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Specification PDFs linked.
VSX-523
VSX-823
VSX-1023
VSX-1123

Elite VSX-70


VSX-523 - 8.3Kg - 415W - 5.1 channel - 80Wpc
HDMI - 4 in, 1 out
Composite - 2 in, 1 out
SPDIF - 1 coax, 1 optical
Stereo - 3 in

OSD menu on composite only
4K Pass-through
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VSX-823 - 8.5kg - 450W - 5.1 channel - 80Wpc
Adds:
HDMI - 5 in, 1 front - MHL
OSD menu on HDMI
MHL 2.0 - DLNA 1.5 - AirPlay, HTC Connect, Pandora
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VSX-1023 - 9.2kg - 520W - 7.1 channel - 80Wpc
Adds:
Component - 1 in, 1 out
IR - 1 in, 1 out
Zone 2 - 2 channel amplified.
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VSX-1123 - 9.8kg - 550W - 7.2 channel - 90Wpc
Adds:
HDMI - 7+1 in - 2 out.
Composite - 3 in
Component - 1 in, 0 out
Pre-out - front L+R

Zone HD - secondary HDMI output to different zone
Zone 2 - 2 channel amplified, stereo pre-out, composite out.

4K Upscaling
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Elite VSX-70 - 9.8Kg - 550W - 7.2 channel - 90wpc
Adds:
Component - 2 in, 1 out
12V trigger
RS232C

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Compared to last year's models:
Slight cosmetic change. VSX-1023 pictured above, but all four models look similar.
Amplifier sections same as last years models.
4K support .
MHL support for front HDMI inputs (except VSX-523)
Analogue just barely hanging on now, even non-HDMI digital audio inputs are down to a minimum.

VSX-1023 is a bit odd. It gains a component output since last year, which makes no sense to me. Last year both the 1022 and 1122 and inputs only, this year the 1023 adds an output, but the 1123 doesn't.

VSX-1123 / Elite VSX-70 are the only interesting ones. New features from last year include
4K Upscaling, not just pass-through, using unidentified QDEO processing.
Video on zone 2 (composite + stereo)
HDMI to extra zone.
Pre-out for front left and right channels.
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Specification PDFs linked.
VSX-523
VSX-823
VSX-1023
VSX-1123


VSX-523 - 8.3Kg - 415W - 5.1 channel - 80Wpc
HDMI - 4 in, 1 out
Composite - 2 in, 1 out
SPDIF - 1 coax, 1 optical
Stereo - 3 in

OSD menu on composite only
4K Pass-through
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VSX-823 - 8.5kg - 450W - 5.1 channel - 80Wpc
Adds:
HDMI - 5 in, 1 front - MHL
OSD menu on HDMI
MHL 2.0 - DLNA 1.5 - AirPlay, HTC Connect, Pandora
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VSX-1023 - 9.2kg - 520W - 7.1 channel - 80Wpc
Adds:
Component - 1 in, 1 out
IR - 1 in, 1 out
Zone 2 - 2 channel amplified.
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VSX-1123 - 9.8kg - 550W - 7.2 channel - 90Wpc
Adds:
HDMI - 7 in - 2 out.
Composite - 3 in
Component - 1 in, 0 out
Pre-out - front L+R

Zone HD - secondary HDMI output to different zone
Zone 2 - 2 channel amplified, stereo pre-out, composite out.

4K Upscaling

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Compared to last year's models:
Slight cosmetic change. VSX-1023 pictured above, but all four models look similar.
Amplifier sections same as last years models.
4K support .
MHL support for front HDMI inputs (except VSX-523)
Analogue just barely hanging on now, even non-HDMI digital audio inputs are down to a minimum.

VSX-1023 is a bit odd. It gains a component output since last year, which makes no sense to me. Last year both the 1022 and 1122 and inputs only, this year the 1023 adds an output, but the 1123 doesn't.

VSX-1123 is the only interesting one. New features from last year include
4K Upscaling, not just pass-through, using unidentified QDEO processing.
Video on zone 2 (composite + stereo)
HDMI to extra zone.
Pre-out for front left and right channels.
any thing on release.. date and pricing..?

