Originally Posted by All4fun
M Code, I think those are compelling credentials that enable a very informed opinion based on deep experience. Thanks for your posts.
Here's where I think you have gone astray: When opinion is based on direct experience, then the opinion tends to have merit. When the opinion is based on "I heard" or "someone said" then it tends to fall down the list of credibility. As a proof point, let me offer M Code's experience. I'd say his opinion is very much experience-based and therefore moves up the list of credibility, way up.
I contend that if you listen to enough opinions, and how and why those individuals formed their opinions, then patterns emerge and insight can be gained. I would contend we are already seeing a trend in this thread, but I'll withhold judgment for now.
Here is some more info about M Code...
Since we have been on this forum for over 10 years the majority of the AVS vets know that my posts are fact based and mostly oriented to help someone and/or to set the record straight. Since we work closely with certain brands in the development/validation for new AVRs, we do know/have the nitty gritty, inside
But I will not post these as we are under NDA with some of the mentioned brands, and will not jeopardize these relationships.
However, we have listed below some of the pertinent facts about the global AVR market and brands:1.
64% of AVRs sales are done in North America2.
Yamaha is the #1 brand in global AVR $3.
Yamaha is the only AVR brand that designs and builds their AVRs in their own factories4.
Sony, Pioneer, Harman/Kardon, Marantz, Denon, NAD AVRs are built in (3) OE factories, not their own5.
In 2009 Denon was the top AVR brand in sale $, but lost
total market/pricing control of their distribution channels to the internet sellers and big-box sellers6.
In 2010 when Bain Capitol (MItt Romney) bought controlling interest in D&M Holdings (Denon & Marantz) the organization was literally stripped bare, laying off hundreds of staff shifting crucial development, production, engineering tasks to be outsourced
Just my $0.02...