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I can't say having a single crossover point is ideal, but if faced with a situation where the rear speakers called for a much higher frequency than the three fronts, rather than catering to the weakest point, the little ones in the back, I'd be inclined to say "screw 'em" and optimize my system for the fronts. They are so much more important than the rears and movies don't usually send deep bass to the rears anyways. That's what the LFE channel is for.

This, admittedly, may buck conventional wisdom.
Currently at a 80Hz crossover with REW sub distance tweak... makes the mains and center perform at their best and sub sounds better too. However, now YPAO likes 120Hz crossovers... go figure.

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Do subs sound best at 80Hz and under only (crossovers)?


On a side note, the speaker levels set by YPAO line up very, very well with REW+UMIK-1.

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For single listener audiences I don't think it much matters. Where multi-position measurements excel is for covering a larger sweet spot with a reasonably good averaged* sound. Single measurements might actually be better for single listeners.

*Audyssey based units use a more sophisticated algorithm called "clustering", not averaging, where they intelligently weigh some measurements more heavily than others which appear to be anomalous oddballs.
Would a user with a single listening point just measure repeatedly in the MLP or would they also measure slightly left, right, forward, backward, etc.?

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I'd say with multiple mic position test systems, yet knowing there's only going to be one listener, the best would be to move the mic about the area of the one head but just by a matter of a couple of inches in each direction, not feet.

With Audyssey the first mic run is the most important in that all the distances, levels, and phase are determined by that one. It should be dead center to the one listening head. All the others after that are only to get a better feel for how the frequency response varies from seat to seat and then it clusters those together to make a composite picture of how to best correct for everyone in terms of EQ.

In A/V reproduction accuracy, there is no concept of "accounting for taste". We don't "pick" the level of bass, etc., any more than we pick the ending of a play. High fidelity means an unmodified, neutral, exact copy (or "reproduction") of the original artist's tonal balance, timing, dynamics, etc..

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Some versions of YPAO have multi position measurement?
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With Audyssey the first mic run is the most important in that all the distances, levels, and phase are determined by that one. It should be dead center to the one listening head. All the others after that are only to get a better feel for how the frequency response varies from seat to seat and then it clusters those together to make a composite picture of how to best correct for everyone in terms of EQ.
Interesting, I didn't know that only the first point did everything and the rest were just for getting a broader picture of frequency response throughout the listening area.

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Well this is interesting, I was playing around with some sound settings on my samsung 8550 TV and what was available while watching the Smart Hub apps such as Netflix with PCM, Dolby Digital, and DTS Nero 2:5.

Before that the setting on the 8550 was set to Dolby Digital and everything is fine but now Dolby Digital on a TV setting is grayed out.

Now when I play a DTS HD Master blu-ray disc the display on the AVR alternates between dts-hd master and dts-es matrix.

Before I messed with the sound settings on the TV the AVR just displayed DTS high definition master when the same disc was played.

Has anybody seen the display on the AVR alternate between DTS high definition master and dts-es matrix?
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Well this is interesting, I was playing around with some sound settings on my samsung 8550 TV and what was available while watching the Smart Hub apps such as Netflix with PCM, Dolby Digital, and DTS Nero 2:5.

Before that the setting on the 8550 was set to Dolby Digital and everything is fine but now Dolby Digital on a TV setting is grayed out.

Now when I play a DTS HD Master blu-ray disc the display on the AVR alternates between dts-hd master and dts-es matrix.

Before I messed with the sound settings on the TV the AVR just displayed DTS high definition master when the same disc was played.

Has anybody seen the display on the AVR alternate between DTS high definition master and dts-es matrix?

No. What's the bd player's info display show when this is happening?

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Well this is interesting, I was playing around with some sound settings on my samsung 8550 TV and what was available while watching the Smart Hub apps such as Netflix with PCM, Dolby Digital, and DTS Nero 2:5.

Before that the setting on the 8550 was set to Dolby Digital and everything is fine but now Dolby Digital on a TV setting is grayed out.

