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The Grammys had poor sound all around!

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Said to my wife while watching the Grammy's last night - its pretty piss poor when a Chevy truck commercial produces superior sound than the Grammy's broadcast. I thought the sound was horrible....

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@ tukkas -- Another consideration is adjusting the Reference Level Offset for DEQ parameter for your TV/CBL input. Dynamic EQ adusts for film reference levels and many cable TV programs are mixed at a lower level and have bass and surround volume cooked up a bit. They also want audio that will sound impressive on what most people are using -- TV speakers or a cheap little HTIB setup.

If DEQ is making the full adjustment it can make the bass sound bloated and boomy and the surrounds too loud (e.g. crowd noise on football). If you were still on default settings (0dB offset) it's no wonder the bass sounded boomy. Try adjusting the RLO (GUI > AUDIO > AUDYSSEY) to 10 or even 15, which will let DEQ know that the material you are watching doesn't need as much adjustment.

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good form. I remember you were unsure, but looks like you chose to stay in the club wink.gif

How are you liking XT32?

I love it.

Especially since I made my speakers more of a triangle with the MLP and toed them in some. Can't wait to add the second sub next month.

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Its funny how toeing them in can really make a difference. There's one thing that drives me nuts about my system. For looks my wife insists that the bookshelf speakers sit on the back of the stand. All I can think of are those insane reflections that must cause lol. Second sub was a WAF win though and well worth the battle ! smile.gif
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LOL. Yeah, I moved the towers out more away from the wall and toed them in. Sounds fantastic. As hard as the VTF15 hits now, I can't wait to get the second and run dual sub eq.

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Hey guys, I just bought the X1000 and have a couple questions (it's not here yet).

1.) Are the back speaker connections able to use bare speaker wire, or are banana plugs required? If so what kind?

2.) O have a Polk PSW10 subwoofer, it has a manual knob on the back to adjust crossover frequency (or turn it off if the receiver does this). The receiver will do the filtering right? I just want to make sure I have it set up right when I do the audyssey setup.

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This should be the back of your sub:




Crank the crossover to 160 since you will use the AVR

Turn the switch to "ON"

Try "0" phase first

Try your "volume" knob at 50% or 12 oclock. Run Audyssey and see where it sets the sub level. If the sub level is more than +5.0db, then increase the volume knob and re run. If the level setting is less than -5.0db, decrease the knob and rerun.

I generally try and get my sub gain knob set where audyssey sets it around -3.0db, because I like to run 5db hot. So once audyssey is complete, I change that number from -3.0db to +2.0db in the AVR menu.
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Has anyone compared the X4000 to the Marantz SR5008. I own a 5008 and am enjoying it, but I just found a super deal on a New X4000. I was not overjoyed with the 3313, but hear that the X4000 is better. I wanted to find out if I would gain any improvement in sound with the X4000? Thanks for any input.
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The X4000 has Audyssey XT32, while the SR5008 has only Audyssey XT. After you've run its calibration, the X4000 should sound better than the 5008.

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Has anyone compared the X4000 to the Marantz SR5008. I own a 5008 and am enjoying it, but I just found a super deal on a New X4000. I was not overjoyed with the 3313, but hear that the X4000 is better. I wanted to find out if I would gain any improvement in sound with the X4000? Thanks for any input.
Yes, I have and X4000 sounds much better with Audyssey XT32. I too got a good deal on it and grabbed it before the deal got over. I'm sure you wont be disappointed.

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Hey guys, I just bought the X1000 and have a couple questions (it's not here yet).

1.) Are the back speaker connections able to use bare speaker wire, or are banana plugs required? If so what kind?

2.) O have a Polk PSW10 subwoofer, it has a manual knob on the back to adjust crossover frequency (or turn it off if the receiver does this). The receiver will do the filtering right? I just want to make sure I have it set up right when I do the audyssey setup.

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Both... - you can connect direct by bare wire of use standard banana plugs. I use banana plugs as screwing with the bare wire is a PITA.

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Both... - you can connect direct by bare wire of use standard banana plugs. I use banana plugs as screwing with the bare wire is a PITA.

I agree, I hate the back of AVR's. I got my wire from BJC and have the soldered banana plugs on one end and bare wire on the speaker side.

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So I did bare wire this time around since when I moved last I misplaced all the banna clips and didn't feel like stopping my project to get it setup for the day..

All I can say is what a difference having the tower posts orient the holes top to bottom makes!! As in WTH would you ever have had the holes off to the sides lol.
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I picked an open box X4000 and it is only picking up 1 of my 2 sub's......do I have a dead sub out?
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Did you set it to two subs?

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Yes, specified 2 sub's.
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Ensure both subs are powered ON. Then pull the cable from the AVR's sub pre-out and rub your finger over the tip. Hear static from the sub? If no, then possibly either the sub or the cable is bad. If yes, then try passing test tones to each sub using the Speakers menu.

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I'm having problems to get ARC and hdmi pass through to work together. I have a Denon X4000 receiver and Samsung f8500 plasma. If I have ARC enabled, I can never get HDMI pass through to function properly. When I power on the TV and CBL, I get video for a few seconds and then a black screen. I have to power on the AVR, switch the source back to CBL/SAT and then power it off again to get video. It seems that the AVR is defaulting to TV Audio every time, even though the HDMI source is set to CBL/SAT in the HDMI Control setup. If I disable ARC (either on the AVR or TV), HDMI pass through works without issue. I've tried powering on the devices in different order with no success either. Any tips or advice would be appreciated. Thank you.
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If I hook up my porch speakers to my Denon 4000, what is the proper way to set up the amp? They are two small speakers, 100W @ 8 Ohms a piece.
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I picked an open box X4000 and it is only picking up 1 of my 2 sub's......do I have a dead sub out?

