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Old 08-16-2014, 07:12 AM
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An echo? There's something else going on there. Have you run MCACC?
Yes..I did run the mcacc. I should rephrase by saying its more like a slight delay in the l/r channels making dialogue difficult to understand at times. Basically dialogue is not as clear when coming from all 3 speakers. If I could isolate dialogue to just the center channel, that would solve the issue. I'm using Polk monitor 60's for l/r and Polk CS2 for center.
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Yes..I did run the mcacc. I should rephrase by saying its more like a slight delay in the l/r channels making dialogue difficult to understand at times. Basically dialogue is not as clear when coming from all 3 speakers. If I could isolate dialogue to just the center channel, that would solve the issue. I'm using Polk monitor 60's for l/r and Polk CS2 for center.
I don't know what other options you should take. Maybe check your speaker wire condition/connections? Could be a problem with your AVR. Have you called Pioneer about this yet? If/when you do, can you share your experience and the remedy?

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SC65 - Sub out question : can i use only 1 sub out with a Y cable when using 2 subs instead of using both sub outs ??
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SC65 - Sub out question : can i use only 1 sub out with a Y cable when using 2 subs instead of using both sub outs ??
Yes. I do that with my speakers.
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Wishful thinking....but can this receiver be upgraded to decode Dolby Atmos with a firmware update?
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No, it can't. Will have to go to the most current model, SC-85 and higher.

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LOVE my SC-65! I've had it for awhile, and can't believe the sound that comes out of it.

However... I'm trying to get my entire music and video collection digitized. Data is stored on a WHS box, and using DVDFab 9.1x to digitize DVD's. Regular DVD's, and passing through audio is working. I'm struggling with BluRay and the connection between the Media PC and SC65.

Here is the ASRock H97M-ITX MB in the Media PC with Win7 Home. I don't believe WHS is impacting anything.
{link deleted due to low post count... Add the usual prefix to this to see the MB specs; .microcenter.com/product/433109/H97M-ITX_1150_mITX_Intel_Motherboard

Right now I have both HDMI and optical running between the PC and receiver. Sometimes it will use opt, sometimes HDMI. Tried Total Media Player, Windows Media Player (with the stupid virus laden codec), and Media Player Classic.

One BR disk, checking the meta data (don't recall the program, but it provided a lot of detail), showed it as six channel DTS. When it was ripped, it was done AVI with audio pass through. Playing the same disk on DVD player, SC65 indicated DTS HD, and it sounded every bit of HD.

I can not get the BR disk to play on the PC at all. Neither WMP nor classic with play it at all. Total media plays it, but without sound.

I'm definitely missing something here, as this should not be this difficult. I know I can rip to AC3 5.1 and it sounds great, but the original is better.

I'm pretty sure the SC65 is connected properly, but the PC and it are not playing nice. Will an add on video/sound card help resolve some of this issue? What price point is the best value or even which product? How about players, what requires the least amount of "help" to play right. WF is also an issue here, if it's too complicated to operate, I'll hear about it
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SC-65 is working just fine. Turns out it was both hardware and software issues.
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Current Setup:
AVR: Pioneer Elite SC-65
Fronts: Definitive Technology BP8060ST
Center: Definitive Technology CS8040HD
Surrounds: Definitive Technology Pro Monitor 1000 Bookshelf
Sub1: Definitive Technology SC-2000 (Elevated to ear level. Located behind seating)
Sub2: SVS SB-2000 (Final position TBD, currently in front stage)
Room Size: ~2800 cubic feet

At one time, I used both Sub outputs on my AVR to signal the SC-2000 sub and 8060ST woofers(SC-2000 located behind listening position.).

Since then, I have a new speaker configuration with only Sub Output 1 connected to the SC-2000. The BP8060ST's are connected with speaker wire only and are set as LARGE. I have enjoyed this configuration but want to see if I can get a little more.

I have heard nothing but great things about other sub brands and how I'm missing out on LFE performance with my current sub configuration. I saw a great deal on an SVS SB-2000 sub and I jumped on it. At the very least I would confirm if there really is a significant difference in LFE quality/quantity.

1. I changed no settings on the AVR and placed the SVS SB-2000 in the same elevated, rear position as my SC-2000. I set the gain control to the 1 o'clock position(just like my SC-2000), Phase set to 0 and LPF at LFE. I couldn't tell the difference.

