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I don't usually use volume levels > 65, and put a limiter at 70. So parallel is the preferred wiring method?
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I don't usually use volume levels > 65, and put a limiter at 70. So parallel is the preferred wiring method?
Depends. Wiring 2 speakers in parallel means you cut the total impedance in half, i.e., two 4 Ohm speakers in parallel becomes 2 Ohms, which is pretty hard on your AVR. Better to go series in that case, where they are added, as Dan said.
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Angry Im stuck in HDCP Hell...any last advice?

My AVR-E400 is less than a year old. It worked perfectly fine up until recently. I have for a few days now searched high and low and have done a tremendous amount of troublshooting resulting in being damn sure the problem lies with the Denon AVR and not the mutlitude of HDMI cables used, nor the various input devices, nor the two TVs...I am just wondering if Denon can "fix" this...


First symptoms were "HDCP required"error messages from my AppleTV. Thensoon after no output devices (BluRay, HD Cable Box, XBOX, AppleTV) would sendan A/V signal to the TV (Panasonic Plasma). ALL of these devices work perfectly when routed directly to the TV with thecurrent, new, modern "smart" high speed HDMI cables as well as olderunknown HDMI cables I have lying around.

I have tried to "reset" the HDCP handshake bydisconnecting everything, powering everything down, unhooking all cables (and swapping ends in some cases) and then restarting inevery possible combination of sequence order. Nothing works. No a/v signalmakes it through the Denon HDMI "switching" (HDMI monitor out toTV). I have also tried all TV HDMI inputs(3). Every one works perfectly with alloutput devices when wired directly. Noneof them work at all when wired through the Denon AVR e-400. I have taken the Apple TV and swapped it withanother system from another room. Itworked fine on the other TV, and the one that was on that other TV worked finedirectly connected to the system in question, but did not work when wiredthrough the Denon avr. I have updated firmware although I no longer get onscreen display for the Denon so I think I updated firmware there hard to tell with the device display.
I have read tons of posts and tons of advice - I dont recall seeing anyone having to resort to official service.

If there is something I havent tried by all means let me know but I think I covered all the common techniques OUTSIDE of buying additional equiment (splitter) which I dont feel i should have to do with a new AVR that is supposed to work.
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I don't usually use volume levels > 65, and put a limiter at 70. So parallel is the preferred wiring method?
Page 250 of the X4000 Owners Manual mentions speaker impedances from 4 to 16 ohms.

So if you wire two 4 ohm center speakers in parallel you would be down to 2 ohms. Don't. In series they would be 8 ohms -- just right.

If you wire two 8 ohm speakers in parallel you would have 4 ohms -- acceptable. In series they would be 16 ohms -- also acceptable.

If you wire two 16 ohm speakers in parallel you would have 8 ohms -- just right. In series they would be 32 ohms -- too high.

I'd wager that you will have no difference in sound or reliability either way.

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Page 250 of the X4000 Owners Manual mentions speaker impedances from 4 to 16 ohms.

So if you wire two 4 ohm center speakers in parallel you would be down to 2 ohms. Don't. In series they would be 8 ohms -- just right.

If you wire two 8 ohm speakers in parallel you would have 4 ohms -- acceptable. In series they would be 16 ohms -- also acceptable.

If you wire two 16 ohm speakers in parallel you would have 8 ohms -- just right. In series they would be 32 ohms -- too high.

I'd wager that you will have no difference in sound or reliability either way.
Rather it lists 6-16 ohm speakers, as it is not designed to power 4-ohm speakers much higher than moderate volume levels.

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They would be 8ohm speakers, and I don't want to do anything risky. Denon does not advertise 4ohm ability so that makes me wonder if in-series is the way to go.
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Rather it lists 6-16 ohm speakers, as it is not designed to power 4-ohm speakers much higher than moderate volume levels.
Actually, Denon specifies even higher output available for 4 ohm speakers -- 190 watts, compared to 130 watts for 8 ohms. "Dynamic" power (which is not defined), to be sure, but music IS dynamic. Of course they won't say for how long................

