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Yeah, HDMI is a cluster...

I am in fact still having problems, just not as often as previously. I like everything else about this receiver, just not the part where I get no image on screen.

The order in which you power stuff up can make all the difference.
If you use a universal remote, always make sure the display comes up first, then avr then source.

Turn off stuff like HEC and passthrough display. (or turn them on if previously off!)
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The order in which you power stuff up can make all the difference.
If you use a universal remote, always make sure the display comes up first, then avr then source.

Turn off stuff like HEC and passthrough display. (or turn them on if previously off!)
See a big cluster.rolleyes.gif

Start up order does appear to be a part of the picture, but not entirely. I had some friends over the other day, and we were watching 'Dredd', and after the previews when the A/V format switched for the movie menu, it lost display again. I popped the disc out, and put it back in, and then it worked the second time. Go figure
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Start up order does appear to be a part of the picture, but not entirely. I had some friends over the other day, and we were watching 'Dredd', and after the previews when the A/V format switched for the movie menu, it lost display again. I popped the disc out, and put it back in, and then it worked the second time. Go figure

Is your player set to AUTO on playback?
Maybe force it to 1080p?
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Is your player set to AUTO on playback?
Maybe force it to 1080p?

HDMI issues can often be very difficult to solve. I always check and change cables one at a time as a first step. The length of the cable can often make a difference from the player to the pre-amp. I don't suggest using very short cables. For some reason they can and do cause HDMI errors. This was told to me by several processor manufactures. So far I have had good success using Redmere cables from Monoprice. They have resolved some by not all HDMI issues for me.

I would also make another suggestion that to get the best results from the UMC 200 one should set the corossover and speaker size after running Auto EmQ I would also suggest that one be very careful with microphone placement.
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Forced output of resolution is always better than Auto...it removes a handshake protocol from the connection. (It only has to query that one resolution versus all resolutions).

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Forced output of resolution is always better than Auto...it removes a handshake protocol from the connection. (It only has to query that one resolution versus all resolutions).

Well, the player was set to 1080p output. I changed it to source direct, doubt it will help but might as well try something different.
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Question regarding a Zone feature of the UMC-200. My living room has 5.1 and my adjoining kitchen has stereo. For some TV viewing, I'd like to have the HDMI 1 audio (from Windows Media Extender) also output to Zone 2. Is that possible with the UMC-200? Thanks.

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I just swapped out my UMC-1/UPA-500 combo for the Sherbourn SR-8100 which was on clearance for $549. It's basically a UMC-200 and UPA-700 in one chassis. I'm running Episode in-walls and four 18" drivers in an IB line array, with a Behringer amp. I set it up Sunday night in a rack and did more setup tonight with the AutoEQ and did some listening. The EQ definitely improved the sounds of the mains.....there was on odd resonance I was hearing in voices; gone now.

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I just bought a umc200 today. Will come.next.week and I will see how it compares to my denon receiver . I have a parasound amp that is way more powerful then.the denon
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I have the SR 8100 as well. Too bad Emotiva is selling off the products as I thought they looked better. This little guy still has some quirks and I am still getting used to it and making sure it is not user error but I can tell you guys this. I replaced a $20000 rack with this and it is just as good. Of course I have the perfect speaker match that requires little power but man, it sounds awesome! I have video drop outs and you can not set each speaker with a different cross as it groups them together but since my speakers are identical it is OK. I will write up a full review(just my experiences, nothing fancy) but just more of the same here.
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Posted in my own thread, but figured I would cc it here. Thanks for your help everyone!

Hello all,

Currently running an Onkyo TX-SR705 to a system comprised of the Andrew Jones Pioneers (first generation). I stumbled across the Sherbourn merger sale, and I like the idea of their receivers. I know the SR-8100 is an Emotiva UMC-200 and UPA-700 smashed into the same chassis. Can be had for $549. The SR-120 appears to be a behemoth, but I know less about it. THAT can be had for $459. My question to you folks here is this: am I making a worthwhile upgrade going to any of these? I should be able to sell my Onkyo locally for approx. $200, and the wife won't let me just add an amp to the Onkyo's processing capabilities.

