Thank you for the responce , going to the 818 is out of the question and while yes the 515 and 616 have been problematic this has not been a issue for everyone and i believe onkyo gives a 2 year warranty so i am not so worried. I def. do not want last years products , i am interested in audyssey but if its going to take me over $350 its out of the question. I just want something with a easy setup , 3d & 7.1 capable and something that will be able to tune and give my speakers good sound that i can hook up all my consoles and tv. My problem right now is my setup is 6-7 years old and the center channel is horrible. I will be watching movies with friends and family and it is so hard to hear characters voices over the other sounds the speakers are producing. so i already got the new speakers and now i need a amp in the $250-$350 range.