Now when I play a DTS HD Master blu-ray disc the display on the AVR alternates between dts-hd master and dts-es matrix.

Before I messed with the sound settings on the TV the AVR just displayed DTS high definition master when the same disc was played.

Has anybody seen the display on the AVR alternate between DTS high definition master and dts-es matrix?

No. What's the bd player's info display show when this is happening?
The BR player display shows " DTS-HD MSTR DTS-ES Mtrx"
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The BR player display shows " DTS-HD MSTR DTS-ES Mtrx"
have you engaged a DSP mode/surround decode mode? make sure the AVR is in "Straight" mode

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The BR player display shows " DTS-HD MSTR DTS-ES Mtrx"
Well, that stumps me, never seen it. Are you sending PCM or Bitstream from the player? I would recommend Bitstream, let the AVR decode.

Also, turn off any audio enhancement the player is doing (e.g. "high quality audio,""enhanced audio").

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I have a RX-V675. Often when playing the front display will keep cycling between Dolby Digital/Dolby Pro logic etc. I assume this is because the signal isn't being detected properly? Although there are no sound drops. Other times there is no such cycling.

Another question about calibration - based on what I read, I did the following today -

- used an SPL app on my phone (till I buy a meter later)
- set master volume to 0.0 (since I read Yamaha test tones depend on master volume, and the test tone will be at -30dB only when vol is at 0)
- started the test tones for each speaker

Now here's the problem - the volume at my listening position is easily > 90dB according to the meter! So to make it 75dB I'd have to set each speaker to more than the -10dB which is the max. I think something is wrong here, either my meter is wildly inaccurate or am I doing something wrong?
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Well this is interesting, I was playing around with some sound settings on my samsung 8550 TV and what was available while watching the Smart Hub apps such as Netflix with PCM, Dolby Digital, and DTS Nero 2:5.

Before that the setting on the 8550 was set to Dolby Digital and everything is fine but now Dolby Digital on a TV setting is grayed out.

Now when I play a DTS HD Master blu-ray disc the display on the AVR alternates between dts-hd master and dts-es matrix.

Before I messed with the sound settings on the TV the AVR just displayed DTS high definition master when the same disc was played.

Has anybody seen the display on the AVR alternate between DTS high definition master and dts-es matrix?
This is exactly what I also see with DTS-HD Master blurays! The display cycles between DTS-HD Mstr and DTS-ES, I think it may have something to do with the 'Extended Surround' option. It is set to 'Auto' which is supposed to matrix the sound to 7.1 speakers if present. and since I don't have them I have no idea what it is doing.
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I have a RX-V675. Often when playing the front display will keep cycling between Dolby Digital/Dolby Pro logic etc. I assume this is because the signal isn't being detected properly? Although there are no sound drops. Other times there is no such cycling.
When using the "surround decoder" setting it will cycle if its a 2.0 source and will not cycle if its a 5.1/7.1 source.
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Another question about calibration - based on what I read, I did the following today -

- used an SPL app on my phone (till I buy a meter later)
- set master volume to 0.0 (since I read Yamaha test tones depend on master volume, and the test tone will be at -30dB only when vol is at 0)
- started the test tones for each speaker

Now here's the problem - the volume at my listening position is easily > 90dB according to the meter! So to make it 75dB I'd have to set each speaker to more than the -10dB which is the max. I think something is wrong here, either my meter is wildly inaccurate or am I doing something wrong?
You cant use the receivers built in test tones to calibrate.
Your phone app is most likely wildly inaccurate.
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This is exactly what I also see with DTS-HD Master blurays! The display cycles between DTS-HD Mstr and DTS-ES, I think it may have something to do with the 'Extended Surround' option. It is set to 'Auto' which is supposed to matrix the sound to 7.1 speakers if present. and since I don't have them I have no idea what it is doing.
Try setting Extended Surround to Off and see what happens.
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The BR player display shows " DTS-HD MSTR DTS-ES Mtrx"
How many speakers do you have?
What format is the bluray (5.1, 7.1)?
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