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Hi,

I've got since 1 week a DENON AVR-X2000 and yesterday I tried Airplay and DLNA functions...bad idea

I've got the same issue as others, now sound level on network sources is very low.

I tried USB firmware update, but it don't want to proceed it because last firmware version is already in...

Can I "force" USB update ? another solution to recover good sound level ?

Thanks.
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Hi,

I just had a bit of strange occurrence with my X4000 - while watching a regular dvd, the image was replaced with a black screen and the word "DENON" in larger letters in the middle. While the image from the film was replaced by the black Denon screen, the dvd keep playing (I could see the time changing on the blu-ray player). I'm not sure if the sound continued to play or not as this occurred during a near silent part of the film. Changing the X4000 input source to another input and then back to the blu-ray player restored normal playback of the film.

Something similar happened a week ago while listening to a CD - I lost sound and got the black Denon screen. The same steps solved the problem.

These are the only times I recall having any problems with my X4000. Is this likely something to be concerned about?

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Hi,

I've got since 1 week a DENON AVR-X2000 and yesterday I tried Airplay and DLNA functions...bad idea

I've got the same issue as others, now sound level on network sources is very low.

I tried USB firmware update, but it don't want to proceed it because last firmware version is already in...

Can I "force" USB update ? another solution to recover good sound level ?

Thanks.
Just return it to the seller and get a new unit. You could "brick" the unit by trying to force an older USB update although as you'll likely return it anyway, no harm in trying to force the update, although I would check with the seller to confirm that is acceptable first.

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Have you tried rebooting the modem/router? What about using a static IP address as noted in your Owner's manual? Is the E300 wired (recommended) or connected wirelessly (not as reliable)?
Already tried rebooting the router and entire network, no help. It is wired to the network, not wireless. Took the defaults when setting it up so not sure about the static IP address, I'll check.

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Not unless it occurs on a regular basis.
Thanks.

So I guess I'm wondering if this points to my unit starting to fail?

Is there a more benign possible explanation?
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Not a common issue other than perhaps a loose cable fitting so that's the best I can do.

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Not a common issue other than perhaps a loose cable fitting so that's the best I can do.
I had the same thought. Hopefully my fiddling with the cable connections has fixed things. Thanks
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Posts 1-7 provide helpful information

As a reminder ... on page 1 of this thread ....

Post 1-2: Features of each model
Post 3 - General info + Troubleshooting tips
Post 4 - Issues discussed in thread
Post 5 - Microprocessor/Network reset procedure
Post 6 - Firmware change log information
Post 7 - 2013 vs. 2012 model comparison

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I have my X3000 setup to use the CEC settings in my Samsung UN46D7000 and Bluray player. I did turn off the power off feature of the AVR because the pass thru was Not useable since the TV would cut off with the AVR. I do like the receiver control through the TV.
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Any Audyssey mic released from 2008 onward will work with the X4000 which is shipped with the ACM1HB mic.
took a minute but I found it. Yeah I was looking on the underside that has numbers. But I see the ACM1HB. I have an old one must be just before 2008 I guess DM-A409.

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That was the one shipped with the 2008 models and will still work.

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That was the one shipped with the 2008 models and will still work.
I believe you I just remember someone saying make sure to use the one that came with it. It makes sense, and it doesn't matter now because I have them stored with their proper AVRs.

I'm going to try to move my towers further apart, I like the sound I just want to see if I get a fuller sound not being so close together.

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Hopefully I'm not developing an issue.

Just sitting here watching tv and the X4000 shut off with a blinking red light. Powered back up fine. Had it since late Dec and its been fine so far. I did a processor reset when I first got it, then recently before I reran audyssey.

Should not be a wire issue because it is only working as a preamp for my outlaw amp.
Just to revisit this post from 7/25, I have not had another issue. A couple of days later I did 5 processor resets and re-ran audyssey.

