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Wait, don't you only turn on Adaptive DRC at night? Or am I misunderstanding the point of adaptive DRC?
You use it whenever you wish to limit the change in volume between loud and soft passages. A typical scenario is when you don't want the loud explosions in the movie to wake your housemates, hence the generalization that you would use it typically "at night".


"Adaptive" means it not only applies a limitation to the change in dynamic range but it does it differently based on the average level you happen to select on your master volume knob.


I find it to be only mildly effective, but that's probably better than "overkill" which would make music sound like, um, modern pop music which is said to be very compressed from the get go.

In A/V reproduction accuracy, there is no concept of "accounting for taste". We don't "pick" the level of bass, etc., any more than we pick the ending of a play. High fidelity means an unmodified, neutral, exact copy (or "reproduction") of the original artist's tonal balance, timing, dynamics, etc..
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Wait, don't you only turn on Adaptive DRC at night? Or am I misunderstanding the point of adaptive DRC?

If you want less than maximum dynamic range (which you seemed to be asking for) then Adaptive DRC will do that. I never use it, but I watch movies in a dedicated room and don't have to worry about disturbing other people.
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If you want less than maximum dynamic range (which you seemed to be asking for) then Adaptive DRC will do that. I never use it, but I watch movies in a dedicated room and don't have to worry about disturbing other people.
Bet those F1 cars sound mighty fine in there.
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^ The new cars not so much. But my cable TV provider seems to compress the dynamic range of all audio to a certain extent, which is a pity.
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I use volumes in the -40.0 dB to -50.0 dB range so adaptive drc can be overkill at times. I use such values during the day and night since my room is small and my fronts are fairly sensitive at 87 dB and YPAO sets the front left at 0.0 dB and adjusts the rest to match the front left.

I wanted only a mild drc so I could hear soft dialogue passages without deafening peaks and it seems BD movies with lossless audio tend to have way more dynamic range than regular Dolby Digital soundtracks found on other BDs, cable TV, Netflix, some games, etc.

Too much drc makes content sound unnatural/unrealistic but too much dynamic range can also be annoying. I wish there was a dynamic range setting that affected all input signals and had a ten point scale for manual adjustment.
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^ The new cars not so much. But my cable TV provider seems to compress the dynamic range of all audio to a certain extent, which is a pity.
There's not much you can do to correct it if they broadcast it that way but many cable boxes, such as my Comcast DVR, has a DRC setting in the advanced setup menus.

In A/V reproduction accuracy, there is no concept of "accounting for taste". We don't "pick" the level of bass, etc., any more than we pick the ending of a play. High fidelity means an unmodified, neutral, exact copy (or "reproduction") of the original artist's tonal balance, timing, dynamics, etc..
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Setting up my RX-V675 tonight when I get home. I will be for a 2.1 system (for now). Will it be worth my time to run the YPAO or is that mainly for surround setups?
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Setting up my RX-V675 tonight when I get home. I will be for a 2.1 system (for now). Will it be worth my time to run the YPAO or is that mainly for surround setups?
Yes. Run YPAO.
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Thanks. I will give it a go then.
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If I want a cheap tripod with an extension bar purely for YPAO mic use, what's a good choice?

Also, I have a very, very old tripod I might be able to use if I can buy an extension bar separately.

I currently place the mic on top of a small plastic container close to ear level in the main listening position. However, I wonder if the box interferes with the mic's reading accuracy.
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Unless people are seriously rearranging major furniture, drapes, rugs, or changing their speakers/speaker placement, YPAO is a set and forget sort of thing. Can you perhaps borrow one? How about balancing and then duct taping a broom stick/mop/cane/crutch/hockey stick etc. to the existing tripod? Perhaps you have a musician friend with a mic stand/boom? If you are reading some thread where people are talking about how important a good tripod with boom is and how it makes a world of difference, stop reading that thread! YPAO mics are also extremely omnidirectional; although you should aim it straight up as a good practice, at ear height, I doubt even serious misaiming it by 45 degrees would have any real world consequence. [ear height is important though]


Note the "acceptance angle" spec here, meaning "it's always good":



Another trick is to attach the mic to a stick like device and lean it, from the back, on the backrest of the primary listening chair so it falls where one's ears are. [Yes, the nearby box surface is not good since it may add a refection.]


If you MUST buy then here's an option:
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?seq...15C=1699455042
if you want the YPAO mic to screw on you may need a "1/4- 20 adapter" , if it doesn't come with one, that they or other music stores sell.

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I use volumes in the -40.0 dB to -50.0 dB range so adaptive drc can be overkill at times. I use such values during the day and night since my room is small and my fronts are fairly sensitive at 87 dB and YPAO sets the front left at 0.0 dB and adjusts the rest to match the front left.

I wanted only a mild drc so I could hear soft dialogue passages without deafening peaks and it seems BD movies with lossless audio tend to have way more dynamic range than regular Dolby Digital soundtracks found on other BDs, cable TV, Netflix, some games, etc.

Too much drc makes content sound unnatural/unrealistic but too much dynamic range can also be annoying. I wish there was a dynamic range setting that affected all input signals and had a ten point scale for manual adjustment.

Curious.... You could set the level of the mains down and then all else accordingly, since those are sensitive.

