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Hi Everyone,

Hoping I can get some suggestions here.

I have 2 zones in my house, basically the main family room area and my bedroom directly below it. I have all my AV equipment in a rack in the family room. with HDMI running from the rack to my bedroom.

I am looking for an AVR that will allow me to play two sources in both rooms at the same time. For example, cable TV in the family and maybe run the mac mini in the bedroom simultaneously over another HDMI out. I have ceiling speakers in the second bedroom (2 channel) and a 5.1 setup in the family room.

So two questions.
1. Is there an AVR out there that supports dual HDMI independently? I think the Yamaha RX-A3020 does this. Any other AVR's out there? My local dealer said he's out of stock on the 3020, can the 2020 do this?
2. Can I drive both sets of speakers at the same time or will I require an external amp?

I also have a 3rd 2-channel zone, but I won't be picking up speakers for that zone for quite some time. Future use.

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The Yamaha RX-A3020 is the only AV receiver that can output HDMI audio to zone 2 speaker terminals or pre-outs. Some other high end 2012 receivers, and the RX-A3020 as well, support outputing HDMI audio and video to a zone HDMI output, which you'd have to connect, using an HDMI cable, to a TV or another AV receiver to hear anything in the other zone.

The RX-A2020 doesn't support either of these options.

Any AV receiver with zone 2 or 3 support, including the RX-A2020, will let you listen to an HDMI connected source in these other zones if you also connect the device using analogue audio cables, and your source device supports simultaneous HDMI and analogue audio output (eg. your cable TV box) or you manually switch the output as necessary (eg. your Mac Mini).

The RX-A2020 and RX-A3020 have 9 channels of amplification and can drive 5.1 speakers in the main zone plus stereo speakers in zone 2 and 3 without using an external amplifier.
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Last year's Denon 3313CI and Marantz 7007 and 7701 models each have a Zone 2 HDMI output that you would connect either directly to a TV or to another AVR to power the bedroom speakers. The new Denon X3000 and X4000 models (as well as the successor Marantz models) will also offer the same feature. The X3000 and X4000 also feature the capability to output HDMI audio to the Zone 2 speaker posts or pre-outs as will likely the new 2013 comparable Marantz models. All but the X3000 also have Zone 3 pre-outs to pass a 3rd independent audio source to an external amp to power another set of stereo speakers.

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Sounds like the Marantz and Denon solutions will require a separate AMP to power the 2 channel zones whereas the 3020 is a one stop shop. I can't get the 3020 from my local dealer because he's telling me Yamaha stopped shipping the 3020 as the 3030 is coming out in August. I can't find anything on the 3030 on-line and therefore don't know what differences it will have. Wondering if I should look for the 3020 elsewhere or hold out for 3 more months. How is it that he knows about about 3030 coming out but I can't find anything about it on-line?

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Pioneer sc67 and sc68 do independent video and stereo audio


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Sounds like the Marantz and Denon solutions will require a separate AMP to power the 2 channel zones whereas the 3020 is a one stop shop. I can't get the 3020 from my local dealer because he's telling me Yamaha stopped shipping the 3020 as the 3030 is coming out in August. I can't find anything on the 3030 on-line and therefore don't know what differences it will have. Wondering if I should look for the 3020 elsewhere or hold out for 3 more months. How is it that he knows about about 3030 coming out but I can't find anything about it on-line?

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If the 3020 or one of these others does everything you need why wait 3 months for another receiver to be released?

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If the 3020 or one of these others does everything you need why wait 3 months for another receiver to be released?
Like I said, the dealer I normally buy from doesn't carry the 3020 and won't be getting any more in. Looking for another place around here.
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Why can you buy the 3020 online? Plenty of places carry it.

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Sounds like the Marantz and Denon solutions will require a separate AMP to power the 2 channel zones whereas the 3020 is a one stop shop. I can't get the 3020 from my local dealer because he's telling me Yamaha stopped shipping the 3020 as the 3030 is coming out in August. I can't find anything on the 3030 on-line and therefore don't know what differences it will have. Wondering if I should look for the 3020 elsewhere or hold out for 3 more months. How is it that he knows about about 3030 coming out but I can't find anything about it on-line?

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Yup ... although you'll likely pay at least $500-$800 more for the 9CH capability of the 3020.

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Pioneer sc67 and sc68 do independent video and stereo audio


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Thank you! Those look like very attractive options, I am working on a deal for the SC67. Hope it works out smile.gif
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The Pioneer SC-67 and SC-68 do not support HDMI audio output from the zone 2/3 speaker terminals or pre-outs. It is however one of the other 2012 high end receivers that I was refering to earlier. It has a zone 4 HDMI output which you would need to connect to a TV or another AV receiver using an HDMI cable.

As I said ealier the RX-A3020 is the only AV receiver that can output HDMI audio to the zone 2/3 speaker terminals or pre-outs. This may very well change in a few months when the other manufacturers release their high-end 2013 models, but until the manufacturers actually make them and their manuals publically available we won't know for sure. Last year there were a number of claims made here that a number of different 2012 AV receivers would support this, but as it turns out only the RX-A3020 actually did.

btw. you might want to reconsider your apparent preference for buying from your local dealer. If they're not capable of telling you which AV receivers have the functionality you want, then I doubt the service you're getting from them is worth the additional cost.
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Documentation has already been released on the new Denon "X" series which confirms they can now do the HDMI--> Zones 2/3 conversion as well as noted in the "2013 Denon AVR models" thread linked in my sig with the actual release of the units scheduled for late May/June.

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Documentation has already been released on the new Denon "X" series which confirms they can now do the HDMI--> Zones 2/3 conversion as well as noted in the "2013 Denon AVR models" thread linked in my sig with the actual release of the units scheduled for late May/June.

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Documentation has already been released on the new Denon "X" series which confirms they can now do the HDMI--> Zones 2/3 conversion as well as noted in the "2013 Denon AVR models" thread linked in my sig with the actual release of the units scheduled for late May/June.

Sorry, I don't even see the X series mentioned on Denon's website, let alone any public release of the manuals.
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Refer to the 2013 Denon AVR Models thread to see the spec sheets that JohnAv has posted. Also the official release is scheduled for May 1.

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