Originally Posted by tential
I'm starting to wonder if I need the SC-1222-K. The main thing I want is preouts. I wanted the SC-1222-K because I can't get hte TX-NR809 which is what I really want. However, I've heard that Pioneer's onscreen set up isn't too great. If I intend to buy an external amp (will purchase at the same time), I'm starting to think the TX-NR709 is probably the best choice for me (it's 320 refurbished right now). I still get MultiEQ from the 809, I really don't even know what I'm missing out by stepping down to the 709 if I use an amplifier. The SC-1222-K seems like the only reason I'd get it over the 809 or the 709 is if I prefer Pioneer's MCACC.
Anyone got any comments on that since the SC-1222-K deal ends tonight.
I actually HAD the Onkyo 809. Is their UI a little better? Yes. Is it spectacular? no.
I think a lot of people call the UI cheesy just because its not pretty with spinny 3d graphics, etc. But it does what it needs to do (work).
A few things I missed from the 809:
individual xover settings for channels, not a big deal if you have relatively same size speakers.
on-screen volume display, but Ive gotten over that
ability to set reference levels, volume increase, etc based on incoming format. I dont think the Pio could do this, the Onkyo could (which was handy since DTS seems so much lower than everything else)
BUT...the Pio runs MUCH cooler, even in "standby". I think the Onkyo was drawing quite a bit of power to use HDMI pass through, etc. I believe theyve solved it with the 818, but the 818 was even more expensive than the Pio. I also like the fact that you can actually see what MCACC does, and you can tweak individual parts of it. With Audyssey its set and forget. If you try to tweak something you disable all of the Audyssey chosen values, and I think there are values that only Audyssey can touch so its not like you can mimick the whole Audyssey setup and just change one or two values.
And, the elephant in the room: has Onkyo really solved their HDMI woes? Not sure anyone can tell yet, since it looks like they dont pop up until 2 or 3 years into ownership, and even the 809 isnt 2 years old yet.