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Crown released a new series called the XLi. It lacks the X-Over and Limiter functions and adds true .775 sensitivity (user selectable between .775 and 1.4 volts). So should be friendly to consumer AVR's and DACS.

Prices start at $249 for 200WPC at 8 and 300WPC at 4 but I believe they are 1 Khz ratings.


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Hmm, $849 on eBay for the xli 3500, much cheaper than the two Emotiva XPR-1's I was thinking about for the same 1,000 wpc....

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Just noticed that there's no rating for 2 ohms, unlike their XLS series. Would these not be good for Martin Logan electrostats?

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Well, Crown responded to my email:

"The Xli series is a basic entry level amplifier without any of the extras. It is the entry level before the XLS series. It is not rated to 2 ohms stereo or 4 ohms bridge."

Oh well, my hunt continues...

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Will this have the 20hz high pass...

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The specs for damping factor are given from 10 Hz to 400 Hz (>200), for what its worth. Makes me think it does not have a 20 Hz HPF, but we all know what happens when you assume (Bad News Bears reference, ass-u-me).

I like that is has RCA input with appropriate levels, many pro amps have RCAs but not with the right input sensitivity. The 2500 looms nice for a pair of sealed 18" Dayton subs. To bad the amp testing crowd seems to have departed the forum.

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The specs for damping factor are given from 10 Hz to 400 Hz (&gt;200), for what its worth. Makes me think it does not have a 20 Hz HPF, but we all know what happens when you assume (Bad News Bears reference, ass-u-me).<br><br>
I like that is has RCA input with appropriate levels, many pro amps have RCAs but not with the right input sensitivity. The 2500 looms nice for a pair of sealed 18" Dayton subs. To bad the amp testing crowd seems to have departed the forum.
Just hooked one of these up to my Denon 4311. RCA from my pre-out lft and rt to RCA in on the Crown and mains in with banana plugs. All I'm getting is major BUZZ. Bad amp?

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Try the XLR connections. I've read people getting ground loop hum from the RCA's sometimes. Just a thought. Or you can try ground loop hum eliminated and see if that works.

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Just hooked one of these up to my Denon 4311. RCA from my pre-out lft and rt to RCA in on the Crown and mains in with banana plugs. All I'm getting is major BUZZ. Bad amp?

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Try the XLR connections. I've read people getting ground loop hum from the RCA's sometimes. Just a thought. Or you can try ground loop hum eliminated and see if that works.
I will try to p/up some XLR connects today and try that.
Which volt setting should I be using? The 1.4 or the 0.775?

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If going from rca to xlr then use .775; if all balanced use the 1.4.

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If going from rca to xlr then use .775; if all balanced use the 1.4.
Thanks guys. The XLRs and the switch to .775 both helped immensely, but I've still got a slight hum.
Not sure what's left.

Edit: It's just 1 channel. I can't hear it with the music playing but it's there. You get close you can hear it. My wife of course hears it across the room.

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Try switching channel 1 to channel 2 and see if the hum goes with it or stays with channel 1. That will tell you if it's the amp or the wires. If it's the wires you can use a ground loop hum eliminated.

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Thanks guys. The XLRs and the switch to .775 both helped immensely, but I've still got a slight hum.
Not sure what's left.

Edit: It's just 1 channel. I can't hear it with the music playing but it's there. You get close you can hear it. My wife of course hears it across the room.
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You can lift the shield at one end of the cable on a balanced connection and that should break a ground loop.

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Thanks guys. The XLRs and the switch to .775 both helped immensely, but I've still got a slight hum.
Not sure what's left.

Edit: It's just 1 channel. I can't hear it with the music playing but it's there. You get close you can hear it. My wife of course hears it across the room.
Have you sorted out the hum issue?
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Yes. A ground wire resolved the hum issue. However my Denon 4311 shot craps immediately after that and just 30 days out of warranty. It's been in the shop now for over 2 months. They say they can't get parts for that receiver anymore.
Is this true?
I'm really not ready to buy a new receiver. It won't be a Denon this time

Thnx everyone that contributed here.
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Yes. A ground wire resolved the hum issue. However my Denon 4311 shot craps immediately after that and just 30 days out of warranty. It's been in the shop now for over 2 months. They say they can't get parts for that receiver anymore.
Is this true?
I'm really not ready to buy a new receiver. It won't be a Denon this time

