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on my x4000 i have to go in the settings and tell it that i have added a sub..or 2
the x4000 has 2 inputs. One labeled sub 1 one labeled sub 2. As long as you hook them up properly then run audyssey it will know you've got 2 subs.

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So have had my X2000 for 2-3 months (thanks JD!) and today a thunderstorm rolled through. I have all my components plugged into a pure sine UPS and have a whole home surge protector at the panel. Well my TV showed no signal suddenly (no boom or strike... I've heard of static electricity being residual?). I can't get any output on the X2000 on a known good TV and HDMI cable. I have done the soft reset as well as the micro processor reset five times.

JD, should I give Denon a call?

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So have had my X2000 for 2-3 months (thanks JD!) and today a thunderstorm rolled through. I have all my components plugged into a pure sine UPS and have a whole home surge protector at the panel. Well my TV showed no signal suddenly (no boom or strike... I've heard of static electricity being residual?). I can't get any output on the X2000 on a known good TV and HDMI cable. I have done the soft reset as well as the micro processor reset five times.

JD, should I give Denon a call?
Had a similar issue a few months ago. Couldn't get any video on any of my plasma's HDMI inputs, component was fine. Tested each input with a tablet and everything else I could think of, nada. This was after a lightning strike directly over the house, equipment is on good surge suppressors but not on UPSs - And it only affected HDMI.

Try this: Unplug everything from TV and AVR, let them be for a few hours. I was about to take the screwdriver to the TV after leaving it unplugged for 3 - 4 hours, but figured I would test it again and the HDMI inputs were working. Did not fare so well for the cheapo AVR I had in that room, it's HDMI output was shot.

Worth a try, hope it works out for you.

EDIT: Re-read and see you know the TV is good. Still would try unplugging AVR for at least a few hours. Fingers crossed...

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Had a similar issue a few months ago. Couldn't get any video on any of my plasma's HDMI inputs, component was fine. Tested each input with a tablet and everything else I could think of, nada. This was after a lightning strike directly over the house, equipment is on good surge suppressors but not on UPSs - And it only affected HDMI.

Try this: Unplug everything from TV and AVR, let them be for a few hours. I was about to take the screwdriver to the TV after leaving it unplugged for 3 - 4 hours, but figured I would test it again and the HDMI inputs were working. Did not fare so well for the cheapo AVR I had in that room, it's HDMI output was shot.

Worth a try, hope it works out for you.
Appreciate the response, but I am using another TV that has a known good HDMI port and using a known good HDMI cable. This was all verified with a good source (laptop). So I took those known good components and tried getting a signal from the X2000. No joy. Soft reset (10 minutes unplugged), no joy. Micro processor rest (5 times), no joy.

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EDIT: Re-read and see you know the TV is good. Still would try unplugging AVR for at least a few hours. Fingers crossed...
No problem! Appreciate the well wishes. Cheers!

Edit: I do have the AVR unplugged as I am going to bed. I'll get around to it tomorrow afternoon.

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Hi dantr0n, since you added the sub run auto setup.
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Try resetting the microprocessor and then run Audyssey immediately after. If still no joy, exchange the unit.
Resetting the microprocessor w/Audyssey followup didn't work. I hooked up the sub to my TV and confirmed the sub is working fine. I'll play around with it a bit more but it sound like I need to warranty it out. Appreciate the suggestions.
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So have had my X2000 for 2-3 months (thanks JD!) and today a thunderstorm rolled through. I have all my components plugged into a pure sine UPS and have a whole home surge protector at the panel. Well my TV showed no signal suddenly (no boom or strike... I've heard of static electricity being residual?). I can't get any output on the X2000 on a known good TV and HDMI cable. I have done the soft reset as well as the micro processor reset five times.

JD, should I give Denon a call?
Yup as well as the UPS and whole home surge protector companies as they usually have insurance money that may be available for replacement.

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Just an FYI ... but the X4000's are starting to be in limited supply as stock is sold off for the soon to be released X4100W which will initially be $100 more until Sep 26 and after that is expected to go up another $100 ($1499 MSRP), or $200 more than the X4000.

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Just an FYI ... but the X4000's are starting to be in limited supply as stock is sold off for the soon to be released X4100W which will initially be $100 more until Sep 26 and after that is expected to go up another $100 ($1499 MSRP), or $200 more than the X4000.
WOW $200 more it is a suprice. Is there any another reason then Atmos to go with X4100W compare to X4000?

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X4100W vs X4000:

Added: 1 extra HDMI input, 4k/60fps upscale/pass through on all HDMI inputs, ISF Certification, 13.2 main zone pre-outs vs. 11.2, Dolby Atmos (5.1.2, 5.1.4, 7.1.2), Built in Bluetooth & Wifi; ECO mode (reduced power when not required), Video Select (adds Bluetooth and Spotify Connect), Quick Select buttons on the remote (brought back), 4/6 ohm setting, Spotify Connect (Spotify Premium subscription required; started from Android/iOS device), TV Audio Switching (defeats AVR switching to TV Audio source when using HDMI (ARC)), Sectional mic stand to support Audyssey mic, DSD and FLAC over USB and network

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I'm going to resist atmos and try to keep my x4000 at least for a few years. I got it when it was on sale for 1k. It's way more than I ever thought I would spend on an AVR. But that's the HT hobby for ya. Start out with $1000 TVs. End up with $1000 just for your AVR.

