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I understood the op to be asking about picture mode, especially custom, sorry.
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i had to place my left and right speakers  literallyon the corner of the TV, away from the end tables 3 feet further away. fine!!!
this after phase issues with the 8  mic steps...
206 pages prepared me for that...

what i dont remember is the next step of hooking up the network cable to the router
I have the "connecting, please wait" and the spinning thingy....

Is this where i have to wait 44 minutes for the firmware upgrade?
or am i locked in some horrible timewarp?

is that why its spinning?
is is my router (verizon FIOS) acting a tad confused?

Although the below post is in response to an Airplay issue, I also reference steps to resolve issues using a Verizon router so give it a try ....

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Just wanted to pop in and say thank you to everyone for these types of threads. Hugely helpful.

I upgraded from a 1913 to the X4000. I'm completely blown away by the clarity of this thing.
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Hi,

I had a quick question about the X4000 and the Sub setup and how well it does?

I realize that is a pretty vague question. So, some background; I have a AVR-2809CI and the sub was always "boomy" and never sounded right. So, I bought an Onkyo TX-NR809 a while back and that sounded much better. Unfortunately, I was just bit by the HDMI board issue on the Onkyo. My thought was to buy the new equivalent (828), but I've read people aren't too thrilled with it, so the two options I'm considering are the Onkyo 929 and the Denon X4000. So, I was wondering if sub setup on the newer receivers with Audyssey "Platinum" is better/easier than my older one? I don't really have any plans to run more than one sub. So, I don't know if the Sub EQ HT will help me here or if that is solely for dual-subs?

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I wholeheartedly agree with Rec Head. My sub was super boomy with my avr1913. Now it sounds like I had expected it to.
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If someone was to consider between the X2000 and X3000 right now at a 300$ difference. Is the upgrade to the X3000 would be worth it over the X2000? It seems the Audyssey is a step up on the X3000 on top of a few more connections in the back and HDMI preview switching (which assums everything is powered on which is often not the case).

The jump to the X4000 is just too big (the X3000 is borederline and in fact, if going that route, I'd wait for a sale).
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If someone was to consider between the X2000 and X3000 right now at a 300$ difference. Is the upgrade to the X3000 would be worth it over the X2000? It seems the Audyssey is a step up on the X3000 on top of a few more connections in the back and HDMI preview switching (which assums everything is powered on which is often not the case).

The jump to the X4000 is just too big (the X3000 is borederline and in fact, if going that route, I'd wait for a sale).


To clarify, Audyssey is not a "step up" on the 3000 unless you fork over hundreds of dollars for Audyssey Pro. If you elect not to, then there are no differences at all, as they both feature Audyssey XT. As for the other features of the 3000, I guess you'll have to decide if you need them or not. I have a 2000 and it has everything I need, and nothing I don't.

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Have you read the first posts of the thread where I compare the models? I think I specifically recommend that most people stick with the X2000 unless they specifically want some features on the X3000. For example the expanded zone capability with digital audio and also the independent HDMI output may be compelling features for a given buyer. But do not spend the extra for upgraded sound quality - for that you have to go to the X4000.
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Have you read the first posts of the thread where I compare the models? I think I specifically recommend that most people stick with the X2000 unless they specifically want some features on the X3000. For example the expanded zone capability with digital audio and also the independent HDMI output may be compelling features for a given buyer. But do not spend the extra for upgraded sound quality - for that you have to go to the X4000.
If you are going with X- series go with 4000 period.
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If you are going with X- series go with 4000 period.

That's a pretty draconian statement. I guess BMW owners should only go with the 7 Series too. rolleyes.gif
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Have you read the first posts of the thread where I compare the models? I think I specifically recommend that most people stick with the X2000 unless they specifically want some features on the X3000. For example the expanded zone capability with digital audio and also the independent HDMI output may be compelling features for a given buyer. But do not spend the extra for upgraded sound quality - for that you have to go to the X4000.

I did, but was wondering if the jump in power was worth it or not (10W more per channel). Also, I knew your recommandation but was hoping to get others as well. I command you and JD on your contrinution on this thread. This is still a big investment for me. so I want to choose the right now so I tend to ask a bunch of question.

