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There is no reason to get one on eBay right now when legitimate dealers are offering at the same price.

The point is the warranty he mentions.  A 1 year warranty versus a 5 year warranty is quite different.  A 1 year warranty is almost worthless to me if I am plunking down nearly $1k on something refurbished.

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The point is the warranty he mentions.  A 1 year warranty versus a 5 year warranty is quite different.  A 1 year warranty is almost worthless to me if I am plunking down nearly $1k on something refurbished.

No, I get that.. but you can still get a ST warranty if you buy a new one at the same price from an authorized dealer... plus you get two years of factory warranty.
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No, I get that.. but you can still get a ST warranty if you buy a new one at the same price from an authorized dealer... plus you get two years of factory warranty.

Actually on the X-series it's a 3 year factory warranty. Even better. :)


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Actually on the X-series it's a 3 year factory warranty. Even better. :)

But does the ST warranty start after the factory warranty is over, or does it run at the same time immediately when purchased?

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My post was informational and also broader than the specific model in regard to ST warranties. I certainly wouldn't pay more to go get one.

Yes, definitely call to get the quote from JD - he gives best prices over the phone.
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Actually on the X-series it's a 3 year factory warranty. Even better. smile.gif
But does the ST warranty start after the factory warranty is over, or does it run at the same time immediately when purchased?

its usually after the manufacturer. Also typcially the extended ST warranty will cover all the shipping costs of the unit to and from the centers whereas the manufacturer will make you pay to ship it from my previous cliams experience (with a subwoofer).
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A 1 year warranty is almost worthless to me if I am plunking down nearly $1k on something refurbished.

So like I said above, just buy new and you get a 3-year factory warranty. Once you factor in the cost of an aftermarket warranty you have largely negated the cost savings of the refurb. Give JD a call! wink.gif

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So like I said above, just buy new and you get a 3-year factory warranty. Once you factor in the cost of an aftermarket warranty you have largely negated the cost savings of the refurb. Give JD a call! wink.gif

 

Hmmm, how much are they new?  A Refurb one from A4L with a 5 year warranty is only $978 total.

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Hmmm, how much are they new?  A Refurb one from A4L with a 5 year warranty is only $978 total.

You can get a new one for about that price from several places, including forum sponsors.
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its usually after the manufacturer. Also typcially the extended ST warranty will cover all the shipping costs of the unit to and from the centers whereas the manufacturer will make you pay to ship it from my previous cliams experience (with a subwoofer).

Regarding SquareTrade Warranties:

 

For new items: Coverage lasts 1-4 years as indicated at the time that you purchase your warranty. This coverage starts on the date of purchase of the covered item.

 

For Refurbished & Used Items: Coverage lasts 1-2 years as indicated at the time that you purchase your warranty. Coverage starts on the day after the manufacturer's warranty expires, or if there isn't a manufacturer's warranty, on the 46th day after your item purchase.

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its usually after the manufacturer. Also typcially the extended ST warranty will cover all the shipping costs of the unit to and from the centers whereas the manufacturer will make you pay to ship it from my previous cliams experience (with a subwoofer).
Regarding SquareTrade Warranties:

For new items: Coverage lasts 1-4 years as indicated at the time that you purchase your warranty. This coverage starts on the date of purchase of the covered item.

For Refurbished & Used Items: Coverage lasts 1-2 years as indicated at the time that you purchase your warranty. Coverage starts on the day after the manufacturer's warranty expires, or if there isn't a manufacturer's warranty, on the 46th day after your item purchase.

this is misinformation without the context/site you are quoting it from....I'm going to guess this was information relating to EBAY purchases only? If EBAY, then that would make sense

. For example my ST warranty on my NEW tv that I purchased at costco (see signature) starts AFTER the manufacturer warranty. ST terms/prices can vary from site to site.
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You can get a new one for about that price from several places, including forum sponsors.

Got any links to such places?  I'd be quite interested if true and with a 5 year warranty.

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Got any links to such places?  I'd be quite interested if true and with a 5 year warranty.

