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I was in Best Buy today and noticed three new Harman Kardon receivers on their shelf. I cannot seem to find anything on them on the web. It seems strange considering the AVR 1700, 2700, 3700 were just released recently and now the 1700 has been replaced along with two more step down models. All three seem to feature H/K's new digital power supply, same look as the previous models except the front panels are all plastic instead of plastic on top with metal on the bottom. Anyone else have noticed these new models at their local Best Buy?
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You shoulda took some pics. Nothing comes up on google.

And HK isn't using Class D, its using switch mode power supplies. I presume if they were actually using Class D HK's new lineup wouldn't be so power anemic--the 1700 can only hit 70W x 2 in stereo before the distortion curve starts rising, and only does 30W x 5.
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Go to www.Bestbuy.com..
Specs, photos & pricing are there..
They have deleted many legacy connections concentrating on HDMI..

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You shoulda took some pics. Nothing comes up on google.

And HK isn't using Class D, its using switch mode power supplies. I presume if they were actually using Class D HK's new lineup wouldn't be so power anemic--the 1700 can only hit 70W x 2 in stereo before the distortion curve starts rising, and only does 30W x 5.

I wasn't able to take pics, phone was on charge in the car. I know the amplifiers aren't digital put the power supplies are since they're the switching type. They're based on the AVR X700 models but as I said no metal on the faceplate. They're rated 75x5, 85x5, and 100x7 respectively. H/K used to take their time releasing new models and it seems now they're releasing new models left and right.
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Not even mention on Harmon Kardon Web Site and their at Best Buy?What best Buy.In Jersey and they only carry 700 model.No info anywhere on the web about new Receivers
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I purchased one last week. No manual is available online, but I was able to easily find my way through the menu with no problem. This receiver seems much more robust than the AVR 1700. The mids and highs are also great. It was not that far off my old HK635. I was very impressed. I thought it surely had standby passthrough, but when i spoke to a technician, he said that it did not. This is a dealbreaker for me. The new 1710 sports dual sub outputs as well as dual HDMI outs. The tech said that he had not seen one, nor could he give me any specs on it. I would like to know the High Current capability. It take twice the power to operate at peak as does the 1700. This is a class AB amp. It seems to be more like the good old HK of the past. The switching supply seems to do just fine. Unfortunately for me, i need an AVR that has standby passthrough, so i returned it. I was really impressed.
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I had the 1700 and took it back because of the standby pass through. Guess I will have to pass on the 1710 for the same reason. Love HK sound and looks but will have to look else where. Get in the game Harman.

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How does the AVR1710 compare to the AVR2700? I'm replacing my AVR2600 after it suffered a lightning strike death and planned on purchasing the 2700. My major hangup with the 2700 is the $800 price tag. That's a hard pill to swallow, but now the $549 price tag on the 1710 has caught my eye. I'm kind of ignorant when it comes to the different classes of amps, etc. I'm just looking for any major things that you guys would stay away from in either receiver. You know, the pros and cons of each.

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I received the spec sheet from Harman yesterday via email. The high current for the 1710 is plus or minus 42 amps! They noted in the email that the 2700 is only 39 amps . The bass in the 1710 is very beefy and it has a great midrange and highs. The rest of the specs are on the bestbuy site. It claims 100 watts on all 7 channels. My old Avr 635 was 45 amps and it still sounds better playing music than my current Marantz SR 5007 that I settled on. I personally believe that the 1710 had a better sound than my New Marantz 5007, but I am partial to HK and this the first time I have ventured away from them ever. As I mentioned in my last posting, I would have kept the 1710.
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Continued. I would have kept the AVR 1710 if it had standby passthrough.
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Thanks. I'm in Best Buy now picking one up.
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Let us know how you like it.
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Interesting. The 1710 shows EZSet/EQ III. I remember the 7550's II version was better than the plain version. Wonder how III performs.
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All three seem to feature H/K's new digital power supply, same look as the previous models except the front panels are all plastic instead of plastic on top with metal on the bottom. Anyone else have noticed these new models at their local Best Buy?

I can't believe that HK would "stoop" so low as to put plastic front panels on their receivers. These are supposed to be audio components, not Lego's, are they not? C'mon HK, anybody who has the $$$ to spend >$500 for a receiver should be able to expect full (with the exception of the display) brushed metal front panels. I wouldn't waste my hard-earned money buying a plastic piece of HK toy now, I don't care how good it sounds. I used to be a long-time fan of HK receivers, but they've clearly chosen the road of mediocrity. Through the years I've owned an HK AVR 635, an AVR 445, and an AVR 3550 and any one of those receivers would blow away any offering HK has now. Newer product offerings should get better as time goes on, not worse.
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There are a lot of plastic fronts out there today. Pioneer Elite uses them on there SC61 and below. Actually these will not scratch as easy as metal. The only thing that is plastic is the front. The other sides are required to be metal to meet electrical standards. Behind the plastic front is usually a metal plate.
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I can't believe that HK would "stoop" so low as to put plastic front panels on their receivers. These are supposed to be audio components, not Lego's, are they not? C'mon HK, anybody who has the $$$ to spend >$500 for a receiver should be able to expect full (with the exception of the display) brushed metal front panels. I wouldn't waste my hard-earned money buying a plastic piece of HK toy now, I don't care how good it sounds. I used to be a long-time fan of HK receivers, but they've clearly chosen the road of mediocrity. Through the years I've owned an HK AVR 635, an AVR 445, and an AVR 3550 and any one of those receivers would blow away any offering HK has now. Newer product offerings should get better as time goes on, not worse.

