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As I said ... all of the mics issued from 2008 onward are interchangeable for any Denon model from 2008 thru to the current 2013 models.

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There is likely a setting on the TV to change the audio to "Home Theater" or "External speakers", Also, if you are using a cable/sat box connected to the TV/CBL HDMI input, you'll want to either assign the optical input to an unused source name or or you can simply connect the optical cable to the TV/CBL OPT1 input and press the INPUT button on the back of the remote and select "Digital" when you want to listen to the smart app audio and select "HDMI" when you want to listen to the cable/sat box.

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Hey all

I have a Denon AVRX4000

I am looking into a Samsung 4k screen but I just learned about HDMI 2.0  


Is the 2.0 only for the 3d thing?  Also could I get around the need for upgrading AVR by hooking the HDMI cord directly into the TV?  If I hooked the HDMI cord into TV how would I get audio back to AVR?

Apart from the fact that someone answered and told you the X4000 would do what you needed I thought I would answer the other part of the question. You would use HDMI from the source to the TV and then Optical back to the Receiver. The downside here is that you would lose some of the capability to use higher-resolution audio formats like Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master Audio.
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You need a machine that can do video and audio separately out. One HDMI to the TV, one to avr. Lossless on both

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From What HI FI? "Sound quality

...it’s not quite authoritative enough in the lower frequencies to deliver a fully engaging performance.

Dynamically, the Denon sounds a little restricted in comparison."

I know magazines are often full of hyperbole but this perfectly sums up my thoughts on my Denon 3312 when compared to my Onkyo 808. I was hoping that the newer X4000 would be much improved but it sounds like there's still something lacking. It's not something that can be "EQ'ed" away in my experience.
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I have an X4000 that I'm using for the full 7.2 in the main listening area. I have a couple sets of in-ceiling speakers in separate rooms that I plan to use for my zone 2.

Is there a cheap amp that anyone has had luck with to power a 2nd zone in a similar situation? These are cheap Polk in-ceilings that have independent volume control for each pair in the other rooms, so definitely don't need an Emotiva or anything of that level. I see quite a few of cheapo 2 channel ones, but thought maybe someone has had good luck with a certain unit.

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Thanks to you both. That is the one that stood out to me too.

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Do you think by having klipsch fronts and polk t15 rears with my x4000 is that degrading my overall surround sound quality? IE: how much better would a pair of klipsch bookshelfs sound for my overall aural enjoyment?

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Do you think by having klipsch fronts and polk t15 rears with my x4000 is that degrading my overall surround sound quality? IE: how much better would a pair of klipsch bookshelfs sound for my overall aural enjoyment?

Unless you like to listen to a lot of sacd or other 5.1 music formats, I wouldn't worry about it. It'll be fine for movies, etc.
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Do you think by having klipsch fronts and polk t15 rears with my x4000 is that degrading my overall surround sound quality? IE: how much better would a pair of klipsch bookshelfs sound for my overall aural enjoyment?

Nope. Having unmatched surrounds is far less important than having unmatched front speakers.

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Thanks both of you. Looks like I can save a few hundred for now. I might want to buy a pair of 51s in the future if only to open up the the rears a bit. Because it's about twice the size and weight of the ones I have now.

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Wow, this thread is a great reference. Way to go, batpig and jdsmoothie.

I'm looking at refurbished on Accessories4Less, and I don't think I can say no to the E400 at only $269. That's practically a Craigslist price, but I'm sure to get the remote and setup mic, plus a one year warranty. The X2000 is $399, and for that big a price difference, I don't think I can justify the X2000. I don't think banana plugs and slightly better Audessey EQ are worth a 50% price increase.

If I were to spend more, I'd be inclined to jump up to a Marantz from AC4L. It looks like the xxx7 Marantz series corresponds to the 2012 xx13 Denon models, and the xxx8 are the same platform as the 2013 (X or E) Denons. Is that correct? Do the Marantz models receive firmware updates with the same frequency or timeliness of the Denons? Are there any (proven) internal differences between the Denon line and the Marantz line, or are you just paying for the brand and the sexy front panel?
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The E300 is available for $160 less than the X1000. Say I am not interested in multi zone function, is the X1000 worth the price premium for an extra 5 watts/channel and the MultEQ XT?
Is the sound processing better on the X series?

Opinions...?
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The differences between the models are discussed in post #2 of this thread. The X1000 write-up includes an explicit list of upgrades over the E300.

There is no difference in "sound processing" besides the superior XT calibration.

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I finally got around to setting up my X4000 this past week. It replaces a still capable AVR-2310ci. Comparatively the X4000 was a breeze to set up and the audio once calibrated is fantastic.

The only thing I miss on the X4000 is that telling blue DTS HD Master audio indicator light. frown.gif Oh well.

Overall a very solid receiver so far.

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At least it says still says it on the display. The Marantz porthole sucks IMO

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The E300 is available for $160 less than the X1000. Say I am not interested in multi zone function, is the X1000 worth the price premium for an extra 5 watts/channel and the MultEQ XT?
Is the sound processing better on the X series?

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Did you REALLY just bump your own post after a mere 2 hours, even though I already answered the original post over an hour ago?!??
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I tried to read through all these pages, and did searches in this thread but couldn't find much that answers this question:

Owners of the E300 or E400, do you enjoy your receiver?

Thinking of pulling the trigger on the E400 because it's only $279 (refurb) but wanted to know if people who owned this receiver were completely happy with it. This thread seems to have more about the X series than E series.

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I tried to read through all these pages, and did searches in this thread but couldn't find much that answers this question:

Owners of the E300 or E400, do you enjoy your receiver?

Thinking of pulling the trigger on the E400 because it's only $279 (refurb) but wanted to know if people who owned this receiver were completely happy with it. This thread seems to have more about the X series than E series.