Price talk is discouraged/forbidden, so no. However it should not take much sleuthing for you to figure it out. You can search froogle.com for X4000 and find current prices from dealers, including some that are authorized sellers. You can also take the advice of the many people who told you the specific person who comments frequently in this thread, who lists his phone number, is a forum sponsor, and sells Denon gear.
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You can get a new one for about that price from several places, including forum sponsors.
Got any links to such places?  I'd be quite interested if true and with a 5 year warranty.

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Thank you sir, much appreciated.

 

This is a nice place to get information.  I appreciate the help despite my being a newcomer and being uninformed.  Sometimes people don't take too kindly to those trying to get some help, but this place generally is pretty fantastic.

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But you can't make him buy a X4000 without weighing his options.

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One more general comment re: warranties for AVRS. Warranty is good but if you don't have a local authorized repair shop and have to send it off for 3-4 weeks (or longer) and have your entertainment system down that whole time the warranty isn't doing you much good. I would gladly pay extra for a warranty that provided a replacement piece in lieu of a repair if the unit breaks.
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If you check accessories4less website you will see that a one year warranty for refurbs is clearly stated.

Many credit cards will double a warranty (although some limit the time to a total of two years, so a one-year warranty would be doubled). The remote on my 4310 died a few months after the manufacturer warranty had expired, and my credit card paid 100% of the replacement cost.

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The point is the warranty he mentions.  A 1 year warranty versus a 5 year warranty is quite different.  A 1 year warranty is almost worthless to me if I am plunking down nearly $1k on something refurbished.

I'm fine with a 1 year warranty on a refurb. In the electronics world these days most failures occur almost always right away when the product is new.

Also a refurb usually will get through testing from the manufacture after the product is repaired.

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Unfortunately that is not always true as you'll find plenty of defective refurb units because the factory couldn't replicate the issue which then can present with the new owner's setup.

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I have noticed that depending on the source or even the channel it seems, my X3000 is automatically setting an offset level of -4 or -6. For example, while watching a DVD on my PS3, it set the offset to -4. Is this normal behavior and what is the reasoning behind it? Sorry for the noob question.biggrin.gif
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Thanks everyone for the replies to my questions on settings sub levels and DynEQ.

My current setup is a just a 2.1 system and I don't use my amp while watching tv, so I haven't experience some of the surround channel and tv issues mentioned. I will look into adjusting the DynEQ reference level offset for music. (So far, both before I had a sub and recently with a sub, I've been using a 0 offset for music with I believe good results.)
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I hope not in my case. biggrin.gif

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Thanks everyone for the replies to my questions on settings sub levels and DynEQ.

My current setup is a just a 2.1 system and I don't use my amp while watching tv, so I haven't experience some of the surround channel and tv issues mentioned. I will look into adjusting the DynEQ reference level offset for music. (So far, both before I had a sub and recently with a sub, I've been using a 0 offset for music with I believe good results.)

I don't use the Reference Level Offset for TV or music and my center is set at the original AVR setting of -6db, so although it may be a helpful setting for some, it's not necessarily a required setting. For those that do have a center speaker, angling the speaker up towards your head can do wonders to improving center channel dialog quality.

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Own Denon 1709- bought it a few years ago knowing I would be setting up a home theater in the future in this part of my home. Future has arrived. Barely used it until now. All components including Smart TV are connected via receiver's HDMI inputs. Blu-ray, Verizon FiOS and receiver video and audio all may be heard through surround sound speakers. TV Smart Apps audio only comes through TV speakers, not surround sound speakers.

Smart Apps movie channels in particular are ones we'd like to hear through SS speakers. Besides ditching Denon 1709 and buying a Denon 400 or 2000- need receiver with 2 Zones, any solution recommendations?

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Own Denon 1709- bought it a few years ago knowing I would be setting up a home theater in the future in this part of my home. Future has arrived. Barely used it until now. All components including Smart TV are connected via receiver's HDMI inputs. Blu-ray, Verizon FiOS and receiver video and audio all may be heard through surround sound speakers. TV Smart Apps audio only comes through TV speakers, not surround sound speakers.

Smart Apps movie channels in particular are ones we'd like to hear through SS speakers. Besides ditching Denon 1709 and buying a Denon 400 or 2000- need receiver with 2 Zones, any solution recommendations?

Since the 1709 doesn't support ARC just run an optical cable out from the tv to pipe the smart audio back to the receiver.

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