2. I moved the SVS SB-2000 to the front stage. I accidentally went into the channel level settings and heard something strange. When the left/front channel was highlighted, it gave the tone in the left/front channel HOWEVER, it also pushed the tone to my DT SC-2000 sub. ???? The DT SC-2000 sub is connected to Sub Output 1. Does anyone know why this would happen?
- Also to note: When I selected the SW channel, ONLY the SVS SB-2000 sub (connected to Sub Output 2) sounded off. ????

3. So, I just went ahead and ran Full Auto MCACC. That was almost a big mistake. It set my fronts and surrounds as LARGE with the crossover set at 150Hz. LOL. I have NEVER received these results before with this AVR. Maybe because this is the first time I've run it with the elevated sub behind the listening position?

4. So, after those results, I went into the Manual SP setup and readjusted my settings. I set the fronts and surrounds to small with an 80Hz crossover setting. I turned up all of the speakers with woofer gains up to 1 o'clock.

I can hear the DT SC-2000 sub but can barely hear the SVS SB-2000 still. I do feel like every once in a while that sucker(SVS SB-2000) kicks in with a subtle, yet powerful thud. Must be the frequencies I cannot hear with the DT SC-2000?

Look, I am almost completely at a loss and I need some help. I feel that the issues I noted in #2 are the problem, but I don't know. Has anyone else had this issue? Am I worrying about nothing? Is this expected? Is there anything I'm missing/not doing? I really appreciate the help.

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Hello,

I have a question. Looking to get a new receiver, but came across this ad on Craigslist for a Pioneer Elite SC65 and he wants $600 obo. Didn't know if it was a good price or what I should offer. Also, with holiday sales coming up maybe I should hold out.

Lastly, there is a store not far from me that has the Denon x3100 for $750, which was a bit high for me but seems like a nice deal.

Any suggestions or advice?

My specs:
Size of room: 21' wide, 13' from couch to screen, 8' high.
TV: Benq W1070 Projector

Speakers: 2- Pioneer Andrew Jones: SP-FS52-LR's, 2- Pioneer Andrew Jones: SP-BS22-LR's. No center speaker at the moment. Was in the process of returning the whole Andrew Jones set (returned the center and subwoofer) and ended up getting stuck with these (long story). Looking for replacements and probably selling these.

Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD - It's still brand new in the box and have not opened it yet. Had it for a month, but I can't hook it up with a receiver now. Got it on sale for $499 new and couldn't pass it up, but it took weeks to get it.

Receiver: None. Had a Harman Kardon AVR 1710 a few weeks ago, but the HDMI went out within a month, so back to Amazon it went. Now I am back to the drawing board on on which receiver to get.

Thanks!

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Hello,

I have a question. Looking to get a new receiver, but came across this ad on Craigslist for a Pioneer Elite SC65 and he wants $600 obo. Didn't know if it was a good price or what I should offer. Also, with holiday sales coming up maybe I should hold out.

Lastly, there is a store not far from me that has the Denon x3100 for $750, which was a bit high for me but seems like a nice deal.

Any suggestions or advice?

My specs:
Size of room: 21' wide, 13' from couch to screen, 8' high.
TV: Benq W1070 Projector

Speakers: 2- Pioneer Andrew Jones: SP-FS52-LR's, 2- Pioneer Andrew Jones: SP-BS22-LR's. No center speaker at the moment. Was in the process of returning the whole Andrew Jones set (returned the center and subwoofer) and ended up getting stuck with these (long story). Looking for replacements and probably selling these.

Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD - It's still brand new in the box and have not opened it yet. Had it for a month, but I can't hook it up with a receiver now. Got it on sale for $499 new and couldn't pass it up, but it took weeks to get it.

Receiver: None. Had a Harman Kardon AVR 1710 a few weeks ago, but the HDMI went out within a month, so back to Amazon it went. Now I am back to the drawing board on on which receiver to get.

Thanks!

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Thats a good price for this AVR. Read about the auto calibration software before buying though. Pioneer Elites have MCACC. They use one crossover for all speakers and do not eq anything under 63Hz.

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Ok... So I did additional troubleshooting and found that my main zone sub output 2 is not sending a signal. I've been looking for solutions to turn the signal on but haven't found anything. Anyone have any suggestions?