The X3000 that make me look at it a bit was the added power, additional digital optical port (still not sure if I would need it). I thought that the Audyssey was a bit improved on the X3000 since on the Denon website, they are saying the X2000 had Audyssey Silver while the X3000 had the "gold" version. I guess its only because you can get someone to come over to professionally calibrate your system for you, something that I would not be doing anyway.
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If you are going with X- series go with 4000 period.

the x4000 is right now double my budget price (or double the price of the x2000 for me). I just can't afford it or justify it myself.
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^ XT32, Sub EQ HT no? wink.gif

Differences between Audyssey Platinum and Gold are quite large, in performance terms for a few hundred more.
It's pretty subjective but I too would recommend the 4000 above the other models in the range.
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Have you read the first posts of the thread where I compare the models? I think I specifically recommend that most people stick with the X2000 unless they specifically want some features on the X3000. For example the expanded zone capability with digital audio and also the independent HDMI output may be compelling features for a given buyer. But do not spend the extra for upgraded sound quality - for that you have to go to the X4000.

I did, but was wondering if the jump in power was worth it or not (10W more per channel). Also, I knew your recommandation but was hoping to get others as well. I command you and JD on your contrinution on this thread. This is still a big investment for me. so I want to choose the right now so I tend to ask a bunch of question.

The X3000 that make me look at it a bit was the added power, additional digital optical port (still not sure if I would need it). I thought that the Audyssey was a bit improved on the X3000 since on the Denon website, they are saying the X2000 had Audyssey Silver while the X3000 had the "gold" version. I guess its only because you can get someone to come over to professionally calibrate your system for you, something that I would not be doing anyway.

A power difference of 10 Watts (about 10%) is inaudible. Our hearing is very nonlinear. A power difference of 2x (i.e. 200 Watts) corresponds to a sound level difference of 3dB, which is noticeable, but a sound level difference of 10dB is required in order to seem twice as loud.

Although it'd be slightly inconvenient, you can get S/PDIF switches which would be significantly less expensive than the difference between the receivers.

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That's a pretty draconian statement. I guess BMW owners should only go with the 7 Series too. rolleyes.gif
I like BW's speaker's not their cars.
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If you are going with X- series go with 4000 period.

 

Sorry but no. $$$ Huge price difference from X1000 to X4000. Huge.

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Differences between Audyssey Platinum and Gold are quite large, in performance terms for a few hundred more.
It's pretty subjective but I too would recommend the 4000 above the other models in the range.

"A few hundred more" than what?


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Sorry but no. $$$
A "few hundred more"? What have you been smoking? Best Buy has/had the X1000 at $350 + tax this week, it is available elsewhere for $425-$450 (total cost). How do you get an X-4000 for "a few hundred more"? Even IF you could get the X4000 for "a few hundred more"...a few hundred dollars is significant. 
I have been doing sound for twenty years,if I was in the market to buy another receiver 4520ci would be my choice or seperates.
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"A few hundred more" than what?

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It's about +/-300USD difference between the 3000 and the 4000.
I weighed up the performance gains for the value and bit the bullet.
Moving from a XT environment with the same speakers I am very happy with my choice.
I understand we all have different needs and by no means am I intending to tell you that you bought the wrong unit. Far from it smile.gif
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Tivos sounds are generated in PCM just like Directv I believe. The answer may be to take it off auto detect on signal type, ie. digital / analog / optical. Just keep it on Fixed. What happens is you are searching very quickly through the broadcast and it is switching from DD to PCM. Switch it to fixed and the relay clicking could subside. Just my experience, Its possible your 805 was not set to auto.

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Let me know how that works. What tends to happen is that when the track changes, that quickly switching from OS sounds( your tivo) to the track embedded in the DVR recording, it confuses the auto setting on the AVR. This happens with XBMC in both windows / linux, although the new audio-engine core in "Gotham" is better at handling this.

Its the same if you have ever tryed to get a signal aiming sound from Directv setup menu. You have to turn off DD / and change to PCM to hear it. Each component handles differently.

NC, took me a few days to get to/find this (the X4000 has slightly different menu structures) but I am happy to report that it worked. By this I mean changing both the AVR and the TiVo settings. I might try putting the TiVo back to it's bitstream like setting and let the 4000 try that.

But if not, I now know what works. So thanks for that.

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I guess with the logic of some, I'll add that anyone who buys the X-4000 and doesn't pay hundreds more to activate Audyssey Pro, and then pay hundreds more on top of that to have a Professional installer come calibrate their room are using inferior equipment.......... Same logic. Sounds ridiculous huh?

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I have been doing sound for twenty years,if I was in the market to buy another receiver 4520ci would be my choice or seperates.

Okay.

 

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If you are going with X- series go with 4000 period.
 
