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retro124's Avatar retro124 02:21 PM 07-29-2014
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Yeah, like JD says, at a store like Best Buy there will probably not be any discounts until the new models are in stock and then they want to clear out inventory. To get in on a sale at Best Buy you basically have to circle like a shark and pounce during a small window of opportunity. You might be able to find a good deal on an open box model (which would still carry full warranty).
Also many people who own now X4000 fill start to sell them so I will be one of them, mine X4000 is only 8 months old. I think when X4100 hit market there will be a lot X4000 for a good deal.

Sting82465's Avatar Sting82465 03:44 PM 07-29-2014
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Yeah, like JD says, at a store like Best Buy there will probably not be any discounts until the new models are in stock and then they want to clear out inventory. To get in on a sale at Best Buy you basically have to circle like a shark and pounce during a small window of opportunity. You might be able to find a good deal on an open box model (which would still carry full warranty).
I gave JD a call, i wanna hear what type of deals he has.
Ace Deprave's Avatar Ace Deprave 04:27 PM 07-29-2014
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I gave JD a call, i wanna hear what type of deals he has.
I called him last week for a price on the Marantz 7008 and it was a good deal...now I've changed my plans and will have to call him back for an X4000 and a Parasound P5.
JamesP1701's Avatar JamesP1701 04:51 PM 07-29-2014
Just wondering: do people tend to use dynamic eq or not?


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JamesP1701's Avatar JamesP1701 04:52 PM 07-29-2014
Reason I ask: can't decide if I like it or not. Have b & w 683 series 2 fronts, HTM 62 centre and ds3 rears. Really like fuller sound with it in, but slightly muddier dialogue annoying.


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jdsmoothie's Avatar jdsmoothie 05:53 PM 07-29-2014
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Just wondering: do people tend to use dynamic eq or not?


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Most likely do, yes.

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Reason I ask: can't decide if I like it or not. Have b & w 683 series 2 fronts, HTM 62 centre and ds3 rears. Really like fuller sound with it in, but slightly muddier dialogue annoying.


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Doesn't matter what others prefer, it's your setup. Note however, you can reduce the effect by using the Reference Level Offset set to 10db which will help to improve center channel dialogue especially for TV and music.
Disto's Avatar Disto 05:59 PM 07-29-2014
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retro124's Avatar retro124 06:46 PM 07-29-2014
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I called him last week for a price on the Marantz 7008 and it was a good deal...now I've changed my plans and will have to call him back for an X4000 and a Parasound P5.
Please PM me later on what JD said about prices, thanks Pavel
MrSanRamon's Avatar MrSanRamon 07:47 PM 07-29-2014
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Perhaps 1.5x would be more reasonable? Just depends on the makeup of your sub. Why did you have to reset the speaker volume levels? Are you using a SPL meter to confirm they didn't get set to the 75db test tone? Although rare, it's certainly possible you may have gotten a defective mic. Speaker/sub distance/level settings are all taken based only on the mic #1 position. So try running Audyssey again ensuring the 1st mic position is no closer than 1-2' from the back of the couch (if high back).
It's a psb sub I've had for probably 15 years and have run set up many times on two different pioneer receivers and it never was placed at over 2x it's actual distance, usually plus maybe 25%.

The levels weren't correct needed to level them all by probably 2 to 3 dB.

I believe that the mic was above the top of my chairs, both times.

Thanks for the advice.

Robert
sofakng's Avatar sofakng 08:01 PM 07-29-2014
Is it normal to have to change the Audio Delay on the receiver?

Before I was running my HTPC (aka Bluray player) directly to my TV through an HDMI matrix and there was no audio delay. Now I've added the AVR-X4000 and there is very large and noticeable audio/video sync issue.

Is it normal to have to manually tweak the audio delay on the receiver?

I know it supports "HDMI Auto Lip Sync" but I don't know if my TV supports it... (Vizio M651d-A2R) Apparantly it doesn't though because the video is incredibly out-of-sync...
jdsmoothie's Avatar jdsmoothie 01:26 AM 07-30-2014
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Not likely normal, no, but then that would be device dependent. HTPCs don't always play well with AVRs.
Flash3d's Avatar Flash3d 02:55 AM 07-30-2014
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The relays will only click when you change surround modes when the surround mode involves "extra" speakers beyond 5.1. Remember the X4000, despite having 11 speaker terminals, only has 7 amp channels built in. The surr.back, height and wide speakers all SHARE a pair of amp channels, and the receiver switches (using a physical relay as Selden notes) the amps from one channel to another. That is why you hear it clicking when you get to the Surr.Back speakers.

