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I'm considering the addition of wides to my x4000 5.2 system for movie use, and I already have a pair of unused speakers that are a reasonable match to those in use. But a number of reviews/forum posts about Audyssey DSX complained about movie dialogue sounding echoey or hollow when the voices on the soundtrack were not coming from dead center.

Before I move everything around and hook up these wides, can you guys tell me what your experience has been with wides and whether you have noticed this artifact?
Those reviews are accurate. DSX works by generating synthesized reflections based on the left and right channels. It does this to enhance the sense of "auditory source width" which research has shown people find pleasing. When it's working well it can enhance the sense of scale and immersion and make a small room sound like a huge theater. But when it encounters content that doesn't work well (especially dialogue panning to the sides) it can sound unnatural and echoey.

That said the X4000 also has Neo:X which works differently and doesn't create this type of artifact. So you have options.

Since you have the speakers, not much to lose by setting them up and trying them out. I think you'll like it. Mo speakers mo better.
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Wides

I'm considering the addition of wides to my x4000 5.2 system for movie use, and I already have a pair of unused speakers that are a reasonable match to those in use. But a number of reviews/forum posts about Audyssey DSX complained about movie dialogue sounding echoey or hollow when the voices on the soundtrack were not coming from dead center.

Before I move everything around and hook up these wides, can you guys tell me what your experience has been with wides and whether you have noticed this artifact?
More owners (including myself) likely prefer using DTS Neo:X for front wides rather than DSX. Using them most definitely helps to expand the front sound stage and dialogue is still very much center channel focused. Addiitionally, adding Front wides should provide a much better expansion than either Front Heights or Surround Backs.
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I'm considering the addition of wides to my x4000 5.2 system for movie use, and I already have a pair of unused speakers that are a reasonable match to those in use. But a number of reviews/forum posts about Audyssey DSX complained about movie dialogue sounding echoey or hollow when the voices on the soundtrack were not coming from dead center.

Before I move everything around and hook up these wides, can you guys tell me what your experience has been with wides and whether you have noticed this artifact?

Been using mine with my x4000 for about a year. Very much like NeoX for everything except music, generally stay 2.x for music.

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More owners (including myself) likely prefer using DTS Neo:X for front wides rather than DSX. Using them most definitely helps to expand the front sound stage and dialogue is still very much center channel focused. Addiitionally, adding Front wides should provide a much better expansion than either Front Heights or Surround Backs.

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I recently upgraded to the 4520ci and setup wides. I have to say it has been nothing but positive results. I have been running DSX over Neo X. Personally I have only switched to Neo X a few times. Maybe I should try a movie but right now I'm enjoying DSX.

I just got through hanging my heights tonight and tomorrow I'm going to run the wires. After than I need to re run audessey and see how I like all of it.
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Thanks for the responses to DSX and (Neo-X). I'll have to give this some thought. It means completely moving all of the equipment and furnishings in the room, placing the subs again, etc. Not sure if (to me) it's worth the effort, but I'll think about it.

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Picked up an x2000 1/2 off from Crutchfield. I really like it and want it to last. The thing runs hot, even with plenty of space underneath and above. Placed a 120 mm quite fan top. Works great drops the operating temps 25+ deg.
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Heavily leaning toward the X4000 as an update to my 1911. Want to take advantage of 7.2 output, the advanced Audyssey, and perhaps the pre-amp outs at some point in the future.

Reading through the forums, customer reviews from different retailers, etc, I'm seeing more complaints than I'm comfortable with concerning defective units. Now I understand that those with a complaint are more vocal than those that are satisfied customers, but there still seems to be plenty of out of the box failures or shutdown issues after a few weeks.

I've perused this thread, but 315 pages is a lot of reading. Can someone here that is familiar with the Denon X4000 (jdsmoothie, Batpig) provide a summary of reported known issues, perhaps from 1st generation units, that have been resolved, issues that are unresolved, and then a summary of overall dependability of this model? Have there been improvements is later models regarding overall dependability and customer satisfaction?

I did see jdsmoothie's summary of issues listed and resolution in one of the first several posts. Didn't see where any comments there addressed Denon resolution of seemingly high numbers of units reported as bricking within the first year.

Thanks for any insight provided. I'm running Goldenear Triton II for L/R, XL for the Center. Will be adding Invisa HTE 7000 for wides and surrounds down the road.

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Not sure where you're reading "seemingly high numbers of units bricking in the first year." As you say, those with issues are vocal, whereas those without issues have no reason to post. Simply purchase from an authorized dealer to ensure you have a valid warranty if ever required.

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Heavily leaning toward the X4000 as an update to my 1911. Want to take advantage of 7.2 output, the advanced Audyssey, and perhaps the pre-amp outs at some point in the future.

Reading through the forums, customer reviews from different retailers, etc, I'm seeing more complaints than I'm comfortable with concerning defective units. Now I understand that those with a complaint are more vocal than those that are satisfied customers, but there still seems to be plenty of out of the box failures or shutdown issues after a few weeks.

I've perused this thread, but 315 pages is a lot of reading. Can someone here that is familiar with the Denon X4000 (jdsmoothie, Batpig) provide a summary of reported known issues, perhaps from 1st generation units, that have been resolved, issues that are unresolved, and then a summary of overall dependability of this model? Have there been improvements is later models regarding overall dependability and customer satisfaction?

I did see jdsmoothie's summary of issues listed and resolution in one of the first several posts. Didn't see where any comments there addressed Denon resolution of seemingly high numbers of units reported as bricking within the first year.

Thanks for any insight provided. I'm running Goldenear Triton II for L/R, XL for the Center. Will be adding Invisa HTE 7000 for wides and surrounds down the road.

Brad
I agree with jdsmoothie with the warranty and such. But I too was a little uncomfortable after reading people here and online reviews about going into protection mode. I purchased a x4000 unit at Best Buy with Amazon price match. I bench tested it for a few days and found out that the Denon 4520ci was only $400 more than the x4000. That's a lot more reciever for the money with better components. Also it's built in Japan like my older 3806 that has been flawless since 2006. The x4000 is built in China.

Yes, all new units bought from authorized dealers have the 3 year warranty but it's a pain getting something fixed that goes into protection mode at random. To me not worth the hassle.
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Starting to look into how I can control the X2000 with my HTPC. The HTPC is used strictly for move playback. Currently I use my wireless keyboard to control the HTPC movies and the Denon remote for volume.

I see that Phone and Tablet apps can control the volume on the receiver but I am not really finding how to control with the PC. Is there anything out there? I found the Denon Command sheet but have no idea how I send those commands to the reciever.

Any help would be great!
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