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I'm considering the addition of wides to my x4000 5.2 system for movie use, and I already have a pair of unused speakers that are a reasonable match to those in use. But a number of reviews/forum posts about Audyssey DSX complained about movie dialogue sounding echoey or hollow when the voices on the soundtrack were not coming from dead center.

Before I move everything around and hook up these wides, can you guys tell me what your experience has been with wides and whether you have noticed this artifact?
Those reviews are accurate. DSX works by generating synthesized reflections based on the left and right channels. It does this to enhance the sense of "auditory source width" which research has shown people find pleasing. When it's working well it can enhance the sense of scale and immersion and make a small room sound like a huge theater. But when it encounters content that doesn't work well (especially dialogue panning to the sides) it can sound unnatural and echoey.

That said the X4000 also has Neo:X which works differently and doesn't create this type of artifact. So you have options.

Since you have the speakers, not much to lose by setting them up and trying them out. I think you'll like it. Mo speakers mo better.
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Wides

I'm considering the addition of wides to my x4000 5.2 system for movie use, and I already have a pair of unused speakers that are a reasonable match to those in use. But a number of reviews/forum posts about Audyssey DSX complained about movie dialogue sounding echoey or hollow when the voices on the soundtrack were not coming from dead center.

Before I move everything around and hook up these wides, can you guys tell me what your experience has been with wides and whether you have noticed this artifact?
More owners (including myself) likely prefer using DTS Neo:X for front wides rather than DSX. Using them most definitely helps to expand the front sound stage and dialogue is still very much center channel focused. Addiitionally, adding Front wides should provide a much better expansion than either Front Heights or Surround Backs.
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The 'Official' 2013 Denon "E Series" / "X Series" AVR Model Owner's Thread & FAQ

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Wides

I'm considering the addition of wides to my x4000 5.2 system for movie use, and I already have a pair of unused speakers that are a reasonable match to those in use. But a number of reviews/forum posts about Audyssey DSX complained about movie dialogue sounding echoey or hollow when the voices on the soundtrack were not coming from dead center.

Before I move everything around and hook up these wides, can you guys tell me what your experience has been with wides and whether you have noticed this artifact?

Been using mine with my x4000 for about a year. Very much like NeoX for everything except music, generally stay 2.x for music.

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More owners (including myself) likely prefer using DTS Neo:X for front wides rather than DSX. Using them most definitely helps to expand the front sound stage and dialogue is still very much center channel focused. Addiitionally, adding Front wides should provide a much better expansion than either Front Heights or Surround Backs.

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I recently upgraded to the 4520ci and setup wides. I have to say it has been nothing but positive results. I have been running DSX over Neo X. Personally I have only switched to Neo X a few times. Maybe I should try a movie but right now I'm enjoying DSX.

I just got through hanging my heights tonight and tomorrow I'm going to run the wires. After than I need to re run audessey and see how I like all of it.
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Thanks for the responses to DSX and (Neo-X). I'll have to give this some thought. It means completely moving all of the equipment and furnishings in the room, placing the subs again, etc. Not sure if (to me) it's worth the effort, but I'll think about it.

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Picked up an x2000 1/2 off from Crutchfield. I really like it and want it to last. The thing runs hot, even with plenty of space underneath and above. Placed a 120 mm quite fan top. Works great drops the operating temps 25+ deg.
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