Thanks.
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Yes, extremely happy. With the E400. The only issue I have is that it seems to run on the warm side, so make sure you have adequate ventilation and/or space.
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I helped a friend set up his system with a refurb E300 from A4less and he is very happy with it. No issues at all and it looked brand new.

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Look on Amazon; new E400 for $349.00. Best Buy will price match. 2 yr warrantee for new compared to only 1 yr warrantee for refurb.
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Hi! My eyes are starting to bleed from reading this thread (and multiple different threads over this and other forums), but I just can't seem to find an answer to my question. I made a separate thread for this question, but on second thought I should've probably posted it here. So I'll just copy the question here:

 

I'm looking for a new AV Receiver and my current search has pointed me to Denon AVR-X2000 (The other serious contender right now being Yamaha RX-V775). However, I seem to be in a sort-of unique position, that I need BOTH optical in AND HDMI in for audio (obviously not at the same time) with just one (HDMI) video signal.

 

I've read through the Denon manual, but I'm unable to find specifics of how the receiver works concerning this need.

 

Okay, so the manual says I can assign inputs pretty much however I choose, yes? BUT, can I choose one HDMI input for multiple inputs? Say I have two settings, named "Games" and "Movies". Can I do this:

 

Movies: HDMI-1 Video + HDMI-1 Audio

Games; HDMI-1 Video + Optical Audio

 

And just change between them via the quick select buttons?

 

AND/OR, can I do this:

 

Just one setting. Let's say named "Computer".

I connect both HDMI and Optical connections. Then in the Audio Type (or whatever that was called) menu I select "Auto" (it allows "Digital", and "HDMI" also).

Can the receiver then play sounds from BOTH optical audio AND HDMI audio, depending on what the source sends?

 

In all cases the output will be HDMI for video and audio via speakers. HDMI and optical audio will NOT output at the same time, as far as I know.

 

Why I need this? - read on if you want the full explanation.

I'm connecting my computer to the receiver (and possible few other sources, but that shouldn't matter). My Music/Movie sounds will be output through the HDMI (via nVidia GTX680) in 2.0 - 7.1, depending on source. The sound will be unaltered by the computer (as much as possible.) I will also connect my X-Fi Titanium soundcard via optical to the receiver and all my game audio will be output via that (processed by the soundcard/software as much as needed, encoded in DDL5.1 or DTS5.1). This way I will get to enjoy both "pure" movie soundtracks and processed game audio. In the latter case, it would be ideal if the receiver could upmix that 5.1 to 7.1, though that's not a deal breaker.

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You cannot create two "logical" inputs with a single physical input. So for example you can't map a single HDMI connection to two different "names".

You CAN however assign both optical and HDMI to the same input, and then toggle the "Input Mode" setting from "Auto" to "Digital" when you want to force audio from the optical input and override the HDMI audio. Unfortunately the "Auto" setting won't work to automatically toggle because the receiver will still sense the HDMI connection and assume there's audio coming down the pipe as well.

I'm still not clear however why you can't just output the video game audio via the HDMI connection as well.
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Looking into the X4000, is it a good match for EMP speakers and do you foresee any issue with it driving 6ohm? Have ordered the EMP tower, center, and surround few days ago, was going to get the Yamaha 3030 but the YPAO is inferior to Audyssey MultEQ XT32 and it's $500 more expensive.
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You cannot create two "logical" inputs with a single physical input. So for example you can't map a single HDMI connection to two different "names".

You CAN however assign both optical and HDMI to the same input, and then toggle the "Input Mode" setting from "Auto" to "Digital" when you want to force audio from the optical input and override the HDMI audio. Unfortunately the "Auto" setting won't work to automatically toggle because the receiver will still sense the HDMI connection and assume there's audio coming down the pipe as well.

I'm still not clear however why you can't just output the video game audio via the HDMI connection as well.

Ah, darn. I was hoping (judging by the image in the manual) that I could map a physical input multiple times. Ohwell. How "hard" it is to toggle the input mode every time? Does it need multiple key presses? 

 

I can't output the video game audio via the HDMI, because the sound card cannot "redirect" the processed audio internally to the video card. And I can't use the video card (or, more specifically I *CAN* but I don't *want* to), because then I'd lose all OpenAL/EAX/CMSS-3D/whathaveyou effects that I like in games. It would be ideal to be able to redirect the processed sound card audio via the video card to the HDMI, but that is just not possible. (I'd need a device that can "inject" optical DDL audio signal into a HDMI connection, and I'm willing to bet that these either A) do not exist, or B) cost more than an arm and a leg.)

 

If the Auto-setting can't work automatically between "Digital" and "HDMI", what does it DO there then? :) I mean, what is the possible scenario where the "Auto" setting would be useful, if that really can't automatically toggle between HDMI and Digital. 

 

I'm really, REALLY tempted to just get the Denon and hope it would work like I want to, but...

 

Oh, at times like this I hate living here. It's nigh impossible to get a demo of any kind when buying audio equipment (just big-name stores, no specialized audio sellers around) and really, literally, impossible to get a demo of Denons because nobody's selling those locally. ("funny" fact: the stores here that have demo units of AV receivers do NOT hook them up to TVs, so you don't get to see the GUI *ever* before you purchase the items. Yeah, I know.)

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Looking into the X4000, is it a good match for EMP speakers and do you foresee any issue with it driving 6ohm? Have ordered the EMP tower, center, and surround few days ago, was going to get the Yamaha 3030 but the YPAO is inferior to Audyssey MultEQ XT32 and it's $500 more expensive.

x4000 drives my Klipsch and EMP are in the same range. I don't think you need much more than x4000 unless you are going ultra high end.

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