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Actually, Denon specifies even higher output available for 4 ohm speakers -- 190 watts, compared to 130 watts for 8 ohms. "Dynamic" power (which is not defined), to be sure, but music IS dynamic. Of course they won't say for how long................
4 ohm speakers work just fine with these Denons.
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I also have an X4000 and have 2 speakers for the center. One above pointing down and slightly to the left and one below pointing up and slightly to the right. Works out well. They are 8 ohms speakers. I didn't want to stress the amp wiring them in parallel and thought they sounded a little odd in series so I opted to add a 2 channel amp to drive my centers. The amp I use inverts the polarity of the output so I wired my speakers inverted polarity. Sounds great with the voices sounding like it is coming right out of the TV. Also, because the center does not use up power from the main amp, it gives me a little more power headroom for the other 6 speakers.

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I also have an X4000 and have 2 speakers for the center. One above pointing down and slightly to the left and one below pointing up and slightly to the right. Works out well. They are 8 ohms speakers. I didn't want to stress the amp wiring them in parallel and thought they sounded a little odd in series so I opted to add a 2 channel amp to drive my centers. The amp I use inverts the polarity of the output so I wired my speakers inverted polarity. Sounds great with the voices sounding like it is coming right out of the TV. Also, because the center does not use up power from the main amp, it gives me a little more power headroom for the other 6 speakers.
I thought about this also. How did you wire the x4000 to the amp?

Interesting that they sounded different in series - makes me think they weren't getting enough power. I'm also starting to wonder if I'll get enough volume out of them to match the L/R. Anyone know how to calculate the power output to 2x8ohm bookshelves wired in series to a 125w Denon x4000, and what that would mean for volume? And whether that is within the range to be boosted enough to match. These speakers have a 1w sensitivity of 88db.
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Anyone know how to calculate the power output to 2x8ohm bookshelves wired in series to a 125w Denon x4000, and what that would mean for volume? And whether that is within the range to be boosted enough to match. These speakers have a 1w sensitivity of 88db.
All other things being equal the combined pair would receive 1/2 as much power as an 8 ohm speaker. That is -3dB -- well within the range of Audyssey to correct automatically with no need for manual adjustment.

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Thanks Dan.

Some would question why one would pursue this. The simple answer is that for a 64" plasma, a center speaker above or below from a 9 foot viewing distance is quite an angle. So why not make a dual center so they image in the middle?

That also opens the possibility of putting them directly to the L/R of the screen, inside your mains, if room allows. I'm probably not going to do it that way, due to space constraints and they would be further apart than top/bottom. I have seen pictures though.

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Interesting that they sounded different in series - makes me think they weren't getting enough power.
Aren't you running an entire speaker with its own passive crossover in series with another speaker with its own passive crossover? Don't believe you can/should wire passively crossed speakers in series in this manner.

Proper method is likely to modify the passive crossover values to work with the chosen driver-pairs in series (crossover would feed both series drivers accordingly - one chain for two series woofers, one chain for two series tweeters)...

Running multiple passively crossed speakers in parallel won't have such issues...

Of course, Disto's use of the external 2CH amp avoided that issue, but wanted to hit on why it likely sounded "weird" when wired in series...

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Well that changes things, because then you're looking at asking the AVR to run a 4ohm center channel. Maybe the external amp is the way to go?
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Well that changes things, because then you're looking at asking the AVR to run a 4ohm center channel. Maybe the external amp is the way to go?
In this case - External Amp makes perfect sense Futzing with passive crossovers to allow a series configuration can really change the sound of the speakers unless you really know what you are doing...

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Then I'll have to reconsider for now due to costs. But if I ever do attempt this, I'll know:

1. Run them in parallel
2. Consider an external amp designed for sustained 4ohm loads

Thanks for the help everyone.
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Also, I don't have an HDMI connection on my Xbox 360, so I can't connect it through the Xbox One. I have one of the original systems that only supported component and composite. Good thought though.

Curious, does your Xbox 360 has Display Discovery menu?
Go to Settings > Console > Display > Display Discovery
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Yeah, I just found it on there myself.

Thing is, A4L will sell you a 2-year add-on warranty for the same price so it's basically a wash. Part of me likes the idea of refurb receivers because they've theoretically had double the testing that a new unit would. More time to squeeze out any problems.
I went with the Like New, Open Box Denon X4000 from OneCall (through Amazon) for $698 so I could get the full 3 year warranty. Amazon is also very good with returns.