Any opinions are greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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you can not set each speaker with a different cross as it groups them together but since my speakers are identical it is OK.

do you have the latest firmware? I just played with mine last night and I can set individual crossover settings per channel.

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The SR-120 appears to be a behemoth, but I know less about it. THAT can be had for $459. My question to you folks here is this: am I making a worthwhile upgrade going to any of these?

Yes...that's a cheap upgrade, IMHO.

They just added the SR-120 as it wasn't there a few days ago. I'm conflicted...I bought a spare SR8100 in case my Yamaha comes back and wasn't fixed under warranty. Now, seeing this SR-120, I'm kicking myself a bit....its cheaper and more what I need for that system.

My one issue with the SR8100 is the lack of preamp outputs. The SR120 has them, but no balanced sub output (which the SR8100 has). For my basement system where the 8100 lives, I NEED balanced out. For my upstairs, I can go either way; my JL Fathom will accept either. Dammmmit. LOL. I *should* order the 120 as its a killer deal but I already have the spare 8100 I need to part with....hard to do when they're still available.
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Haha, welcome to my dilemma. I have no need for the balanced output, but I really liked the bluetooth option (as well as the HDMI pass-thru) of the SR-8100. I would be fairly certain it has the power I need, but still...that SR-120 looks like a frickin STEAL. Gah.
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The 8100 has a newer HDMI and 3d pass thru I believe even though I don't use it. I had my 8100 for 2 weeks now did it have a firmware update since then? I would have thought brand new I comes as upgraded as possible. How does one update them? I guess I could read the manual.
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Haha, welcome to my dilemma. I have no need for the balanced output, but I really liked the bluetooth option (as well as the HDMI pass-thru) of the SR-8100. I would be fairly certain it has the power I need, but still...that SR-120 looks like a frickin STEAL. Gah.

Below is more info on that SR120 that came out in 2010.

http://www.ecoustics.com/products/sherbourn-sr-120-av-receiver/
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Thanks, phantom. Do you know, when it says "video pass through," does that include audio as well? Sometimes, I just want to be able to play my PS3 not in surround...or, perhaps I should rephrase, my wife doesn't want me playing the PS3 in surround all the time wink.gif.
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thanks for the link....it explains why I couldn't reconcile some of the features....it didn't dawn on me its an older model. I saw the 1.3 spec on the HDMI and that should have been a giveaway.
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Thanks, phantom. Do you know, when it says "video pass through," does that include audio as well? Sometimes, I just want to be able to play my PS3 not in surround...or, perhaps I should rephrase, my wife doesn't want me playing the PS3 in surround all the time wink.gif.

You should be able to set the sound output on the AVR for that source to stereo IIRC.
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I have the SR 8100 as well. Too bad Emotiva is selling off the products as I thought they looked better. This little guy still has some quirks and I am still getting used to it and making sure it is not user error but I can tell you guys this. I replaced a $20000 rack with this and it is just as good. Of course I have the perfect speaker match that requires little power but man, it sounds awesome! I have video drop outs and you can not set each speaker with a different cross as it groups them together but since my speakers are identical it is OK. I will write up a full review(just my experiences, nothing fancy) but just more of the same here.

Waiting for your review of the SR 8100
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In Emotiva's case it's a pretty long corner. wink.gif
Very long indeed, yes...rolleyes.gif
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Have no fear as life will go on and as far as I'm concerned will be much better wink.gif. I was banned a few weeks ago and as much as I was pissed at the time it is for the better. If what I posted was inappropriate in any way I would understand why I was banned. But asking questions about the UMC-200's new FW was not inappropriate in any way IMO. I have no intention of posting there when the ban is over. Too much drama and dealing with a select few over there that think Emotiva can do no wrong just gets old.