 I just bought a new EVERYTHING. 60" Samsung plasma TV, Denon X-series AVR, 5.0 Pioneer Andrew Jones setup (towers all four corners), and an SVS sub (PB-2000)...all of that combined cost about $100 more than the retail price of a AVR-4520CI (using Amazon price on it). Even an X-4000 being purchased instead of my X-1000 would basically mean no sub. My last sub that would have to stick around at that budget ifI got an X4000....Polk PSW10
 
 
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It's about +/-300USD difference between the 3000 and the 4000.
I weighed up the performance gains for the value and bit the bullet.
Moving from a XT environment with the same speakers I am very happy with my choice.
I understand we all have different needs and by no means am I intending to tell you that you bought the wrong unit. Far from it smile.gif

Phrased this way it makes a lot more sense. Going from the 3 to the 4 in order to get the Audyssey upgrades sounds like a good idea to me. IF I were in the position to get the 3, I'd probably pony up for the 4 (even if it meant waiting), based on everything I've read in this thread. Kind of like I ponied up the extra to get into the X-series with the lowly X1000 to get the 'silver' level Audyssey.

 

Maybe next time, when I get serious into upgrades after we move to the next house, I'll be making that kind of purchase. :) (X-4000 or latest equivalent) 

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I guess with the logic of some, I'll add that anyone who buys the X-4000 and doesn't pay hundreds more to activate Audyssey Pro, and then pay hundreds more on top of that to have a Professional installer come calibrate their room are using inferior equipment.......... Same logic. Sounds ridiculous huh?

Nope! I see that logic.
With the kit I have, I'm not going to waste money on Pro or a calibrator but I can reap the rewards doing a DIY 8 point cal with XT32 and hear the much more open sound stage.
I'd class that as money well spent wink.gif

We're all on different levels of 'upgrades'. I didn't need to buy speakers or any other bit of hardware. My budget this year came to the price of the 4000 at the cheapest I could find it in Canada. I just sold my good old 2112ci for 400CAD to offset the cost.
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Nope! I see that logic.
With the kit I have, I'm not going to waste money on Pro or a calibrator but I can reap the rewards doing a DIY 8 point cal with XT32 and hear the much more open sound stage.
I'd class that as money well spent wink.gif

Not everybody is you. ;)

 

Some people, with the kit they have, and the budget they have, are better served not spending over $1k on the AVR. 

 

That's the thing about the statement that started this. It was an absolute one-size-fits-all claim that if you are going to get an X-series, it needs to be an X4000. "Period". 

 

 

 

Edit: But seriously, you guys just made me decide that now I have to save up for an X4000 while saving up to get a buddy for my SVS (go dual). This is going to be freaking expensive. :mad:


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Have you read the first posts of the thread where I compare the models? I think I specifically recommend that most people stick with the X2000 unless they specifically want some features on the X3000. For example the expanded zone capability with digital audio and also the independent HDMI output may be compelling features for a given buyer. But do not spend the extra for upgraded sound quality - for that you have to go to the X4000.

I did, but was wondering if the jump in power was worth it or not (10W more per channel). Also, I knew your recommandation but was hoping to get others as well. I command you and JD on your contrinution on this thread. This is still a big investment for me. so I want to choose the right now so I tend to ask a bunch of question.

The X3000 that make me look at it a bit was the added power, additional digital optical port (still not sure if I would need it). I thought that the Audyssey was a bit improved on the X3000 since on the Denon website, they are saying the X2000 had Audyssey Silver while the X3000 had the "gold" version. I guess its only because you can get someone to come over to professionally calibrate your system for you, something that I would not be doing anyway.

This is a situation where the marketing drive Audyssey "tier" branding is confusing to customers.

The important thing to understand is that "Audyssey" is not a monolith, it's a set of multiple technologies that do different things.

The important parts for sound quality -- the MultEQ calibration, Dynamic EQ + Volume -- are IDENTICAL for the X1000, X2000, and X3000. Period.

If you actually examine the chart explainig the tiers, you will see this is true and that the only difference between "silver" and "gold" is that the "gold" level adds DSX (allowing you to use wide or height speakers instead of surround backs) plus the ability to spend another few hundred bucks to add the Pro Kit if you so desire. In terms of basic "Audyssey" capability with respect to core sound quality, they are IDENTICAL.


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It was an absolute one-size-fits-all claim that if you are going to get an X-series, it needs to be an X4000. "Period". 

I think it's pretty clear that he's implicitly recommending the E200 for people who can't afford the X4000. biggrin.gif
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I think it's pretty clear that he's implicitly recommending the E200 for people who can't afford the X4000. biggrin.gif

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. 

 

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I'm not with 'Period' BTW. I didn't say that and would not like to be placed in the same pot tongue.gif

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Sorry, I really was referring to him and not you.

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