The RCA connectors on the X4000 are not the greatest, to be polite. You may have "issues" with higher quality RCA plugs, though the jack spacing very much limits you in the "higher" part to start with. IOW, watch out for this...I had issues with the Sub 1 jack the most. May require a little wiggle to find the sweet spot, never had a prob after that, not that I've moved the sub cables since. I use the X4000 as a "7.2" pre-pro only, so I do use more of the RCA jacks than the typical user probably does.
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I use it as a preamp as well, with BJC audio cables and havent had any issues. I also plan on adding a second sub shortly.

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I'm having problems to get ARC and hdmi pass through to work together. I have a Denon X4000 receiver and Samsung f8500 plasma. If I have ARC enabled, I can never get HDMI pass through to function properly. When I power on the TV and CBL, I get video for a few seconds and then a black screen. I have to power on the AVR, switch the source back to CBL/SAT and then power it off again to get video. It seems that the AVR is defaulting to TV Audio every time, even though the HDMI source is set to CBL/SAT in the HDMI Control setup. If I disable ARC (either on the AVR or TV), HDMI pass through works without issue. I've tried powering on the devices in different order with no success either. Any tips or advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

I own a F8000, but almost sure that the firmware for ARC is the same. Well either live with it or turn ARC off and use an optical cable and use something like a Harmony to make your life easier. Unfortunately there's no solution.

One more "funny" thing with Samsung and ARC: the TV sometimes starts itself up. Although the screen stays black, but I noticed it by the stand-by light. Never could find a setting to disable it and didn't bother to ask Samsung. I guess it tries to look for updates.

The problem is that when the TV turns itself on, the Denon X3000 also starts itself up and changes to the TV source input. The TV stays only on for 20 seconds or so and shuts itself down and thus also shutting down the Denon. Really nice when your listening to some music... ;-)
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I use it as a preamp as well, with BJC audio cables and havent had any issues. I also plan on adding a second sub shortly.

Well, you certainly can't get a bunch of locking RCA plugs in there, and that's what I prefer. Had to change all my RCA cable ends (except FR/FL, for other reasons) just to fit them all in. Did that for the 3808, which has much nicer jacks (and all other connectors IMO) than the X4000, but similar main outs jack-to-jack spacing.

But seriously, watch out for this. The RCA plugs do not fit very tightly, I can feel the center "prong" isn't fitting as tightly as it does on all my other gear, though of course the outer part is tight. I did have a recurring problem with the Sub 1 output though, and since the guy mentioned the subs...could be that, I doubt my X4000 is unique. The RCA plugs I switched to are the cheapest good Vampires BTW (not the black ones!), just a tiny bit wider than "cheap" RCAs but suit my cables well. My SVS sub has such ill-considered RCA jacks that even these barely fit, for other reasons, but they're not electrically loose.
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One more "funny" thing with Samsung and ARC: the TV sometimes starts itself up. Although the screen stays black, but I noticed it by the stand-by light. Never could find a setting to disable it and didn't bother to ask Samsung. I guess it tries to look for updates.

I have the E8000 so I'm not sure if it's the same, but on mine I can go to MENU/SUPPORT/SOFTWARE UPDATE and set STANDBY MODE UPGRADE to off.
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Well, you certainly can't get a bunch of locking RCA plugs in there, and that's what I prefer. Had to change all my RCA cable ends (except FR/FL, for other reasons) just to fit them all in. Did that for the 3808, which has much nicer jacks (and all other connectors IMO) than the X4000, but similar main outs jack-to-jack spacing.

But seriously, watch out for this. The RCA plugs do not fit very tightly, I can feel the center "prong" isn't fitting as tightly as it does on all my other gear, though of course the outer part is tight. I did have a recurring problem with the Sub 1 output though, and since the guy mentioned the subs...could be that, I doubt my X4000 is unique. The RCA plugs I switched to are the cheapest good Vampires BTW (not the black ones!), just a tiny bit wider than "cheap" RCAs but suit my cables well. My SVS sub has such ill-considered RCA jacks that even these barely fit, for other reasons, but they're not electrically loose.

They are way too close IMO. The LCR and sub plugins are on top of each other.

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The LCR and sub plugins are on top of each other.

Now that you mention it, that may have been part of my issue (not recurring BTW) since my FL/FR are larger locking plugs, and they're just over the Sub ones. Why didn't I think of that? smile.gif

Will have a look, but regardless, the center prongs could be tighter, I can only imagine how cheap these jacks are on the inside...

Edit: the spacing of the LCR jacks doesn't affect my Sub jack cables' connectors, so it isn't that for sure. Just a lousy jack construction compared to previous albeit more expensive models that the X4000 essentilly replaces (3808, 4310). Lower price with no significant technology improvement to lower cost = lower quality, in every product.
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I have the E8000 so I'm not sure if it's the same, but on mine I can go to MENU/SUPPORT/SOFTWARE UPDATE and set STANDBY MODE UPGRADE to off.

Unfortunately that setting is gone.
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I have my two speaker wires run to my two non-powered porch speakers. How do I hook these up to my Denon X4000 so that I can play pandora over it, through only the porch speakers?
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I have a strange issue.
I have a X4000 running a HDMI extender from monitor out to another tv across the room. Video is flawless - but I get no audio. After troubleshooting for several hours - I wen and pressed the power button on my receiver and presto - had audio out of the second tv. Looking back at my receiver, when I pressed the power button - It just turned the main zone off.

So to summarize - with main zone off - I get audio through the HDMI monitor out. With main zone on, all i get is video. Am I missing something. I need audio to be on out of both.

Hope this makes sense - and appreciate any help/insight.
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What source audio are you trying to pass to Zone 2 (HDMI)? Is it also playing in the main zone as well?

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