If you had a calibrated setup with 9 channels detected (heights and surr.backs for example), if you switched between say PLIIx (5.1 + back surrounds) and PLIIz (5.1 + heights) you would hear the click because it would have to physically disconnect the 2 assignable amps from the surr.backs and switch them to the heights.

It's nothing to worry about.
Responding to an almost one year post here, but I have the following question:
As I understand the X4000 has 7 amplifiers, I just added 2 wides to my 5.1 setup, am I correct that adding heights is not possible without adding a separate amplifier?


And another one:
If I would be using 5.1 and the wides (not height or back surround) why would I hear the clicking when starting and stopping a movie? Cause the "shared" amp should stay connected with the wides channel al the time.

Thanks
hiram67 03:05 AM 07-30-2014
Hello to all. I am a few days a happy owner of a Denon avr x2000. My system consists of two front-line Indian Line Tesi 240, an central Indian Line Tesi 760 and as Yamaha YST-SW012 subwoofer. I was treated 2-powered wireless outdoor speaker that I wanted to add to my system to create a 5.1. Reading in the forum, I seemed to understand that using the zone 2 is not the best way. And in fact dale tests I did, just once I could do to get the audio to wireless speakers, but it was very low and lost the connection. The speakers work, because when I connect it to my pc sound is not enough and the connection is lost. I also thought of cutting the RCA connectors to connect the speakers to the surround outputs of the denon, but I thought it so you can burn everything, cuase of the power of these outputs. I would be grateful to you if you could give me some suggestions to solve my problem, thank you.
jdsmoothie's Avatar jdsmoothie 06:06 AM 07-30-2014
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You can use the powered speakers connected to the Zone 2 pre-outs and place them on your patio. Buy a set of regular surround speakers to complete your 5.1 setup.
jdsmoothie's Avatar jdsmoothie 06:07 AM 07-30-2014
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Responding to an almost one year post here, but I have the following question:
As I understand the X4000 has 7 amplifiers, I just added 2 wides to my 5.1 setup, am I correct that adding heights is not possible without adding a separate amplifier?


And another one:
If I would be using 5.1 and the wides (not height or back surround) why would I hear the clicking when starting and stopping a movie? Cause the "shared" amp should stay connected with the wides channel al the time.

Thanks
Correct ... 5+2 = 7. When starting/stopping a movie the surround mode will change, ergo the amp clicking.
sofakng's Avatar sofakng 06:14 AM 07-30-2014
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Not likely normal, no, but then that would be device dependent. HTPCs don't always play well with AVRs.
If you don't have to specify an audio delay, how does the AVR know how long the TV is taking to process the video signal?

If I understand correctly, the AVR will play the audio immediately as it is received, but the TV takes time to perform 3:2 pulldown and other image processing so by the time the TV displays the video it's out of sync to the audio.

I think that HDMI Auto Lip Sync was created to solve this problem, but I've read that almost no TVs support it.
Flash3d's Avatar Flash3d 06:19 AM 07-30-2014
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Correct ... 5+2 = 7. When starting/stopping a movie the surround mode will change, ergo the amp clicking.
Hi Jd,


So even if you use one of the three shared amp options the clicking remains?
Just have to get used to that then .
jdsmoothie's Avatar jdsmoothie 06:26 AM 07-30-2014
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If you don't have to specify an audio delay, how does the AVR know how long the TV is taking to process the video signal?

If I understand correctly, the AVR will play the audio immediately as it is received, but the TV takes time to perform 3:2 pulldown and other image processing so by the time the TV displays the video it's out of sync to the audio.

I think that HDMI Auto Lip Sync was created to solve this problem, but I've read that almost no TVs support it.

You can set the "Video Mode" (p. 165 Owner's manual) setting to "GAME" to help mitigate any audio lag.
sofakng's Avatar sofakng 06:38 AM 07-30-2014
Thanks... I did know that, and I also posted in the Vizio M-series thread as well, but apparently Game Mode disables 3:2 pulldown and other image processing features.

Is it normal to always use Game Mode on TVs that have AVRs? (or set the Audio Delay)
jdsmoothie's Avatar jdsmoothie 07:47 AM 07-30-2014
Nope.
hiram67 09:02 AM 07-30-2014
thanks for the reply. I suspected that it was not possible to use wireless speakers to make a 5.1, but I have to give away and I wanted to exploit them. One last bizarre idea, if I connect the subwoofer connector with an RCA Y-splitter?
jdsmoothie's Avatar jdsmoothie 09:04 AM 07-30-2014
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To what end? Just use the powered speakers as Zone 2 speakers in another room ... patio, deck, den, bedroom, kitchen, etc.
hiram67 09:27 AM 07-30-2014
my goal was to do with a 5.1 wireless speaker. But at this point I think I'll use for the PC
jdsmoothie's Avatar jdsmoothie 09:37 AM 07-30-2014
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If you had purchased an AVR with a full set of 7.1 pre-outs, you could have used them for the "Side surround" speakers; however, the X2000 does not have main zone pre-outs, only Zone 2 pre-outs.
batpig's Avatar batpig 10:50 AM 07-30-2014
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Hi Jd,


