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post #1 of 8 Old 01-08-2013, 07:56 AM - Thread Starter
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Hi,
I'm planning to buy a New Home Theater.

I would like to make a comparison between these 2 budget receivers and then ask your opinion about them. As I know here FM have much more experience with AVRs, they can point out the specifications which looks good on brochure and which do matter in real listening condition.

As far my needs are concerned I need to clarify them because the comparison will be based on them.

I like bright sound as long as it does not cause ear fatigue and also need an AVR which can create big sound-stage. I like bass, as long as it stays low and don't cloud the mid-range.

  1. My requirement is 80% Movie and 10% TV and 10% Music.
  2. My room size is 12X14
  3. I will be using satellites or bookshelves, NO floorstanders
  4. Network features and Apple compatibility is not required
  5. Zone 1 Zone 2 is not mandatory but is a welcome feature
  6. USB playback


My short listed AVRs are >

Onkyo TX-SR313





ADVANCED FEATURES
HDMI® Support for 3D, Audio Return Channel, DeepColor™, x.v.Color™, LipSync, Dolby® TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio™, DVD-Audio, Super Audio CD, Multichannel PCM, and CEC
Direct Digital Connection of iPod/iPhone via Front-Panel USB Port
Dolby® TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio™, Dolby® Digital Plus, DTS-HD High-Resolution Audio™ Decoding
WRAT (Wide Range Amplifier Technology)
Discrete Output Stage Circuitry
Overlaid On-Screen Display (OSD) via HDMI

AMPLIFIER FEATURES
100 W/Ch (6 Ohms, 1 kHz, 1% THD, 1 Channel Driven, IEC);
120 W/Ch (6 Ohms, 1 kHz, 1 Channel Driven, JEITA)
H.C.P.S. (High Current Power Supply) Massive High Power Transformer
Optimum Gain Volume Circuitry
PLL (Phase Locked Loop) Jitter-Cleaning Circuit Technology for S/PDIF Audio

PROCESSING FEATURES
TI Burr-Brown 192 kHz/24-Bit DACs for All Channels
Advanced 32-Bit Processing DSP Chip
4 DSP Modes for Gaming: Rock, Sports, Action, and RPG (Role Playing Game)
Advanced Music Optimizer for Compressed Digital Music Files
Theater-Dimensional Virtual Surround Function
CinemaFILTER™
Direct Mode
Double Bass Function
Non-Scaling Configuration
A-Form Listening Mode Memory

CONNECTION FEATURES
4 HDMI Inputs and 1 Output
Front-Panel USB Port
Mass Storage Class USB Memory Playback Capability
HDTV-Capable (720p/1080i) Component Video Switching (2 Inputs and 1 Output)
5 Composite Video Inputs (1 Front/4 Rear) and 2 Outputs
3 Digital Audio Inputs (2 Optical and 1 Coaxial)
6 Analog Audio Inputs (1 Front/5 Rear) and 1 Output
Subwoofer Pre-Out
Speaker A/B Terminals
Color-Coded Speaker Terminals
Headphone Jack

OTHER FEATURES
Crossover Adjustment (40 / 50 / 60 / 70 / 80 / 90 / 100 / 120 / 150 / 200 Hz)
A/V Sync Control (Up to 400 ms at 48 kHz)
Tone Control (Bass/Treble) for Front L/R Channels
3-Mode Display Dimmer (Normal/Dim/Dimmer)
40 FM/AM Random Presets
RIHD (Remote Interactive over HDMI) for System Control
Compatible with RI (Remote Interactive) Dock for iPod/iPhone
Full-Function RI Remote Control

GENERAL SPECIFICATIONS
Power Output: 100 W/Ch (6 Ohms, 1 kHz, 1% THD, 1 Channel Driven, IEC)
120 W/Ch (6 Ohms, 1 kHz, 1 Channel Driven, JEITA)
Frequency Response: 5 Hz–100 kHz/+1 dB, -3 dB (DSP Bypass)
Dimensions (W x H x D): 435 x 150 x 318 mm
Weight: 7.6 kg

Next one is > Denon AVR-1513





Main Features

High-quality sound design brushed up circuit configuration and housing design
Front HDMI input for easy connection of smart phones and video cameras
Front USB input for easy enjoyment of music in an iPod or iPhone
Space saving design Depth reduced 63 mm, height reduced 11 mm
Easy-to-use interface



Front HDMI input for easy connection of smart phones and video cameras

Equipped at the front with HDMI input allow you to easily enjoy the increasing number of devices equipped with HDMI video output, such as video cameras, smart phones, and game consoles.