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You guys are on it. I came here today with the thought of "hey i wonder if there is anything on 2013 Pios yet?" and bam info was posted not even 24 hrs ago.
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any thing on release.. date and pricing..?
I'm not in the US market, but I was told "Same as last year, pretty much".

In the US that was mid-March

VSX-522 ($249)
VSX-822 ($379)
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"Music File Playback via USB (DSD)", that means you could play SACD files direct from your USB ??? that would be great ¡¡¡
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The rear of these things is starting to look a little sparse, sheesh.

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The rear of these things is starting to look a little sparse, sheesh.

Because they're removing legacy inputs. It's 2013, the average consumer has HDMI at this point. Unless I'm trying to hook up an N64, I really only need HDMI inputs. Even then, I can use a Wii and download the N64 games.
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Because they're removing legacy inputs. It's 2013, the average consumer has HDMI at this point. Unless I'm trying to hook up an N64, I really only need HDMI inputs. Even then, I can use a Wii and download the N64 games.

I remember getting more excited the more crap they crammed back there, lol. I know that they are dropping them, it is just weird to see.

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I remember getting more excited the more crap they crammed back there, lol. I know that they are dropping them, it is just weird to see.

I'm not excited because it seems they keep removing things, yet adding nothing other than software improvements. We pay for less hardware, more software (or software that's been out that they are deciding we can now get), yet still charge a lot of money. There's no reason why my receiver sitting in my basement without HDMI inputs, has the same amplification capabilities as receivers out today. Really is lame.
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Anyone planning on upgrading? Any word on Elites? Just curious.

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I am happy with my current 1222-K, only gripe is the lack of audio inputs. I had to use the DVD and Video inputs to connect my CD player and aux.
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Do any of the Pioneers allow you to adjust the crossover by the channel instead of 1 global setting?

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Anyone planning on upgrading? Any word on Elites? Just curious.
Added the Elite VSX-70, but nothing on the high-end Elites yet.

It's the same as the VSX-1123 except for
Component - 2 in, 1 out
12V trigger
RS232C

No surprises there except their confusing component video policy.
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"Music File Playback via USB (DSD)", that means you could play SACD files direct from your USB ??? that would be great ¡¡¡
You can, but...
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Sampling frequency 2.8224 MHZ
Quantization bitrate 1bit
Channel 2 ch.

DSD Cannot be played in sub zone.
So probably stereo only.
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Do any of the Pioneers allow you to adjust the crossover by the channel instead of 1 global setting?
Not on these. There's one crossover frequency setting plus the Large/Small setting per speaker (or speaker pair).
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Do any of the Pioneers allow you to adjust the crossover by the channel instead of 1 global setting?
well if you consider.. this pioneer thinks there's no need.. for that..seeing that on these AVR's. You have a graphic EQ..that you can't adjust each of the channel's.. to your taste...

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I'm not excited because it seems they keep removing things, yet adding nothing other than software improvements. We pay for less hardware, more software (or software that's been out that they are deciding we can now get), yet still charge a lot of money.
You seem to think software is completely without cost to the manufacturers. It's not. Not even close.

Besides, it's not some conspiracy. They remove the things people don't use. Does anyone miss having a dozen available s-video ports?

You might still have some old cable box with component video, but you're never going to buy another device that relies on component output, or a new TV with component inputs. It's unnecessary legacy technology.
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There's no reason why my receiver sitting in my basement without HDMI inputs, has the same amplification capabilities as receivers out today. Really is lame.
Amplification is where it is for a reason. it reached "good enough" a long time ago, so there's no incentive to change it. The fact of the matter is that most people never use more than 50 watts per channel, so there's no real reason to improve it for these devices. You don't saddle mass market products with expensive niche features "just because". If you want more power, there's plenty of options for separate power amps.

If you're talking more effiency, that is absolutely happening with class D amplification and switch mode power supplies in some receivers.
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I expect that there'll still be adequate legacy inputs on the top-of-the-line receivers. After all, most of the people who have been working long enough to be able to afford them usually have been buying audio and video equipment for many years, and need their new acquisitions to be able to interface with older equipment -- like phonograph turntables, S-Video tape decks and LaserDisc players.