Thnx everyone that contributed here.
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Is the SNR dropped when using the 0.775v setting? (the new XLS gen2 does). If yes, it defeat the purpose for HT usage.
How's the internal fan noise?
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Crown XTI, XLS, XLI

Looking to upgrade my speakers soon I also looking for a good quality sounding pro amp for HT AND MUISC. Currently have denon 4311ci looking to eventually get XMC-1

Crown XLS 2002
S/N ratio: >103 dB (A-weighted) • Crosstalk: @ 1 kHz >85 dB; @ 20 kHz >55 dB

Crown XLS 2500
S/N ratio: >103 dB (A-weighted) • Crosstalk: @ 1 kHz >85 dB; @ 20 kHz >55 dB

Crown XTI 1002
S/N ratio (below rated 1 kHz power @ 8 ohms): 100 dB (A weighted) • Crosstalk (below rated power): 20 - 1,000 Hz: >70 dB

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S/N ratio: >100 dB (A-weighted) • Crosstalk: @ 1 kHz >75 dB; @ 20 kHz >59 dB •
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I have run XLS2502's on my L/R - They have a very transparent, detailed sound that one would expect from a quality amp...
Depending on how sensitive your speakers are you may hear some hiss from tweeters, but that would most likely be a non-issue in most setups...
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I have run XLS2502's on my L/R - They have a very transparent, detailed sound that one would expect from a quality amp...
Depending on how sensitive your speakers are you may hear some hiss from tweeters, but that would most likely be a non-issue in most setups...
Right now I have sho-10s. But they will be getting replaced soon. With JBL pro cinemas or something from DIYSG I might sell my EMO amps if I like the pro amps
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You would probably be ok, I have only heard of a few people with hiss issues, but they were active XO setups too (something to keep in mind)
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You would probably be ok, I have only heard of a few people with hiss issues, but they were active XO setups too (something to keep in mind)
Oh okay. What speakers do you currently have? And what other amps have you had?
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Im running Polk RTiA's right now... so nowhere near as sensitive as the DIYSG stuff...
I have experience with Bryston 4b's, Crown K2's, Crown XLS2502's and an XLI3500


My PA speakers were EV...
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What were the XLI like they say there for ht use in there description
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What were the XLI like they say there for ht use in there description

It was a decent amp - I used mine for PA use though... I can see how it would work well in a HT environment...
That being said, if you can find the extra bit of cash, I feel the XLS series is better.. almost as nice as the old K2's


Samson also makes a couple of nice amps that work well for HT use - the Servo series...
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It was a decent amp - I used mine for PA use though... I can see how it would work well in a HT environment...
That being said, if you can find the extra bit of cash, I feel the XLS series is better.. almost as nice as the old K2's


Samson also makes a couple of nice amps that work well for HT use - the Servo series...
Okay sounds good. Going to look at the Samson amp. Not to get off subject but I just bought a alto ts215?
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Okay sounds good. Going to look at the Samson amp. Not to get off subject but I just bought a alto ts215?

The powered ones right? Nice speakers, cant remember if it was a 100x60 or 80x60 horn on those though...
They could work well for HT, lots of output....
Thinking those instead of amps and passives?
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The powered ones right? Nice speakers, cant remember if it was a 100x60 or 80x60 horn on those though...
They could work well for HT, lots of output....
Thinking those instead of amps and passives?
Yes there the powered ones 350$ a speaker but they have them for 250270$ Used. I never thought of trying powered speakers for HT. there okay speakers. When pushing music thru them the clip lite comes on quick idk I like it loud and I still haven't found anything to make me cover my ears a run. I had the EV ZLX i think they were okay returned them tho. I was thinking of using passive speakers like this
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Yes there the powered ones 350$ a speaker but they have them for 250270$ Used. I never thought of trying powered speakers for HT. there okay speakers. When pushing music thru them the clip lite comes on quick idk I like it loud and I still haven't found anything to make me cover my ears a run. I had the EV ZLX i think they were okay returned them tho. I was thinking of using passive speakers like this
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Ever look at Yorkville Unitys?
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