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Hi I will soon be purchasing 2 svs ultra towers and a rythmik fv15hp sub. I have a ps3, satelite tv and a sony bravia hx850 led tv. I am not sure what equipment will be best for this setup. I am not too sure how much I want to spend yet, I guess I will see what people think and then decide my budget from their but it will definitely not be over $2000. I will mostly be listening to digital music but will be watching a few movies as well. Thanks in advance for any advice.
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Do you ever plan to expand beyond the 2.1 setup? What about passing audio to additional rooms/zones (eg. back patio/deck/office/bedroom)? With that budget, I would suggest the Denon 4520CI (review first few posts in the Owner's thread below). Give Mike over at AVS sales a call for their best price on any model you decide to go with. For something less costly, also consider the Marantz 6007 or Denon 3313CI.

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For an amp I was looking at the emotiva XPA-2 and my room is 15ft by 30ft but not a perfect rectangle and opens up to the hallway.
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Likely no additional amp would be required with any of the models suggested as they are 8-ohm speakers.

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Likely no additional amp would be required with any of the models suggested as they are 8-ohm speakers.

So I am guessing I would need an avr and a dac then?
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So I am guessing I would need an avr and a dac then?

My advice would be to get any receiver with Audyssey XT32, if there is one within your budget.
Just about any receiver today will have the abilty to play streamed music in one form or another and the quality of DACs in receivers now is excellent. I think an external DAC would be a waste of money, as would an external amp if you get a receiver. Read the Amplifier FAQ sticky at the top of this section, it'll give you an idea of what you need power wise.
The strength of XT32 and it's benefits should easily trump any potential DAC, amp or even brand difference.
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So I am guessing I would need an avr and a dac then?

You seem focused on separates. Are you not open to the idea of an AVR handling everything? In addition to the thread suggested above, also suggest reading the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig which contains a compilation of the most asked questions posted in the Official Audyssey thread.

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You seem focused on separates. Are you not open to the idea of an AVR handling everything? In addition to the thread suggested above, also suggest reading the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig which contains a compilation of the most asked questions posted in the Official Audyssey thread.

I am just learning as I am going and I had been told that I would need an amp so I figured I would go the separates route but if that is not the case I would be more than happy to get a receiver. I will check out the aforementioned threads. Any recommendations for a receiver for under $1500 with Audyssey XT32? I had been recommended the Oppo BDP 105? would that do the trick for what I am looking at?
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You seem focused on separates. Are you not open to the idea of an AVR handling everything? In addition to the thread suggested above, also suggest reading the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig which contains a compilation of the most asked questions posted in the Official Audyssey thread.

I am just learning as I am going and I had been told that I would need an amp so I figured I would go the separates route but if that is not the case I would be more than happy to get a receiver. I will check out the aforementioned threads. Any recommendations for a receiver for under $1500 with Audyssey XT32?

I'd rather teach you how to fish than give you a filet.

To get an AVR witn Audyssey XT32 it pretty has to be a Denon or Onkyo because Pioneer and Yamaha don't do Audyssey.

Go to each manufacturer's site, order their AVRs by price, and look at the details for each one to see what flavor of Audyssey they support.
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I had been recommended the Oppo BDP 105? would that do the trick for what I am looking at?

Spending the big bucks on a Blu Ray player makes very little sense if you have an AVR with digital inputs, good speaker management, etc. The AVR pretty well duplicates most of the functions on the high end Blu Ray player that you are paying the big bucks for in the BD player. Actually, the AVR generally not only duplicates but surpasses. Ever see a BD player with Audyssey?

If you are bound and determined to exploit the fancy analog domain components of that high end player, you are going to have to bypass the digital components in the AVR which includes bass management and automated system tuning (e.g. Audyssey). It just makes no sense!
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The predecessor to the 4520CI is the 4311CI which also has XT32, but is tough to find. You may also want to consider the Onkyo 818 which also has XT32. Also, although XT32 is the top version of Audyssey, the next lower version XT (6007, 3313CI) would also serve you very well. The Oppo 105 is a Blu Ray player .... your PS3 handles that for you now.

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I am just learning as I am going and I had been told that I would need an amp so I figured I would go the separates route but if that is not the case I would be more than happy to get a receiver. I will check out the aforementioned threads. Any recommendations for a receiver for under $1500 with Audyssey XT32? I had been recommended the Oppo BDP 105? would that do the trick for what I am looking at?

The Oppo's are excellent, but there isn't much point to feeding the receiver an analog signal especially if you're using Audyssey since the processing would be done twice. So I'd go with the BDP103.
It's been a while since I bought any gear, and I recall reading that the PS3 was one of the better blu ray players on the market, so why wouldn't you just use that?
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I will check out the aforementioned threads.

Do a little reading in the Audio Theory, Setup & Chat section too and learn about speaker placement and room treatments. A bit of effort there before using Audyssey will go a long way.
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Thanks heaps for all the advice. If I am almost exclusively going to be listening to mp3s is there something I should be looking for in particular in a receiver?
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The amp is a great deal but the UMC-200 is not IMHO. I would advise getting a receiver with pre-outs rather than the UMC-200. I'm currently running a Denon 4520 with three Emotiva amps and a Behringer EP4000 for the subs.
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Thanks heaps for all the advice. If I am almost exclusively going to be listening to mp3s is there something I should be looking for in particular in a receiver?

Well most of of today's receivers have a "restorer" type of feature for mp3's so look for that.
Emotiva's pre's currently have a reputation for being a bit buggy. You won't need external amps, it's a complete waste if you get a decent receiver.

I would only look at an all Emotiva set up when their new pre-amp comes out with TaCT's room correction, and even then only after it proves to be stable. TaCT had one of the best RC's I've heard in a 2ch set up, it's what got me interest in room corrections in the first place. Who knows what "level" of correction TaCT is licensing to Emotiva though...

If I was buying right this minute, it would be an Audyssey XT or XT32 equipped receiver plain and simple.
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