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Received my AVR-E400 from Crutchfield this weekend along with Samsung UHD TV and Cambridge Audio MINx 5.1 speakers. Plugged everything in and all seemed to be playing nicely (blu-ray, STB, ATV). Came back this afternoon after listening to Denon's Pandora app this morning and I have lost all audio output. Seems totally bizarre but the Denon no longer outputs any sound to my speakers. Reset the microprocessor, unplugged it for 10 min, tried different sources with nothing...Everything else seems to be functioning as it should.

Brand new and it something seems to have died inside. I ran the Audessy setup twice afterwards and it was telling me there were no speakers connected when it tried to run the test. This is 5 hours after running the setup successfully. Called Crutchfield and they are shipping out a replacement but the CSR seemed as perplexed as me with regard to what it could be.

Has anyone ever heard of/had this happening? Did I just get a lemon.

And no I don't have headphones plugged in

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there are three basic categories:

1. STANDARD modes which are the core surround sound processing modes without any "enhancement"
2. 2CH LISTENING modes which include Stereo and Direct surround modes
3. DENON DSP modes like MultiCH Stereo, Jazz Club, etc. which add some proprietary "enhancement" processing

With a stereo input signal the "STANDARD" button will cycle through various upmix flavors (again the correlation with "standard" and surround sound), so it might go PLIIx Cinema > PLIIx Music > DTS Neo:X Cinema > DTS Neo:X Music etc.
Thank you for clarifying this. So, if I understand correctly, the receiver memorizes unique settings for every combination of Input + Signal-Type + Mode? For instance, you could set HDMI-1 + 2-ch + Movie = DDPLII whereas HDMI-1 + 2-ch + Music = Multi-Ch-Stereo ?

I have the issue that I can't make my X2000 use the subwoofer for any stereo input. My preferred method of playback is via the DLNA Renderer (using J River Media Center as my source and BubbleUPnP on my tablet as the controller). The only way I've managed to get 2.1 sound is using a direct HDMI link to my HTPC, then using J River's extensive customization to send a 2.1 PCM signal to the Denon.

Is there a particular Music mode which enables 2.1 playback on any stereo input? Thank you for any suggestions!

P.S. I can also get the sub if I use one of the 5.1 Movie modes but then I get weird/unwanted surround processing.

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Is there a particular Music mode which enables 2.1 playback on any stereo input?
Of course, after posting this I finally figure it out

I had to go into Audio > Bass, then change the first option to "LFE + Main" (it was originally set to "LFE"). I now get 2.1 action on the generic "Stereo" Music-mode!

FYI - There was also an on-screen Tip that said "LFE" would only work on stereo signals if your speakers were set to 'Small'. I have full-range towers which are set to 'Large' so the "LFE + Main" forces the Denon to use the sub anyways.
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Of course, after posting this I finally figure it out

I had to go into Audio > Bass, then change the first option to "LFE + Main" (it was originally set to "LFE"). I now get 2.1 action on the generic "Stereo" Music-mode!

FYI - There was also an on-screen Tip that said "LFE" would only work on stereo signals if your speakers were set to 'Small'. I have full-range towers which are set to 'Large' so the "LFE + Main" forces the Denon to use the sub anyways.
LFE + Main means you're doubling up your bass, so both the mains and sub cover it. Not optimal.

Once you set Small, you can specify the crossover, and it can be very low if you like. If your towers were actually full-range, then by definition you wouldn't need a sub.
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Received my AVR-E400 from Crutchfield this weekend along with Samsung UHD TV and Cambridge Audio MINx 5.1 speakers. Plugged everything in and all seemed to be playing nicely (blu-ray, STB, ATV). Came back this afternoon after listening to Denon's Pandora app this morning and I have lost all audio output. Seems totally bizarre but the Denon no longer outputs any sound to my speakers. Reset the microprocessor, unplugged it for 10 min, tried different sources with nothing...Everything else seems to be functioning as it should.