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I have an sc05. Have a chance to buy a used sc65 that's doesn't have the remote or the mic. Would both my sc05 remotes and mic work with the sc65?
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I have an sc05. Have a chance to buy a used sc65 that's doesn't have the remote or the mic. Would both my sc05 remotes and mic work with the sc65?
Try calling their customer service. I have both the SC-61 and SC-65 and both remotes/mics work with each other. Don't know if that's saying much though.

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So I have had the SC-65 for almost 2 years now. It says its 4k ready with 4k pass through but my computer wont recognize the receiver as 4k so it wont let me change the display settings. If I run it straight to the TV is works fine but the TV won't send more than 2.1 audio out ( I have spoke with the manufacturer and they say thats the only option). So currently I can either watch 4k or listen to surround in 1080p. Has anyone else been able to get the 4k pass through to work. I'm currently in input 4 on the receiver. I don't see any settings to enable it. Please help. Thanks in advance.
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I've been using my SC-65 happily for quite some time. In the past few days it decided to give up on decoding an 'English DTS-HD MA 7.1' audio stream. I get silence from that audio output from a number or Blu-Ray disks that I have tested. Strangely it will decode play nicely the 'French DTS-HD NR 7.1' audio track of the Spanish one for that matter. It also faithfully handles the Dolby tracks.

I have an Oppo BDP-103 player and it is set to output the Bitstream. I have gone over the configurations on both units and there is nothing out of place. I had it setup correctly for many months.

Also, the receiver will not play the HD Surround output from a 5.1 Netflix movie/show played with my Roku 2. That was performing correctly before too.

So this is very odd. I am expecting that no one has seen this before.

Do any of you know what the latest firmware for this unit might be? It confirms the Pioneer website that I am up to date with 1-203-084-513-160. But I understand that if you have your receiver serviced (or perhaps get a brand new one) you may be given an even later version of firmware. I don't know if I have finally run into something that might be a known issue or something that has already been corrected.

I wonder if this is a copy protection encryption issue and my sources are no longer authenticating. I don't know.

Any thoughts?
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I've been using my SC-65 happily for quite some time. In the past few days it decided to give up on decoding an 'English DTS-HD MA 7.1' audio stream. I get silence from that audio output from a number or Blu-Ray disks that I have tested. Strangely it will decode play nicely the 'French DTS-HD NR 7.1' audio track of the Spanish one for that matter. It also faithfully handles the Dolby tracks.

I have an Oppo BDP-103 player and it is set to output the Bitstream. I have gone over the configurations on both units and there is nothing out of place. I had it setup correctly for many months.

Also, the receiver will not play the HD Surround output from a 5.1 Netflix movie/show played with my Roku 2. That was performing correctly before too.

So this is very odd. I am expecting that no one has seen this before.

Do any of you know what the latest firmware for this unit might be? It confirms the Pioneer website that I am up to date with 1-203-084-513-160. But I understand that if you have your receiver serviced (or perhaps get a brand new one) you may be given an even later version of firmware. I don't know if I have finally run into something that might be a known issue or something that has already been corrected.

I wonder if this is a copy protection encryption issue and my sources are no longer authenticating. I don't know.

Any thoughts?
More information...

I have a spare VSX-21TXH and just though I would connect it temporarily. Just pulling the HDMI cables and powering the VSX-21TXH and restarting the TV and Oppo player. Now this receiver reports successful DTS-HD decoding for the 'English DTS-HD MA 7.1' track. I wasn't going to take the time to move the speakers but from the display I am sure that the audio is there. I do have a set a banana plugs to add to the speaker connections but that is an effort for another day.

So I have some weird DTS-HD (English only) issue with the SC-65. Isn't this digital world wonderful? I remember when you plugged in an audio cable you got instant audio (and other obnoxious sounds letting you know you are good to go). You young guys out there don't realize how things are eroding given that it looks like we are making technical great strides.

The Roku 2 surround output is affected by this too. I wonder where the overlap is?
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The Roku 2 surround output is affected by this too. I wonder where the overlap is?
I hope everyone is having great holidays and all that goes with it.

Just to bring this to a close for the moment. This morning I decided to reinstall the SC-65 and test additional configuration settings. To my surprise the DTS-HD tracks and DD+ from Roku are all functional. It seems that I am back to fully operational. Of course, this all does wonders for one's confidence levels.

