter.
I'm not sure where you are in PA, but a week and a half agoI found an open box deal at Best Buy for a Marantz 6006 in Wilmington, DE (really close to the PA state line) with no sales tax for $427. If you are interested, I would check their website. At the time I looked they had more than one unit. I've been very happy with the unit so far.

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Hello!

If you are willing to go with the sc63 to save a **** bucks, well you can go down to the sc61 which is almost exactly the same than the 63... The 63 has a 200$ for features that are likely tio be used by custom installers only... If 4k upscaling isn't a requirement for you (available on sc65 and upwards) I think the sc61 would do the trick!

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Mandomoose,

Which BB - Concord Pike or Ferrand Drive? I've been to both since I used to work in Wilmington.

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Aarghon,

Thanks for pointing that out. No need paying for custom installer features when I'll be doing the install myself. Do you know anything about user friendliness of the sc-61?

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You can use this link to see the open box items in your area. Not sure how often they update their site so you might want to call to make sure they have it.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Clearance/Deals-Near-Me/pcmcat254400050000.c?id=pcmcat254400050000&DPSLogout=true&_requestid=137398&isLogout=true&ci_src=11138&AID=10474050&PID=4003003&SID=1et7lr6zcv0gu&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bestbuy.com%2Fsite%2FClearance%2FDeals-Near-Me%2Fpcmcat254400050000.c%3Fid%3Dpcmcat254400050000%26DPSLogout%3Dtrue%26_requestid%3D137398%26isLogout%3Dtrue%26ci_src%3D11138&ref=39&CJPID=4003003&loc=01
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xStanleyx,

That larger screen behind the flip down door is the one feature missing on the 6006 that I feel could significantly improve user-friendliness. If I were to lose the picture on my tv for any reason while having to go through the the AVR settings, I think it would be a bear trying to figure out settings using the porthole because it does not have the large display with more detailed information.

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That larger screen behind the flip down door is the one feature missing on the 6006 that I feel could significantly improve user-friendliness. If I were to lose the picture on my tv for any reason while having to go through the the AVR settings, I think it would be a bear trying to figure out settings using the porthole because it does not have the large display with more detailed information.

Right. I usually just keep the door down when in use and go by it. That small circular display is difficult to read at a distance. I see the one behind the door much easier. I have 65 year old eyes so maybe some of the younger guys with eagle eyes don't have that problem but I doubt it.

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Not trying to push you but getting a 7005 over a 6006 is a no brainer to me. Just my opinion. Now I'll have 6006 owners throwing stones at me. biggrin.gif

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Not trying to push you but getting a 7005 over a 6006 is a no brainer to me. Just my opinion. Now I'll have 6006 owners throwing stones at me. biggrin.gif


Reasons for 7005 over 6006? Would it make sense to get the 7006 over 7005?

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Reasons for 7005 over 6006? Would it make sense to get the 7006 over 7005?

There is no 7006.

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Peter, well.. User friendliness isn't a major strenght of the pioneer brand in general, hehe..

But I think it's related directly to the fact that you can customize your sound in such a huge number of parameters, that it couldn't be that simple even if Pioneer wanted to. Of course you'll surely have to do a little exploration to get what you want, but hey... isn't it a part of the audio passion? smile.gif

But I think that the extra work you'll have to do is realllllllly worth it... I thought that going from a Pioneer model to another would make it simple, but I did have to explorate all the tweaks I could do with it, and i'm still doing it... But even after a month, I'm still ameliorating my sound, and I don't even think it's up to it's full potential yet !

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Which BB - Concord Pike or Ferrand Drive? I've been to both since I used to work in Wilmington.

The one on Concord Pike. It was on a table of open box items near the Magnolia area of the store.
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The one on Concord Pike. It was on a table of open box items near the Magnolia area of the store.

Based on what's on the BB open box website listing, it doesn't look like they still have it. I'm off this week so I may just take a drive down there and see what they do have. Thanks for the tip!

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There is no 7006.

You're right - no sr7006. My bad. You're also right on that the 7005 looks like the way to go if I decide on Marantz over Pioneer. After checking it out online, even though the 7005 is several years old at this point, it has everything I'd like my next AVR to have. I see that A4L has refurbs of this model and Amazon has sellers offering new ones for a few hundred more than the A4L refurbs.

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The only difference would be you only get a 1 year warranty with a refurb and a 3 year warranty brand new, but you can also buy an extended warranty from AC4L for much less than you'd pay for a new in box unit.

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Decision Reached - Purchase Made! biggrin.gif

I bought the Pioneer Elite SC-65 after A/B'ing it against the Marantz 7007. After checking out the A/V stores in my area, the only place I was actually able to demo both the SC-65 (and SC-61) and Marantz SR7007 (and 7005) was at Best Buy. I went to several of their stores for multiple demo sessions over several days as well as to 4 high end, dedicated A/V shops who are Marantz dealers (of which only 1 had a 7007 to demo and no one carried Elite models) within 50 miles of my home.

While I found the Marantz AVRs sounded slightly better for stereo music (actually, the 7007 really sounded AWESOME in stereo), I thought the 2 Elite AVRs were better with surround sound after watching/re-watching the same dvd chapters from the same movie in all the stores where I could compare the 2 brands. Since the majority of our use will be for TV and movies, the Elite won out. Music-wise, the SC-65 should also give me everything I'll want for a great music listening experience as it was no slouch either when playing in stereo mode. However, I admit I would have chosen the Marantz if music were our primary use as I was really quite impressed with the stereo listening experience on the SR7007. Movie soundtracks on the 7007 were also quite good but for me, shy of what I'd heard through the SC-65. Along the same vein, I thought the SC-61 also performed all around very good as well.

Altough the SC-65 was not on sale, I brought with me several online dealer prices which helped me get $400 off Best Buy's non-sale price. It was more $ than I was planning to spend but I feel I came away with a potentially fantastic AVR with additional usable features that I can implement both now and in the future. I'm especially excited about the SC-65's class D amps and am looking forward to enjoying this AVR for years to come.

Thanks to all who chimed in with your helpful input. Now, if only there were an SC-65 thread that I could monitor. Since there is currently no "official" SC-65 thread, I've subscribed to the SC-61/63 and the SC-67/68 threads to hopefully get additional insight. Cheers smile.gif

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Note that what you likely weren't able to compare at Best Buy was how MCAAC in the Pioneer models compared to Audyssey in the Marantz models as Best Buy stores don't run the Auto EQ programs on their demo units. However, now that you have the SC-65 no reason you cannot start the "Official" thread yourself. smile.gif

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I can't get over how beautiful aesthetically and sonically the Marantz' sound. However, this is my advice.

Go to BestBuy, and purchase the SC-63 and have them price match it with Amazon. Almost a 1400 receiver for 800 (excluding tax). You can do the same with the SC-65, but I don't feel it's worth the extra money.
This is exactly what I did. I did the same thing when the SC-71 recently became available, but I didn't like how it sounded so I reverted back.
The SC-63 sounds fantastic with little tuning necessary. Again, I love Marantz, but I couldn't ignore the price for a D3 amplifier (which is a whole different level of performance).

Check it out. And good luck.
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