My experience with A4L has been not so great. I have ordered an S500BT and an E300 in the last few months. The first had a completely non-functional front panel, and on the second one the AUX HDMI doesn't work. I kept it because it works perfectly otherwise, and $150 was too good to pass up. I sent the S500BT back to Amazon who I bought it through. It was much better than sending it back to A4L, who I'd have to pay return shipping to.

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Well, I have an Onkyo 737 I just got from A4L and it has been OK so far (although had one weird HDMI glitch when I was playing Diablo3 on XB1 that made me freak out a little). Hopefully the 4520ci I just ordered from them is good too.
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This may be a silly question, but would 3ohm speakers not work with the AVR-X1000?

I have speakers I could reuse from my HTIB as rear surrounds, but they're 3ohm.
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^^
HTIB speakers are often low ohm and designed only to be connected to the HTIB receiver. Although best to use 8-ohm speakers, surround speakers don't draw much power so you could connect them with likely no issue at lower volume levels. If the AVR shuts down, you'll know not to go above that volume level.

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HTIB speakers are often low ohm and designed only to be connected to the HTIB receiver. Although best to use 8-ohm speakers, surround speakers don't draw much power so you could connect them with likely no issue at lower volume levels. If the AVR shuts down, you'll know not to go above that volume level.
Thanks for the reply. I'm trying out a wireless solution tonight, so we'll see.
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I thought about this also. How did you wire the x4000 to the amp?
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I ran an RCA wire from the center out of the X4000 into the external stereo amp and switched it to mono mode (both channels get the same signal). And because that particular amp inverts the outputs, I had to reverse ( + to - and - to +) speaker leads.

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Of course, Disto's use of the external 2CH amp avoided that issue, but wanted to hit on why it likely sounded "weird" when wired in series...
The sound was not well focused and seemed to waver up and down sort of like phase shifting. My theory is that because the impedance varies with frequency and speaker to speaker, series is not a good option.

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Does anyone know the number of the latest firmware update? Denon support did not know the answer.

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Does anyone know the number of the latest firmware update? Denon support did not know the answer.

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I don't know either. But there hasn't been an update in months. Just check for updates and it will tell you if you have the latest or not.
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I don't know either. But there hasn't been an update in months. Just check for updates and it will tell you if you have the latest or not.
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Aren't you running an entire speaker with its own passive crossover in series with another speaker with its own passive crossover? Don't believe you can/should wire passively crossed speakers in series in this manner.
Negative. Amplifiers are basically voltage sources. If that voltage is imposed across two equal impedances in series, even if they are (equally) frequency dependent, each will receive exactly half of the applied voltage.

The crossovers do not modify that. They can alter the percent of input current that is directed to each radiator, but the total current is still distributed among the radiators in the same percentages.
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Then I'll have to reconsider for now due to costs. But if I ever do attempt this, I'll know:

1. Run them in parallel
2. Consider an external amp designed for sustained 4ohm loads

Thanks for the help everyone.
If they are identical 8-ohm speakers wire them either way. They will sound the same, and neither 4 ohms nor 16 ohms will compromise the X4000 amplifier. Just remember that if you switch wiring schemes you should re-run Audyssey or manually adjust the center channel level by 6dB.

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Negative. Amplifiers are basically voltage sources. If that voltage is imposed across two equal impedances in series, even if they are (equally) frequency dependent, each will receive exactly half of the applied voltage.

The crossovers do not modify that. They can alter the percent of input current that is directed to each radiator, but the total current is still distributed among the radiators in the same percentages.
Looking at the Voltage alone makes sense to me - I stand corrected I'd personally never run passive speakers in this fashion, and this does not explain why Disto experienced an audible change in timbre when running his two full-range passive center channels in series. Go figure...

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this does not explain why Disto experienced an audible change in timbre when running his two full-range passive center channels in series. Go figure...

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I can imagine strange things happening if the two speakers in question are very far apart. As best I recall the wavelength of a 1000 Hz tone is less than a foot, so it wouldn't take much movement of a person's head to alter the phase.

I hope the OP does not run into that problem with speakers above and below the screen! If so he may prefer to just use one speaker. Most folks leave it below the screen.

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