Front USB input for easy enjoyment of music in an iPod or iPhone

Equipped on the front panel with a USB terminal that supports digital connection to an iPod or iPhone. This allows you to easily enjoy in high-quality sound the music saved in an iPod or iPhone.

Space saving design Reduced to 63 mm depth, 11 mm height

TV racks are becoming increasingly lower and shorter in depth accompanying the advancement of larger, thinner displays. The AVR-1513 internal construction has been redesigned to reduce the depth by 63 mm and the height by 11 mm to improve the ability to install it in the latest TV racks. The external design has also been redone. This new product design is modern and smart and expresses DENON’s objective of achieving both refinement and power. This is a simple but powerful DENON new-generation AV component design.

Easy-to-use interface

Equipped with a Setup Assistant function that provides guidance on the television screen from connection to initial setup and a Quick Select function that allows up to 4 frequently used setups to be recorded and recalled with one touch. Features a Graphical User Interface (GUI) with Japanese language support that can be overlay displayed on HDMI video. Comes with a special easy-to-use remote controller for operating the AV amplifier. All of these were designed to make operation simple even for beginners.

Other features

Latest HDMI terminals for handling 3D video transmissions
Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio support
Compressed Audio Restorer for demodulating compressed sound sources to close to the original sound source
FM/AM radio tuner
Sleep timer that can be set from 10 to 120 minutes
User friendly instruction manual in CD-ROM for easy reference



SPECIFICATION

Power amplifier section

Rated output / *THD figures are power amp stage values.

Front L/R
75 W + 75 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, THD 0.08 %)
110 W + 110 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, THD 0.7%)
Center
75 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, THD 0.08 %)
110 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, THD 0.7%)
Surround L/R
75 W + 75 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, THD 0.08 %)
110 W + 110 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, THD 0.7%)
Maximum output power
130W (6ohm 1kHz, 1 Channel Driven, IEC)

Preamplifier section

Input sensitivity/impedance
200 mV / 47 kΩ/kohms
Frequency response
10 Hz - 100 kHz - +1, -3 dB (DIRECT mode)
S/N Ratio
98 dB (IHF-A weighted, DIRECT mode)

FM section

Tuning frequency range
87.5 - 108 MHz

General

Power supply
AC 230 V, 50/60 Hz
Power consumption
330 W (Standby 0.5 W)
Dimensions (W x H x D)
434 x 151 x 319 mm
Weight
7.8 kg


Is it true that Denon has warmer sound than Onkyo? Which one should I go for? I don't wanna spend next 3 years for HT. So reliability is a concern.
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Very Strange, No replies till yet?
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My requirement is 80% Movie and 10% TV and 10% Music.
My room size is 12X14
I will be using satellites or bookshelves, NO floorstanders
Network features and Apple compatibility is not required
Audyssey or any other proprietary auto sound calibration is a must.
Zone 1 Zone 2 is not mandatory but is a welcome feature
USB playback

If Audyssey is a must why are you picking two receivers that DON"T have Audyssey? confused.gif
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hmm seems I messed up typing. I corrected it. No I rely on my ears for calibration. Why do I need machine to do the job when my ears can do it better. On second thought I think I will consider Yamaha rx v 373. I'm reading too many failure stories with Denon 1612.
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You ears can't do it better but if you think they can that's all that matters.

Good luck with the Yamaha! that one does have YPAO room correction so you have the option to try it or not. At least you have a choice.
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You ears can't do it better but if you think they can that's all that matters.

What about his ears and a decibel meter?
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After audition : Yamaha sounds lean compared to Denon which has a bold soundsignature. The Bass of Denon is spot-on whereas Yamaha has musical sweet sound which is not best suited for movies. Now I think Denon can be a better choice for me.

Am I missing any point?
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If you watch movies more than listen to the music you can choose denon 1.gif
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