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After a long hiatus without, I am finally able to put my surround sound setup together again and I'll be doing so upgrading to the new X4000 in the process so can now assist with more "hands-on" related questions for that particular model. As it turns out, I'm also going to be selling the new Denon and Marantz line (as well as the many other products that AVScience sells) as their newest sales person (evening hours EST only to start as well as when you see me on line), although I don't expect to actually be hooked up for sales related questions until the end of the week. So now when I suggest that you pick up the phone and "call" to get those discounts, if you call my extension, you'll actually be talking to me! smile.gif

Congratulations JD, this is great news. I'm sure you'll make a great salesperson given your knowledge and patience in answering questions. smile.gif
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No, A and B share settings. If you use the special 2ch amp assign mode then you can use the 2ch playback menu to set different levels for the 2ch speakers.
Gotcha, thanks. Are you using the web browser? Would be much faster that way.

The browser would be good but once I'm in the menu it works fine. Just arrow back and forth for A or B.

Thanks for all the input on this.
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I finally got off the fence and order an X4000 from Mike here at AVS. Cant wait to get it, but I have some things to keep me busy in the mean time. Fishing wires in a finished basement is not my idea of fun, but its got to be done sooner or later. I also need to find a wife friendly remote to so I'm looking at the harmony lines to order.
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Hi guys.

Im trying to find the reason behind a "wierd" playback issue, regarding playback from my NAS.

Using the X1000 GUI, choosing an album for playback, the X1000 plays it back flawlessly, gapless FLAC and so on.
My question is: why wouldn't using a dlna remote, like Synology DS audio station, or similar, produce gapless playback?
Between every track, it looks on the display of the avr, like it reconnects to the server, creating 1-2 sec long gap.
I could of course use the Denon remote app, but, it is, well, not very good.

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I finally got off the fence and order an X4000 from Mike here at AVS. Cant wait to get it, but I have some things to keep me busy in the mean time. Fishing wires in a finished basement is not my idea of fun, but its got to be done sooner or later. I also need to find a wife friendly remote to so I'm looking at the harmony lines to order.

The Harmony One is most often recommended, but you may also want to consider the 650 as a lower cost model that still has a LCD screen.

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If I didn't already have the harmony one I would probably get the 650. The touch screen on the One is a pain- it's too easy to hit the wrong button.
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I don't have a sub, set my KEFR102 speakers as large, my surround speakers as small and could set the crossover for the front speaker down to 40Hz on my Denon X2000. I was quite happy with the bass after that. Now I did run the Audyssey and calibrated the setup, and now I see the front as Full Band, can't change the value and I feel the bass is less after the calibration. I have tried changing a few parameters and could change the crossover from Full Band to 80Hz, but not to 40 as I could before. As there anyone who can guide me so I can change the crossover for the front speakers?
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^^^Since you have NO SW, leave your crossovers as set by your AVR, after running Audyssey.

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Why, as I feel the bass is too light?
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^^^that should give you more bass...

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kjarrig,

When you say the bass is "light", are you comparing it to what you heard before your ran Audyssey?

Too often people get used to and like "bloated" bass, meaning that the interaction of un-equalized speakers with the room cause peaks and nulls in the room causing specific low frequencies to be much louder than was intended by the person who mixed the movie's audio. As a result, the more accurate bass provided by Audyssey can seem to be lacking.

Do you have Dynamic EQ enabled? That'll compensate somewhat.

DynEQ increases the relative loudness of bass and high frequencies to compensate for the insensitivity of our hearing when listening at sound levels below reference (0 or 80 on the receiver's volume control).

When you have no subwoofer, the front speakers can only be set to "Large". "Large" means "disable bass management" i.e. do not redirect front channel bass below the crossover frequency to a subwoofer. As a result, changing the crossover frequency for the front speaker channels does nothing at all.

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So to do this, set AMP ASSIGN mode to 7ch/2ch mode. That means your "A" pair hooked up to the FR/FL binding posts and the second "2ch" speakers hooked up to the F.Wide bindings posts. Then go into Speaker Config and deactivate ALL speakers (sub, center, surrounds) except for the two stereo pairs that you are comparing. Now you only have four "active" speakers, the "A" pair and the "B" pair. Now the A/B switching part.... to change between the two, all you have to do is select MULTICH STEREO to hear the "A" speakers and STEREO to hear the "B" speakers! Easy to do with a Harmony remote or by using the Movie/Music/Game buttons (memorizing multich stereo on one button and stereo on another).

The signal that gets sent to the FR/FL speakers is identical in MultichSt mode as it is in regular Stereo mode. But because there aren't any other speakers active, you are essentially "tricking" the receiver into giving you stereo playback for the "multi channel speakers". And you can use the "2ch Playback" menu to tweak the levels on the "B" speakers to correct for any sensitivity difference between the two.