I had wanted to blame HDCP with the assumption that the audio streams that refused to render (no sound) were protected streams. Other bitstream audio properly decoded. Note that even the 'French DTS-HD NR 7.1' stream decoded fine during this. But since the video would come through undisturbed I suppose that HDCP was okay.

I know that the copy protection uses similar security protocols that the PC uses over Internet. So I could imagine that someone's certificate expired or something like that but while the SC-65 can be connected to the Internet I would think that this would not be required. But I'm just over-thinking this and giving the design too much credit. Who knows what happened (or if it will happen again). I have found posts out there describing some unreliable operation of the audio. For me, this is the first episode in years of use.

Very strange. Thanks for listening.
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Pioneer SC-65 and DTS-HD Master Audio issue's

bscloutier,

Strange as i'm seeing the very same issue. Watched Viking's on Blu-Ray, packing lists DTS-HD Master Audio, SC-65 only displays DTS on front panel. Some seem to work while others, especially Redbox rentals do not. Checked Oppo BDP93 settings and SC-65.....Oh well. At least i know i'm not going crazy and someone else is seeing this issue. I'm going to play some of my Blu-Ray's and verify they output normally. I'll let you know.

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I hope everyone is having great holidays and all that goes with it.

Just to bring this to a close for the moment. This morning I decided to reinstall the SC-65 and test additional configuration settings. To my surprise the DTS-HD tracks and DD+ from Roku are all functional. It seems that I am back to fully operational. Of course, this all does wonders for one's confidence levels.

I had wanted to blame HDCP with the assumption that the audio streams that refused to render (no sound) were protected streams. Other bitstream audio properly decoded. Note that even the 'French DTS-HD NR 7.1' stream decoded fine during this. But since the video would come through undisturbed I suppose that HDCP was okay.

I know that the copy protection uses similar security protocols that the PC uses over Internet. So I could imagine that someone's certificate expired or something like that but while the SC-65 can be connected to the Internet I would think that this would not be required. But I'm just over-thinking this and giving the design too much credit. Who knows what happened (or if it will happen again). I have found posts out there describing some unreliable operation of the audio. For me, this is the first episode in years of use.

Very strange. Thanks for listening.
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Strange as i'm seeing the very same issue...
I received a response from Pioneer's Product Support Group. It (not surprisingly) tells me to use the reset procedure from page 76 of the manual. I was gratified that they didn't go off trying to blame cables and player configurations.

So my issue with this went away. I am now wondering if this was corrected by removing power from the SC-65. I had completely disconnected it for a day or so while I used my VSX-21TXH which performed properly with all of the same player configurations. Upon reconnecting the SC-65 it began properly handling the digital bitstream. Maybe removing power provided the needed reset.

Personally I am not happy with responses like these in any support situation:
  1. Power off/on
  2. Unplug/plug back in (USB, HDMI, power cord)
  3. Perform factory reset

These are indicative of firmware failures and reflect on the quality of the original design and testing. Of course it is Product Support's goal to keep us happy and these things do expedite correcting the situation to that aim. You'd like to think that there is some connection between Product Support and the Engineering Group but I would bet that the departments are so divorced from one another (probably outsourced) that it is laughable.

If you are still having troubles try all of the reset routes to see if any help. Beyond that we're probably left with a procedure involving incantations, incenses and lengthy vigils.

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I received a response from Pioneer's Product Support Group. It (not surprisingly) tells me to use the reset procedure from page 76 of the manual. I was gratified that they didn't go off trying to blame cables and player configurations.

So my issue with this went away. I am now wondering if this was corrected by removing power from the SC-65. I had completely disconnected it for a day or so while I used my VSX-21TXH which performed properly with all of the same player configurations. Upon reconnecting the SC-65 it began properly handling the digital bitstream. Maybe removing power provided the needed reset.

Personally I am not happy with responses like these in any support situation:
  1. Power off/on
  2. Unplug/plug back in (USB, HDMI, power cord)
  3. Perform factory reset

These are indicative of firmware failures and reflect on the quality of the original design and testing. Of course it is Product Support's goal to keep us happy and these things do expedite correcting the situation to that aim. You'd like to think that there is some connection between Product Support and the Engineering Group but I would bet that the departments are so divorced from one another (probably outsourced) that it is laughable.

If you are still having troubles try all of the reset routes to see if any help. Beyond that we're probably left with a procedure involving incantations, incenses and lengthy vigils.