Brand new and it something seems to have died inside. I ran the Audessy setup twice afterwards and it was telling me there were no speakers connected when it tried to run the test. This is 5 hours after running the setup successfully. Called Crutchfield and they are shipping out a replacement but the CSR seemed as perplexed as me with regard to what it could be.

Has anyone ever heard of/had this happening? Did I just get a lemon.

And no I don't have headphones plugged in

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Of course, after posting this I finally figure it out

I had to go into Audio > Bass, then change the first option to "LFE + Main" (it was originally set to "LFE"). I now get 2.1 action on the generic "Stereo" Music-mode!

FYI - There was also an on-screen Tip that said "LFE" would only work on stereo signals if your speakers were set to 'Small'. I have full-range towers which are set to 'Large' so the "LFE + Main" forces the Denon to use the sub anyways.
Regardless of the capability of your FL/FR speakers, the sub is likely much more capable at reproducing <80Hz audio which is why the recommendation for most is SMALL/80Hz for the FL/FR speakers.

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I've also posted this in other relevant threads. But do you think the x4000 is inadequate for the Klipsch RC-62II with it's 90w pc? It was one of the possibilities Klipsch rep brought up when I called about unnatural sounding dialogue.

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Does anybody know if I can connect the speakers from the Sony BDVN7100W to the Denon AVR E?
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I've also posted this in other relevant threads. But do you think the x4000 is inadequate for the Klipsch RC-62II with it's 90w pc? It was one of the possibilities Klipsch rep brought up when I called about unnatural sounding dialogue.
It absolutely shouldn't be a power issue. Klipsch are extremely efficient speakers, meaning they are easy to power. Any receiver should handle it fine.

How's it sound without Audyssey? Have you tried plugging it into a different channel on the receiver? Changed out the cables?

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It absolutely shouldn't be a power issue. Klipsch are extremely efficient speakers, meaning they are easy to power. Any receiver should handle it fine.

How's it sound without Audyssey? Have you tried plugging it into a different channel on the receiver? Changed out the cables?
Well I've used the L as the C and it sounded about the same. Maybe only slightly better. Again it was listening to dialogue on a stand so not a great test. Without Audyssey it's better but not better enough. I know Klipsch are known to be "forward" but I didn't expect forward to mean unnatural. At some point I might trail an Aperion for 30 days to see if it's really just me needing a change.

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do the Audy calibration with the Klipsch toed in directly towards the mic and try again....i had to do this to get my Chorus IIs to sound "right"
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I've also posted this in other relevant threads. But do you think the x4000 is inadequate for the Klipsch RC-62II with it's 90w pc? It was one of the possibilities Klipsch rep brought up when I called about unnatural sounding dialogue.
The X4000 is actually rated at 125W/CH; however, even a 50W AVR would have more than enough power for those speakers.

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Does anybody know if I can connect the speakers from the Sony BDVN7100W to the Denon AVR E?
HTIB speakers are generally designed to only be used with the HTIB receiver. The sub is "passive" so definitely cannot be used. Better to sell the HTIB and apply those funds towards a new AVR and 5.1 speaker setup.

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do the Audy calibration with the Klipsch toed in directly towards the mic and try again....i had to do this to get my Chorus IIs to sound "right"
Thanks will try that. Maybe it's just my allergy/sinus acting up again. I remember this happening several months ago then they were fine. So maybe my head/ears are making the klipsch sound a bit off right now.

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do the Audy calibration with the Klipsch toed in directly towards the mic and try again....i had to do this to get my Chorus IIs to sound "right"
Does everyone toe their fronts in toward their main listening position? I'm struck that two-channel stereo folks position their speakers somewhere between no-toe-in and full-toe-in to get optimal soundstaging, is there any reason stereo and home theater should be different?

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And yes, they are toed in. They are around 10ft apart from each other, and around 10ft from the main listening position, which is a end table between my wife and I. I have them toed in and aimed not at the MLP, but they cross the inner arm rests on our chairs (used a laser).
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