Thanks Batpig, I basically set it up this way. First I turned Audyssey off because the whole point was to compare 2 sets of speakers. I used Amp assign 5.1+2ch. I disconnected all speakers except the Front L+R (A) and hooked up the B speakers to the Surround posts. I was then able to set the levels and distances of all the speakers. In Front Speaker Setup I set it to 2ch Playback A and Multi Ch Playback to B. I then set the surround mode as Multi Ch Stereo and like you said because there are no other speakers hooked up only the "B" speakers hooked up to the Surround posts play and normal Stereo mode played through the A speakers. It is easy to switch back and forth like you said but it would be great if it was instantaneous.

This wasn't really that hard and but I spent too much time trying to use the actual A/B function. Now that levels and distances are set properly and I can actually compare my newly made speakers to my older ones I am much happier with them. The levels were off by about 5dB and in my initial comparisons I was really bummed with the new kit. Now I am much happier even though I can't decide which are "better". I was really hoping for clear winners but they are just differently good.

Now let's hope I can keep the dogs quiet enough to do a good Audyssey setup.
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If I didn't already have the harmony one I would probably get the 650. The touch screen on the One is a pain- it's too easy to hit the wrong button.

Agreed. I can't stand the harmony one. I have the 650 and love that it feels similar to using the remote that comes with the cable boxes.
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Original thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1488325/denon-avr-e400-and-polk-rm75-low-volume-bad-configuration-audio-mode

I am trying to get my Polk RM75 front Left and Right to play audio, correctly using stereo mode and FM Tuner input.

To sum up the original thread, I did the speaker and Audyssey setup. All 3 speakers are loud and strong during the setup, however when I simply try my FM Tuner Input, the front left and right speakers are very faint. If I switch to audio mode to Dolby D, the center channel plays loud as expected.

How can I get the left and right speaks to play correctly?

Anyone know, for a basic test, to get the front left and right channels working?

I am going pull out all inputs and center channel and just leave my TV Out, FM antenna and the Front left and right speakers. This should play audio over those two speakers correct? Seems like a stupid question. I am just trying to rule out if I have a bad unit.
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Just got my x4000 that I ordered from jdsmoothie here at AV Science. Great overall experience, and very easy process. Having been a member of this forum for over 10 years now, it makes it easier to trust buying audio gear online from this community.

Now I await delivery of my latest gear so I can get into the features of the x4000.
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Has anyone noticed a difference in bass output when listening to 2 channel music between PLiiX and PLiiZ ? It seems to me that the bass is a little better defined on PLiiX, and it thins out when using PLiiZ .. I notice in the setup menu > audio > surround parameters, that with PLiiX gives you the option of Panorama, which I have engaged at it's default setting of 3, however in PLiiZ mode, the same setting under surround parameters disappears, and is replaced by Height Gain. I assume that this accounts ( not having panorama on ) for the difference between bass output? .. I do realize that I could use PLiiX + DSX height instead, but am not particularly enamored of the sound. Thoughts?

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Anyone know, for a basic test, to get the front left and right channels working?

I am going pull out all inputs and center channel and just leave my TV Out, FM antenna and the Front left and right speakers. This should play audio over those two speakers correct? Seems like a stupid question. I am just trying to rule out if I have a bad unit.

Make sure wiring is good and try going to Speakers>Manual>Levels and see how that sounds first.
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Well I just hooked up my X4000 and went to set the speaker levels , my L/C/R I only get 60db @ +12 confused.gif

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^ Do you have other speakers hooked up that aren't cranked up to 12?
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No just the 3 I also tried just the L&R I guess the X4000 is a 8 0hm unit

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Run Audyssey. smile.gif


I never had a AVR that couldnt get 75 db out of the test tone , you think audyssey is going to fix that ?

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When you run Audyssey, it will pass the test tones at 75db (regardless of master volume setting) whereas if you want to use the Manual Setup by itself, you're simply trying to calibrate the speakers to the same volume level that the master volume is currently set to. If you want that level to be 75db, then you'll have to raise the master volume up to at least 70/-10db.

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Well I just hooked up my X4000 and went to set the speaker levels , my L/C/R I only get 60db @ +12 confused.gif

Make sure your master volume is at 0.0db before using either the internal test tones or external tones.

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The 70/-10db level is sufficient to get 75db as Audyssey actually cuts the 85db test tone down to 75db as 85db is too loud for most home owners. Then after Audyssey has completed, low end of the reference scale would be 85db at a master volume setting of 0db. smile.gif

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I didn't know the vol played part in this , I set the vol at 0db and had no problem getting 75db level setting 0 Thanks on my 8801 it didnt matter

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jdsmoothie I will run Audyssey but I have to take my parrot outside since he can copy the Audyssey tone perfect , eek.gif
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Think I'm finally going to take the plunge for an x4000 tomorrow. I noticed on the avs store that there's an option to add a coupon code. Any idea where to find these?
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