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How is the E400 reciever? Its only 238$ on accessories 4 less, apparantly it benchmarked 60wpc with all channels driven? Curiously how it would do with a HTD level 3 5.1 set or is my current yamaha RX467 good enough,
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For only $50 (MSRP) more, the X2000 is a better buy as it adds a better version of Audyssey, extra year of warranty, and Zone 2 pre-outs.

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The both use MULTEQ so how is it better o.O
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The "X" series use the more advanced MultEQ XT.

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Any one here running an x4000 with Klipsch Rf-7 or RC-64's? I was wondering if the x4000 is powerful enough to run them? I have my front running off a 200wpc seperate amp now but would rather just run all the speakers off the AV. But dont want to under power/damage the speakers.
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Hah! Easily. A squirrel in a roller cage could power those speakers, they're so efficient ... on average only using 1-2W of power.
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X4100W vs X4000:

Added: 1 extra HDMI input, 4k/60fps upscale/pass through on all HDMI inputs, ISF Certification, 13.2 main zone pre-outs vs. 11.2, Dolby Atmos (5.1.2, 5.1.4, 7.1.2), Built in Bluetooth & Wifi; ECO mode (reduced power when not required), Video Select (adds Bluetooth and Spotify Connect), Quick Select buttons on the remote (brought back), 4/6 ohm setting, Spotify Connect (Spotify Premium subscription required; started from Android/iOS device), TV Audio Switching (defeats AVR switching to TV Audio source when using HDMI (ARC)), Sectional mic stand to support Audyssey mic, DSD and FLAC over USB and network

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plus the 4100 is certified for 4ohm loads, right? not a huge deal, but for someone like me, I would ditch my amplifier if the 4000 could handle a 4ohm load at reference levels.

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It can't. No difference between X4000 and X4100W in that 4-ohm speakers can be powered to moderate volume levels only. The 2014 models simply use a 4-ohm current limiting switch which will shut the unit down sooner.

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Hah! Easily. A squirrel in a roller cage could power those speakers, they're so efficient ... on average only using 1-2W of power.
I did another ear defening test. Sitting infront of my center channel at reference. Even got my friend to do it.

We both picked the amp over the x4000. But we both couldn't tell much if any of a difference. The amp may be a tiny tiny tiny bit cleaner at that level. But still, not sure its worth keeping the amps. I was looking for that "oh wow" when hooking the amp up. Honestly if there is a difference its the lower noise floor on the amp over the x4000. But not really noticeable. I think the amps are going back and I will stick with the 4000 powering it all.

Return those amps...more money for subs and sub amps!
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Much more beneficial improvement adding a pair of quality subs (eg. SVS).

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Hdmi 1 and 2 output at the same time?

Hi. Trying to confirm something and the manual is vague.

The x4000 manual states it can do a dual output for zone 1&2. Does that mean it will output the video signal input to BOTH zones at the SAME time?
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Much more beneficial improvement adding a pair of quality subs (eg. SVS).
Or the XV15se. Incredible sub.
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Hi. Trying to confirm something and the manual is vague.

The x4000 manual states it can do a dual output for zone 1&2. Does that mean it will output the video signal input to BOTH zones at the SAME time?
It can yes, or they can be from two different sources. The X4000 has (2) main zone HDMI outputs (eg. TV and PJ) and (1) Zone 2 HDMI output. However, when passing the same source to the main zone and Zone 2, the audio/video will be limited to the capability of the lowest common denominator (ie. if the Zone 2 HDMI is connected to a 720p TV with only stereo capability, when that same source is played to both zones at the same time, the main zone will be down scaled to 720p and stereo audio as well, so you would have to use a 5.1 simulation surround mode to get audio from all speakers in a 5.1/7.1 setup).

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Thank so much! Not concerned about audio, just wanted to confirm it was acting as a splitter so that I don't have to purchase one.
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Hi guys, trying to get the subs working in 2ch on my X4000 but having no luck, I've looked at batpig's guide but nothing seems to be working.

Setup is as follows:

CA 640c V2 connected to X4000 via coax (the analogue outputs on the 640c have died)

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Speakers set to small.

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Are you using a dedicated set of 2CH stereo speakers or the same FL/FR speakers in the 5.1 surround setup? Ensure the FL/FR speakers are set to SMALL/80Hz.

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Are you using a dedicated set of 2CH stereo speakers or the same FL/FR speakers in the 5.1 surround setup? Ensure the FL/FR speakers are set to SMALL/80Hz.
The same ones as in the 7.1 setup, yep they are set to small.
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You can't just set them to SMALL, rather you must also RAISE the crossover to 80Hz if you want more action from the sub. Also while in the Stereo surround mode, go into Manual setup and ensure the FL/FR are set to SMALL/80Hz.

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post
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You can't just set them to SMALL, rather you must also RAISE the crossover to 80Hz if you want more action from the sub. Also while in the Stereo surround mode, go into Manual setup and ensure the FL/FR are set to SMALL/80Hz.
Sorry should've elaborated, crossover is set to 80 Hz and speakers small, also did the manual setup for FL/FR.
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