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I expect that there'll still be adequate legacy inputs on the top-of-the-line receivers. After all, most of the people who have been working long enough to be able to afford them usually have been buying audio and video equipment for many years, and need their new acquisitions to be able to interface with older equipment -- like phonograph turntables, S-Video tape decks and LaserDisc players.
good point ...but many manufactures ..are moving away form ..legacy inputs ...and heading to hdmi...i really miss a phono ..input ,and i really hope that pioneer elite line for 2013 AVR'S puts a phono stage in ...

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Are they finally going to update MCACC?

I'll also pray that they bring back the urushi finish on the Elites.

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Are they finally going to update MCACC?

I'll also pray that they bring back the urushi finish on the Elites.
yeah..hoping to see what the elite will look like...MCACC..needed.. an update..hope bass management is in..smile.gif

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Does 4k support signify the use of 300mhz HDMI chipsets?
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Wow. The "Elite" only has pre-outs for the front L and R?

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Which one compares to the 1222k with the class D amplification ?
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Wow. The "Elite" only has pre-outs for the front L and R?
probley ..an entry level elite..to replace the 60..

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I'm not excited because it seems they keep removing things, yet adding nothing other than software improvements. We pay for less hardware, more software (or software that's been out that they are deciding we can now get), yet still charge a lot of money. There's no reason why my receiver sitting in my basement without HDMI inputs, has the same amplification capabilities as receivers out today. Really is lame.

Actually, many of them have less amplification.
The VSX-1018 has far better amplification than todays newer VSX models (up until the 1018 the higher end VSX models had elite receiver components):

VSX-1017
Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 134.4 watts
1% distortion at 147.7 watts

VSX-1019
Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 28.7 watts
1% distortion at 34.3 watts

VSX-1021
Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 46.1 watts
1% distortion at 56.7 watts

Part of the reason I haven't upgraded is I'd need to move to an elite model to get the same kind of power. More to it than just amplification of course, but certainly nice to know I can drive my speakers when I need too.
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I'm really wanting 200 watts RMS to the front pair anyway. I don't see anything besides watts listed almost anywhere I look. Unless you conform to a widely accepted standard of measurement such as RMS, 100 watts doesn't mean much. The load being driven in ohms needs to be stated also.

I'll probably have to drive the front pair with another amp, but I like Pioneer Elites. I'll have to wait until the higher end models come out too.

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AreaDVD has posted a preview of the first 2013 Pioneers for Europe:
http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2013/pioneer_avrs2013.shtml
Google translated:
http://translate.google.nl/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.areadvd.de%2Fhardware%2F2013%2Fpioneer_avrs2013.shtml


For the European market there are:
VSX-323, 5-channel, 100 watt per channel, No MCACC only in black, 4 HDMI input ports, 1 output, 3D,ARC and 4k pass-trough (EUR: 219)
VSX-423, 5-channel 130 watt per channel, Basic MCACC, in black and silver, 4 HDMI input ports, 1 output, 3D,ARC and 4k pass-trough (EUR: 249)
VSX-528, 5-channel 130 watt per channel, Basic MCACC, in black and silver, 6 HDMI input ports, 1 output, 3D,ARC and 4k pass-trough (EUR: 349)
VSX-828, 7-channel 130 watt per channel, Basic MCACC, in black and silver, 6 HDMI input ports, 1 output, 3D,ARC and 4k pass-trough (EUR: 399(
VSX-923, 7-channel 150 watt per channel, Advanced MCACC, in black and silver, 8 HDMI input ports, 2 output, 3D,ARC and 4k upscaling (EUR: 499

They also posted a first impression on the sound quality of the VSX-528 and VSX-923, the impressions are from an early production model

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Amazon links
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I was looking at the 1122, but I like the extra zone2 and preamp outs on the 1123. Hard to justify the extra cost though, the 1122 seems like a decent deal right now. Maybe the 1123 will have a more solid hdmi board?

Anyone know if the 2012 models will disappear quickly or will they be available for a while?
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So "ECO Mode" is a reduction in standby power from 0.4W to 0.1W? That seems a bit disappointing number to declare something a "Mode". I applaud those efforts if they are beyond the requirements from the government but is this marketing gone mad or am I missing something?
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