So even if you use one of the three shared amp options the clicking remains?
Just have to get used to that then .
Here's the thing -- surround modes are memorized by input signal. When you pause the movie that is pushing a 5.1 signal, the bitstream drops and when the receiver is not receiving a signal it defaults to whatever surround mode is memorized for 2ch PCM/analog input.

So I think (can't test this to know for sure, but educated speculation) that if you make sure the surround mode memorized for 2ch matches the speaker output of what is memorized for 5.1 input, the clicks won't happen.

So for example, in your setup with 5.1 + Wides, the memorized surround mode for 5.1 input is probably DOLBY DIGITAL + DSX WIDE. If you send a 2ch PCM signal from that input, and make sure the surround mode is PLIIx + DSX WIDE (so identical speaker output) I am hoping it won't click because the speaker output is the same with both input signals. Same would apply do a Dolby Digital 2.0 input (e.g. the previews).
sumtoc 04:15 PM 07-30-2014
Have an older Denon AVR for my main system, just purchased and am using an AVR-E300 for my outside/patio speakers. Love the Denon iPhone app and the access it provides while outside. Everything works fine.

Except..... the E300 is disconnecting from the network, every day. The only way I can reliably get it to work again is to unplug the power cord, plug it back in, (I hear power reset clicks in the unit), turn on the unit and it connects to the network. I can then leave it on or turn it off but will have complete control with the iPhone app. The next afternoon I have to go through the same routine. Same symptoms when using the supplied remote or manual operation on the front panel, so apparently not related to the iPhone app.

Any ideas?

Nothing else on my network requires resets like this.

Thanks!
MrSanRamon's Avatar MrSanRamon 08:19 PM 07-30-2014
I can't get my denon iPad app to find my x2000.

Is there a setting in the receiver to make it "findable"?

Robert
jdsmoothie's Avatar jdsmoothie 12:24 AM 07-31-2014
^^
There's about 20 pages of helpful information provided in post #3 of this thread to include the following ....

The 'Official' 2013 Denon "E Series" / "X Series" AVR Model Owner's Thread & FAQ
jdsmoothie's Avatar jdsmoothie 12:26 AM 07-31-2014
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Have an older Denon AVR for my main system, just purchased and am using an AVR-E300 for my outside/patio speakers. Love the Denon iPhone app and the access it provides while outside. Everything works fine.

Except..... the E300 is disconnecting from the network, every day. The only way I can reliably get it to work again is to unplug the power cord, plug it back in, (I hear power reset clicks in the unit), turn on the unit and it connects to the network. I can then leave it on or turn it off but will have complete control with the iPhone app. The next afternoon I have to go through the same routine. Same symptoms when using the supplied remote or manual operation on the front panel, so apparently not related to the iPhone app.

Any ideas?

Nothing else on my network requires resets like this.

Thanks!
Have you tried rebooting the modem/router? What about using a static IP address as noted in your Owner's manual? Is the E300 wired (recommended) or connected wirelessly (not as reliable)?
Flash3d's Avatar Flash3d 03:24 AM 07-31-2014
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Here's the thing -- surround modes are memorized by input signal. When you pause the movie that is pushing a 5.1 signal, the bitstream drops and when the receiver is not receiving a signal it defaults to whatever surround mode is memorized for 2ch PCM/analog input.

So I think (can't test this to know for sure, but educated speculation) that if you make sure the surround mode memorized for 2ch matches the speaker output of what is memorized for 5.1 input, the clicks won't happen.

So for example, in your setup with 5.1 + Wides, the memorized surround mode for 5.1 input is probably DOLBY DIGITAL + DSX WIDE. If you send a 2ch PCM signal from that input, and make sure the surround mode is PLIIx + DSX WIDE (so identical speaker output) I am hoping it won't click because the speaker output is the same with both input signals. Same would apply do a Dolby Digital 2.0 input (e.g. the previews).
Thanks, gave it a try last evening and played some 2 channel audio (mp3 from PCH A400) and that 2 channel preset was already set on 7 channel (dts neo). So unfortunately the clicking remains.
I'm just a bit worried the switches will fail after some time (when starting movie there are about 8 clicks) with all this HDMI handshaking. But probably that's my OCD playing a part
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