Also ... if it's just dialog you're concerned with, maybe use the dialog adjustment (level) in Options? Nothing dynamic about it, but it would boost the center (I believe that's all it does, I could be wrong) for a particular title.

(Unfortunately, it doesn't have negative values. Criterion's 5.0 mix on the IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE DVD I just started playing has the center/dialog much louder than in the 2.0 mix.)



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If I want a cheap tripod with an extension bar purely for YPAO mic use, what's a good choice?

Also, I have a very, very old tripod I might be able to use if I can buy an extension bar separately.

I currently place the mic on top of a small plastic container close to ear level in the main listening position. However, I wonder if the box interferes with the mic's reading accuracy.

Don't think you need an extension bar. I just did measurements in 6 or 7 positions around the room. Any old tripod will work great.

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Well, my main listening position is on a bed lying down, so I only need about 6 to 12 inches off the surface of the bed.

I'm also considering a mini tripod since it wouldn't need an extension bar/arm.

I just don't want to use the box since reflections could be hurting YPAO's accuracy. It's a small box but it's still much bigger than the mic and the height is not an exact match to ear height.

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Would something like this work?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/eforcity...d=mp1307076910
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Well, my main listening position is on a bed lying down, so I only need about 6 to 12 inches off the surface of the bed.

I'm also considering a mini tripod since it wouldn't need an extension bar/arm.

I just don't want to use the box since reflections could be hurting YPAO's accuracy. It's a small box but it's still much bigger than the mic and the height is not an exact match to ear height.
Ah, I see...

My favorite "tabletop" tripod is the UltraPod II. REI sells them, believe they're on Amazon, too. I think Jobi also sells a short tripod along with their smartphone tripod clip attachment, lemme see if I can find that. The UltraPod II is more versatile though IMHO. Pedco sells an Ultrapod Mini that might suit your need and budget, too.

Pedco UltraPod II Lightweight Camera Tripod https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000ANCPNM..._q8uhvb0DZDZ8Q
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000ANCPNM..._q8uhvb0DZDZ8Q

Joby JM2-01WW GripTight Micro Stand (Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GHYM0M..._H-uhvb0RRFVXH
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GHYM0M..._H-uhvb0RRFVXH

The tripod and the clip should separate, the clip looks the same as the one I bought separately years ago. (I use the clip with, you guessed it, the UltraPod II.)

Yes, your suggestion would also work.

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I'd need a maximum height of at least 8 inches as that is how high my ears are from the bed surface.
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I'd need a maximum height of at least 8 inches as that is how high my ears are from the bed surface.

I don't think you need to be that precise, I'm sure YPAO isn't sensitive to a few inches difference.

I would buy the tripod if you can use it otherwise, if only just to get the mic on the bed, maybe use a short box ... some cereal boxes .... a thick pillow or two ... or lay there and hold it?

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I'd need a maximum height of at least 8 inches as that is how high my ears are from the bed surface.

I don't think you need to be that precise, I'm sure YPAO isn't sensitive to a few inches difference.
How high do the two ones you linked to go?
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I'm not even going to answer. 2" - 4" either way is not going to effect YPAO IMHO.

Maybe you should just get the one from BB, do your measurement, then return it to BB.


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I'm not even going to answer. 2" - 4" either way is not going to effect YPAO IMHO.

Maybe you should just get the one from BB, do your measurement, then return it to BB.


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I'm probably over-thinking this, but could a few inches be more significant when the bed surface is so close to ear height? Normally, it's in a chair/couch when the seat and ear height are several feet apart.

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and more importantly, what does the 20 refer to in 1/4"-20 threaded socket?

EDIT: never mind 1/4 inch, 20 TPI

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and more importantly, what does the 20 refer to in 1/4"-20 threaded socket?

EDIT: never mind 1/4 inch, 20 mm
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I'm probably over-thinking this, but could a few inches be more significant when the bed surface is so close to ear height? Normally, it's in a chair/couch when the seat and ear height are several feet apart.
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I'd need a maximum height of at least 8 inches as that is how high my ears are from the bed surface.
Tape the mic to a 12" ruler and pinch it in between your laptop and smartphone on the bed.
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i'm probably over-thinking this, ...t.
Yes.

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got this for $5 after using a rewards certificate:

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1/4 20 bolts (or screws) can be bought in long lengths at hardware stores and then taped to heavy objects or build this sort of mount maybe:

Aiming an omnidirectional mic isn't all that important, getting the right height IS important especially since, for all I know, the hi frequency absorbency of the bed surface may differ greatly based on just a short change in distance.

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1/4 20 bolts (or screws) can be bought in long lengths at hardware stores and the taped to heavy objects or build this sort of mount maybe (if one doesn't want to drill):

Aiming an omnidirectional mic isn't all that important, getting the right height IS important especially since, for all I know, the hi frequency absorbency of the bed surface may differ greatly based on just a short change in distance.
Well, I got a 7.5 mini tripod and ear height is almost exactly 7.5 (8 was just a round figure) so I should be more than fine.
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The Pedco UltraPod II puts the tip of the YPAO mic any from 6" to 8" high,[1] no big difference from the one you bought. Should work fine. If you need more height, I'd just put book(s) underneath. Or towels. I gather we want something sort of acoustically dead.

[1] You can vary the height a bit with the pivoting head, and playing with the legs a little.

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