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jwhyrock's Avatar jwhyrock 04:17 AM 07-05-2014
Even if I went front wide it sounds like using 9 speakers won't do anything for me anyway right? So you are suggesting a 7.2 arrangement with the final 2 speakers of the 7 being front wide then?

As far as the sound options I was using most were Audyssey or all speakers.

jdsmoothie's Avatar jdsmoothie 04:21 AM 07-05-2014
^^
Not suggesting you limit to 7.2 at all, rather simply suggesting Front Wide and Front Height over rear surround. If you add a 2CH amp, you can expand to 9CH and then include both Front Wide and Front Height, otherwise without the external amp, just the Front Wide.

http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AM.../dp/B00026BQJ6
jwhyrock's Avatar jwhyrock 04:58 AM 07-05-2014
I can't afford an amp so it sounds like 7.2 as you described makes the most sense.
rec head's Avatar rec head 06:25 AM 07-05-2014
If you are having wires run now you should have it run for 9.2 minimum. If you're using an X4000 now then I'm guessing your next AVR will be equally as feature rich. I would run wires for the new ATMOS speakers as well. Not because you need any of this now but because it will be nice to have in place in the future. I would also make sure that I had some options to move the subs around so that they can be placed optimally once the room is set up.
D Bone's Avatar D Bone 07:41 AM 07-05-2014
As for wire, the only important factors are gauge and wire material. 12awg is overkill in all but the longest runs, but if it makes you feel better, then do it. OFC (Oxygen Free Copper) is the preferred wire material and is getting harder to find. CCA (Copper Clad Aluminum) wire is just that, AL wire with a copper coating. It's cheaper to make and is becoming the dominant material in wire found at BB. The general thought is if you're going to use CCA, then you need to get the next size up in terms of size (smaller # is thicker)............. If it doesn't specifically say OFC on the label, then you can rest assured it's CCA.

Helpful links;

Wire Size Calculator: http://www.bcae1.com/images/swfs/spe...rassistant.swf

OFC 14AWG: http://www.htd.com/Products/Speaker-...-Speaker-Cable
pdadi's Avatar pdadi 09:52 AM 07-05-2014
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Check to make sure the Video Conversion setting (p. 192 Owner's manual) is set to ON. If ON, try doing multiple resets (at least 4-5).
Bingo. you da the man. Setting video conversion to ON got the GUI over video overlay working. No need for reset.

Thanks a bunch. You saved me lot of time and shipping charges
jwhyrock's Avatar jwhyrock 11:38 AM 07-05-2014
So to wrap this up, if I understood you guys correctly it won't hurt anything to have all 9 speakers attached and plugged in, I just won't have them all working at the same time. It means depending on which sound option I select I'll use different speakers is all.

Like I mentioned I'm typically using all speaker option or Audyssey anyway.

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If you are having wires run now you should have it run for 9.2 minimum. If you're using an X4000 now then I'm guessing your next AVR will be equally as feature rich. I would run wires for the new ATMOS speakers as well. Not because you need any of this now but because it will be nice to have in place in the future. I would also make sure that I had some options to move the subs around so that they can be placed optimally once the room is set up.

rec head's Avatar rec head 11:46 AM 07-05-2014
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So to wrap this up, if I understood you guys correctly it won't hurt anything to have all 9 speakers attached and plugged in, I just won't have them all working at the same time. It means depending on which sound option I select I'll use different speakers is all.

Like I mentioned I'm typically using all speaker option or Audyssey anyway.
That's right, you can hook up all 9 without any worries. If/when you decide to get an external amp you can then use all 9 at once. My point is to wire for all 9 and consider wiring for 11.4 or even to look at the new surround formats that use ceiling speakers and wire for those too. It is just easier and probably cheaper overall to do it now.
jwhyrock's Avatar jwhyrock 01:31 PM 07-05-2014
I'll wire for 9 (it's a rental, no need to go for 11 here) and I'll look into the front wide suggestion since at best I'll be doing a 7.2 format in the cases where the movie supports it.

The Audyssey option for sound format does what exactly then? Just reads the source and applies best sound it thinks works?

If you have 9 speakers even when you use "MULTI CHANNEL STEREO" it's sending sound through 7 of them?
ambesolman's Avatar ambesolman 04:54 PM 07-05-2014
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I'll wire for 9 (it's a rental, no need to go for 11 here) and I'll look into the front wide suggestion since at best I'll be doing a 7.2 format in the cases where the movie supports it.

The Audyssey option for sound format does what exactly then? Just reads the source and applies best sound it thinks works?

If you have 9 speakers even when you use "MULTI CHANNEL STEREO" it's sending sound through 7 of them?


Just because you're sticking with 7.1 now doesn't mean you can't try 5.1 + height or wides to see if you like them. Personally I like wides better but I run both.