Hi Bill,

Spot on. Being banned from the Lounge is an extremely easy exercise. rolleyes.gif AFAIK, you were only locked out for 30 days. I was banned for 10 years (April 2010 - April 2020), basically a life sentence. biggrin.gif And all I did was voicing my disgust about Emotiva´s dishonest marketing, Big M.. sorry Big D´s constant flow of lies (promises) regarding product releases, fw updates and so forth and calling a spade for a spade regarding the ridiculous fanboyism at the Lounge. eek.gif

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I actually went down to Emofest this weekend. Release date on the XMC-1 is Feb 14th and MSRP will be $1999 with Dirac processing (not the full version).
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What year"

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2014. They had demo units running and a rep from Dirac was there demoing their tech.

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So what one's this truncated version of Dirac supposed to allow the user to do? Also, wasn't the original price something like $1500?

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So what one's this truncated version of Dirac supposed to allow the user to do? Also, wasn't the original price something like $1500?

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True enough, Rich. JCP's approach of just offering low prices with essentially no sales was disastrous. People like sales!

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I have a new Panasonic TC-P65VT60 and the venerable Onkyo TX-SR875 in a 7.1 home theater. I am starting to think about how I can get 3D and am considering moving from an integrated home theater receiver to a preamp + amp configuration so I can avoid buying new amplification every generation. I am considering a UMC-200 and using the amplification from my 875 as an intermediate configuration for perhaps the next year or two while I consider options things like the forthcoming XPA-7. Here are my questions:

Does the UMC-200 have an all channel stereo mode?

Does it have a good all-around mode (like my 875's "Neural THX 7.1") that will generate 7.1 from 2.0 and 5.1 sources?

Any major disappointements moving from Audyssey to EmoQ? I think the ability to see and adjust the results of the EmoQ sounds pretty great compared to the Audyssey black box.

Any horror stories about using a HT receiver such as my 875 as a 7 channel amplifier?
The 875's semi-questionably powered and smokin' hot 145WPC have actually never let me down as an integrated receiver.
I am hoping that the MULTI-CH RCA inputs on my 875 will bypass volume control and other processing.

Any known issues with redmere cables? I use a 40ft monoprice HDMI between my equipment closet and my display.

How do firmware updates get accomplished? One of my few concerns is that the UMC-200 doesn't have an ethernet port.

If I find one used at some point, is there a legacy hardware version I should look out for? What version is in production now, and is it considered stable by you guys?

When people switch to a preamp + amp, setup, is it reasonable to expect that you can plan on a long lifespan for your amp? I was hoping to move from a 7 year depreciation schedule on an integrated HT receiver to a shorter cycle on preamp and an indefinite (10+ year) lifespan for the amplifier. I don't tend to stress my components much with hard use, poor grounding, or poor power.

Any other gotcha's? Honestly the UMC-200 appears to be almost too good to be true. As far as I can find, there are no refurbs for sale and pretty much no one is selling them used, despite the looming HDMI2.0 update's potential impact on their value. This makes me think people love them. Onkyo's top of the line integrated receiver at $3K looks like it may actually be inferior to my current receiver plus this $500 preamp for the purposes of my theater. That makes me wonder what I am missing.
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I have a new Panasonic TC-P65VT60 and the venerable Onkyo TX-SR875 in a 7.1 home theater. I am starting to think about how I can get 3D and am considering moving from an integrated home theater receiver to a preamp + amp configuration so I can avoid buying new amplification every generation. I am considering a UMC-200 and using the amplification from my 875 as an intermediate configuration for perhaps the next year or two while I consider options things like the forthcoming XPA-7. Here are my questions:

Does your Bluray player have two HDMI outputs? If it does you could use one output for 3D video (to the 65VT60) and the other for audio (875). That way you don not have to buy a new processor.

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