Bruce
bscloutier,

Glad to hear you are up and working. I'm going to try removing the power for while. I'm still seeing this issue. So hope this helps. Watched "Vikings" and "Guardians..." and both just displayed DTS Audio.
Thanks MikeR

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Glad to hear you are up and working. I'm going to try removing the power for while. I'm still seeing this issue. So hope this helps. Watched "Vikings" and "Guardians..." and both just displayed DTS Audio.
Thanks MikeR
Unplugged SC-65 for half hour....no luck. Did you reset your Receiver, or just disconnect the power.
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Unplugged SC-65 for half hour....no luck. Did you reset your Receiver, or just disconnect the power.
bscloutier,

I'm up an running......reset SC-65 and then verified Bitstream settings. It's now work's fine. Showing DTS-HD Master Audio on front display!!!. Needed to power everything off and then back on ( HDMI Handshake issue!?!?!) before it worked. Whew!!!!

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im playing sirius xm thru my receive (sc-1527-k) however it does not let me see all available channels? i am using avcontrol2012 as remote.. does anyone know how to update this? i also tried navigating vie front panel buttons and still no option to input radio channel manually. this is dumb there has to e a way to reprogram it. example i cant play channel 86. but if i login online i can . just not thru the receiver.

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Well, I'm finally able to enjoy my SC-65 that I bought open box for sub $400 out the door from Best Buy last Jan (14). It only took 3 trips to the repair shop, one to Pioneers only certified repair shop in SoCal, and two to Best Buy after another associate told me that the guy who told me that I'd have to pay to get it fixed since I didn't buy the warranty.

Very frustrating experience, but I'm happy now, enjoying Sirius, Pandora, Bi-amped fronts, and this weekend, I'll be running some speaker wire to zone 2 to some in-ceiling speakers.

In the mean-time, I used some eBay earnings for a Denon X3000 which was what I wanted originally, and let me tell you, this was the first Denon that I've ever had that I wasn't thrilled about. It doesn't compare at all the the SC-65, but once I set it up in the bedroom, I'll be happy. It will be replacing a Denon AVR 2801. The SC-65 is the first non-Denon receiver/amp that I ever bought. Every single Denon that I've bought is still in use. I'm hoping I have as good of luck w/the Elite.

Loving the bluetooth dongle, the iPad app, and the quality of sound. I'm pushing Klipsh RF-3s in the front, RC-3, and RS-3s in the rear. My sub is an RW-10 (I think).

I have some RB-3s as well that I was able to use in my old place, but the current room just doesn't have the space for them.
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SC-25 - No Video Outputs are working

Hello all.

I recently moved and plugged my Sc-25 back into the system while setting up the home theater at the new location. I am getting no output from both HDMI outputs. All the devices are plugged in correctly. TV is setup correctly. I have tried the following methods.

1) Reset receiver
2) Unplugged it.
3) HDMI output is set for "All".

Any help will be very much appreciated. I have been messing with this for 2 days now. I am afraid that maybe the receiver broke while I was moving it. I moved it personally and was very careful. All the other functions works fine to my knowledge. Just no output at all from the receiver.

Thank You

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Hello! Does anyone have the SC-65 hooked up to a mac mini? I'm unable to get the mac mini to send multi-channel audio to the receiver. Specifically, the only output option under 'System Preferences > Audio' is the "built in" "internal speakers". I did find out, however, that once I disconnect the projector from the receiver, the mac mini will allow multi-channel output. It would appear that when a projector is hooked up, the mac mini "sees" a display device as opposed to a device that can receive audio. Are there settings on the mac mini or the SC-65 that I can change to fix this problem? Thanks for any replies!
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For the sub woofer , change the speaker setting front speaker to small, this will activate the LFE Channel


And for the other problem hit the raciever button on your remote to select menue and other settings controles
Thank you. This helped me out today. For the past month, after using Aud. my Subwoofer was not working and I could not for the life of me figure out why. I did a search here for "subwoofer" and this response came up and I went to my receiver and walla, Aud. set my speakers to Large (not sure why). I reset it to small and all good now. Yey!


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Been loving my SC-65 the past couple years -- just yesterday, however, the sound started rapidly cutting in and out.
Looking at the front panel, it looks like the unit is constantly trying to figure out what the signal is.

Anyone else have this experience? Is there a reset function on this? I can't seem to find one via the receiver menu, so I've tried unplugging it for several minutes with no change...

Service center visit in my future?
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