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jdsmoothie's Avatar jdsmoothie 08:27 PM 07-05-2014
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Originally Posted by jwhyrock View Post
I'll wire for 9 (it's a rental, no need to go for 11 here) and I'll look into the front wide suggestion since at best I'll be doing a 7.2 format in the cases where the movie supports it.

The Audyssey option for sound format does what exactly then? Just reads the source and applies best sound it thinks works?

If you have 9 speakers even when you use "MULTI CHANNEL STEREO" it's sending sound through 7 of them?
Audyssey will EQ all speakers connected in the main zone (eg. all 9 connected). Then the AVR will process audio to 7 of the 9 speakers based on the surround format you select.
pbarach's Avatar pbarach 03:52 PM 07-06-2014
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Originally Posted by jwhyrock View Post
I'll wire for 9 (it's a rental, no need to go for 11 here) and I'll look into the front wide suggestion since at best I'll be doing a 7.2 format in the cases where the movie supports it.

The Audyssey option for sound format does what exactly then? Just reads the source and applies best sound it thinks works?

If you have 9 speakers even when you use "MULTI CHANNEL STEREO" it's sending sound through 7 of them?

Not sure if you're asking "what does Audyssey do?"... but if you are, there is a full-featured Audyssey FAQ here:
"Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #51779)
Tatsenaiga's Avatar Tatsenaiga 03:36 AM 07-07-2014
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Have you calculated how much you would save? Do you remember to turn 75W/100W lights off in rooms in the house that are not being used? If your sub has an AUTO setting, it should only come on when the signal is strong enough (which would not likely be the case for lower volume music listening levels). You can manually turn the Sub Off using the OSD/menu if desired. You don't want to leave out the sub during the Audyssey calibration and also don't want to lower the speaker crossovers lower than what is set after running Audyssey.
We use energy efficient light bulbs, of course the kids still light most of the house, most of the time. I hear what your saying, thanks for your help here.I'll leave the sub on and enjoy a more complete sound.
drtwofish's Avatar drtwofish 02:01 PM 07-07-2014
Hi folks,
I hope you'll forgive my not reading all the previous 270-some pages, but I was hoping for some input on the sound quality of the E200 relative to its higher (or newer) siblings. I just picked up a set of Infinity Beta 40 towers for a song and am looking for something inexpensive but decent to drive them in my basement fun room. I currently have an AVR-1912 pushing a full Beta setup (50s/C360/10s) as my main HT, and have been very happy with it. My original intent was to just get a stereo receiver, but the connectivity and price (currently $159 on amazon) of the E200 make it appealing. Since it's the basement, a wired network connection isn't much use to me, and I don't really need the Audyssey setup since I'm going to be stereo for the moment; I expect I'll just wire up an Airport Express to get AirPlay. Thoughts? Thanks!
chf's Avatar chf 02:23 PM 07-07-2014
I want to thank jdsmoothie for his advice in choosing the X4000 to replace my ailing Marantz SR6006. The Denon unit is definitely superior to the Marantz for pulling dialog out of loud music backgrounds. It has been rock solid in my setup. Also, he was able to give me a really good deal on the price and a painless purchase process. Definitely contact him as part of your search for new products.
jdsmoothie's Avatar jdsmoothie 02:57 PM 07-07-2014
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Hi folks,
I hope you'll forgive my not reading all the previous 270-some pages, but I was hoping for some input on the sound quality of the E200 relative to its higher (or newer) siblings. I just picked up a set of Infinity Beta 40 towers for a song and am looking for something inexpensive but decent to drive them in my basement fun room. I currently have an AVR-1912 pushing a full Beta setup (50s/C360/10s) as my main HT, and have been very happy with it. My original intent was to just get a stereo receiver, but the connectivity and price (currently $159 on amazon) of the E200 make it appealing. Since it's the basement, a wired network connection isn't much use to me, and I don't really need the Audyssey setup since I'm going to be stereo for the moment; I expect I'll just wire up an Airport Express to get AirPlay. Thoughts? Thanks!
Doesn't matter if you're EQing a 5.1 setup or just 2.0 setup, Audyssey will still help to improve the audio quality, however, if you feel you don't need the extra help, the E200 should serve you well.
globalgreg's Avatar globalgreg 02:57 PM 07-07-2014
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I want to thank jdsmoothie for his advice in choosing the X4000 to replace my ailing Marantz SR6006. The Denon unit is definitely superior to the Marantz for pulling dialog out of loud music backgrounds. It has been rock solid in my setup. Also, he was able to give me a really good deal on the price and a painless purchase process. Definitely contact him as part of your search for new products.
Welcome to Audyssey MultEQ XT32!
jdsmoothie's Avatar jdsmoothie 02:59 PM 07-07-2014
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I want to thank jdsmoothie for his advice in choosing the X4000 to replace my ailing Marantz SR6006. The Denon unit is definitely superior to the Marantz for pulling dialog out of loud music backgrounds. It has been rock solid in my setup. Also, he was able to give me a really good deal on the price and a painless purchase process. Definitely contact him as part of your search for new products.
Thanks. Also, as a reminder for those of you interested, we only have "3" X2000's left at clearance pricing.
chf's Avatar chf 03:01 PM 07-07-2014
Yes, I'm sure that that's what is pulling the dialog out for me. I'm really enjoying the unit.
drtwofish's Avatar drtwofish 03:02 PM 07-07-2014
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Doesn't matter if you're EQing a 5.1 setup or just 2.0 setup, Audyssey will still help to improve the audio quality, however, if you feel you don't need the extra help, the E200 should serve you well.
Interesting - I hadn't realized Audyssey tweaked parameters besides the crossovers and distance settings. I'm actually not even sure I could run Audyssey since it won't be hooked to a tv with HDMI - I'll have to look in the manual to see if I can do that using the little display. Thanks for the input!
jdsmoothie's Avatar jdsmoothie 03:14 PM 07-07-2014
^^
Yes indeed. It EQ's them as well to a flat or slightly rolled off high frequency curve which is why it's so popular as an Auto EQ. You can use the front panel display, you just have to get close enough to read it. Some folks without a display prefer to purchase (or use) a small 12" HDMI display as it's more portable.
globalgreg's Avatar globalgreg 03:39 PM 07-07-2014
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^^
Yes indeed. It EQ's them as well to a flat or slightly rolled off high frequency curve which is why it's so popular as an Auto EQ. You can use the front panel display, you just have to get close enough to read it. Some folks without a display prefer to purchase (or use) a small 12" HDMI display as it's more portable.
I don't like my projector to be on during calibration so I use the display on the receiver. It's not bad at all to use that.
Dan in St. Louis's Avatar Dan in St. Louis 04:50 PM 07-07-2014
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The Media Player outputs are just an analog recording output, it is a fixed (not variable) RCA pre-out.
We have tried to get audio output from the Media Player Outputs on two different X4000s, and failed. We tried various input sources, including the internal radio. We even tried a Zone 2 input source since that was an option with the AVR-3313. Still no cigar.

It was my impression that any source selected in Zone 1 would be delivered from these outputs (pp 130-131 of the X4000 manual). Any tips on how to get audio out of them?

Thank you!

--Dan in St. Louis
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Tom Grooms's Avatar Tom Grooms 05:27 PM 07-07-2014
I've never tried to use the media player outputs Dan but I wonder if they are analog input/analog output only
batpig's Avatar batpig 05:38 PM 07-07-2014
I've honestly never tried it either. Historically, the REC OUT output was tied to the Zone 2 source selection and had the same restrictions (i.e. analog only) as Zone 2 output.
Dan in St. Louis's Avatar Dan in St. Louis 06:41 PM 07-07-2014
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I've honestly never tried it either. Historically, the REC OUT output was tied to the Zone 2 source selection and had the same restrictions (i.e. analog only) as Zone 2 output.
Page 99 of the 3313 manual suggests that the function can be cycled back and forth between zones 1 and 2, and cites DVD and CBL/SAT as potential sources. To me that implied that digital sources could be accepted.

Surely there must be something simple I have overlooked. Thanks!

--Dan in St. Louis
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Warner2Bruce 08:32 PM 07-07-2014
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Thanks. Also, as a reminder for those of you interested, we only have "3" X2000's left at clearance pricing.
What is your clearance pricing on the X2000's? Feel free to pm me.
Dan in St. Louis's Avatar Dan in St. Louis 08:56 PM 07-07-2014
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Page 99 of the 3313 manual suggests that the function can be cycled back and forth between zones 1 and 2, and cites DVD and CBL/SAT as potential sources. To me that implied that digital sources could be accepted.
Update: took a break to eat dinner, and the symptoms changed. Now the "Media Player Outputs" (AKA "Record Out") will deliver analog OR digital (HD) FM radio, but not Internet Radio or HDMI SAT/CBL audio.

So despite the lack of comment in the manual, they may be "analog only" (and Denon is treating HDFM as analog).

We are trying to use these outputs to "clone" the audio from one X4000 to an input on another for a client who has two receivers creating 6 zones, but sometimes wants "the same music in every room." Who can think of another way to do it?

Thank you!

--Dan in St. Louis
Tom Grooms's Avatar Tom Grooms 09:10 PM 07-07-2014
HEOS (if you have 30-45 days or so)
alfbinet's Avatar alfbinet 11:48 PM 07-07-2014
Is there anyway to enlarge the Information detail (speakers used, sound processor info, etc.) and to increase the time info is on the screen? At present, the detail for Information only lasts 2 seconds on my display and is too small.

I AM LOVING this receiver so far! Easy to use and configure and great sound.

Jim
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