Hmmm.
The mentioned HK AVRs did have plastic panels not metal..
The panels did have a hair-line finish in the mold but were made of plastic..

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Interesting. The 1710 shows EZSet/EQ III. I remember the 7550's II version was better than the plain version. Wonder how III performs.

Marketing fluff....
The 7550HD/760/660 used (2) TI DSPs and the 10 series uses a single Cirrus Logic DSP. EzSet/EQ II was developed in-house by Dr.Tooles team, EZset/EQ used the generic Cirrus Logic EQ software. Cirrus did upgrade their software and this is what HK is using in the 10 series. The original US development team for EzSet/EQ II as implemented in the 7550HD/760/660 and certain JBL Synthesis components has been disbanded, all software is now done either in China or India...

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Hmmm.
The mentioned HK AVRs did have plastic panels not metal..
The panels did have a hair-line finish in the mold but were made of plastic..

Just my $0.02... 👍😉

MCode, the front panels of the AVRs I mentioned had glass (in the case of the 635 and 445) and plastic (in the case of the 3550) top panels, but the bottom panels had metal fronts in all of them, even if they were metal overlays. To totally abandon metal fronts altogether puts H/K on par with Emerson or GoldStar products in terms of quality of build, IMO.
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There are a lot of plastic fronts out there today. Pioneer Elite uses them on there SC61 and below. Actually these will not scratch as easy as metal. The only thing that is plastic is the front. The other sides are required to be metal to meet electrical standards. Behind the plastic front is usually a metal plate.

Metal can scratch, but plastic can break. Big difference. Look, my point is that these companies still charge a premium for their products, yet they're skimping on the 'ol family recipe (no manuals, over use of plastic materials, inferior speaker terminals, etc.) when it comes to quality of build. That's a sad statement for today and certainly not what H/K stood for in the years gone bye. I know I'm dating myself by saying this, but if you look at the way receivers by H/K, Pioneer, Marantz, etc. were made in the 70s (and I'm strictly talking quality of build here), you'd see what quality of build was all about: Machined knobs for all your buttons, switches, and controls, as well as machined faceplates. They both looked AND performed like a piece of audiophile equipment, not a toy like they are today. It's disappointing to have come from the golden age of audio to see what companies are putting out today. Now, in order to get the same kind of build quality today that was commonplace in the entry-to-mid-level receivers back in the 70's, you have to look at receivers costing more than $1200 MSRP. I think the only manufacturer that doesn't use plastic fronts (yet) on their receiver line-up (although I could be mistaken) is Onkyo, but their receivers make better toasters than they do receivers.wink.gif

I love this hobby, but I can't stand how every year the build quality of audio products keeps getting cheapened and cheapened for the mass markets. Sure, if you've got the $$$$ to spend on high-end audio equipment, then this isn't even an issue. But the majority of folks simply can't afford that kind of equipment. But that doesn't mean we should have to settle for lesser build quality. Less features? Yes. Less power? Yes. Just don't make me buy a plastic Am/Fm radio for what should be a piece of audiophile equipment. I can do that for $25.

My rant is over.biggrin.gif
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MCode, the front panels of the AVRs I mentioned had glass (in the case of the 635 and 445) and plastic (in the case of the 3550) top panels, but the bottom panels had metal fronts in all of them, even if they were metal overlays. To totally abandon metal fronts altogether puts H/K on par with Emerson or GoldStar products in terms of quality of build, IMO.

The basic front panels were plastic, the inlay insert was a thin mylar foil..
Plastic panels were used mainly because their material cost was significantly less expensive, though the mold tooling was higher than a metal extrusion tooling. A couple of HK AVRs did use a solid aluminum door (lower panel half), these were the models DPR1005 and 2005...

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The basic front panels were plastic, the inlay insert was a thin mylar foil..
Plastic panels were used mainly because their material cost was significantly less expensive, though the mold tooling was higher than a metal extrusion tooling. A couple of HK AVRs did use a solid aluminum door (lower panel half), these were the models DPR1005 and 2005...

Just my $0.02... 👍😉

The inlay insert may have been thin mylar foil, but at least is was metal. The rest of those AVRs were quite a bit more robust than the ones they're putting out now, too.
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Marketing fluff....
The 7550HD/760/660 used (2) TI DSPs and the 10 series uses a single Cirrus Logic DSP. EzSet/EQ II was developed in-house by Dr.Tooles team, EZset/EQ used the generic Cirrus Logic EQ software. Cirrus did upgrade their software and this is what HK is using in the 10 series. The original US development team for EzSet/EQ II as implemented in the 7550HD/760/660 and certain JBL Synthesis components has been disbanded, all software is now done either in China or India...

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That's too bad, but good to know. Thanks
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Hi folks,

It may not be on HK's site in an obvious way, but here's a link to the 1710 page:

http://www.harmankardon.com/estore/hk/us/products/AVR-1710/AVR%201710_HK_US
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The new receivers are now on the HK site. The manual is also available online with the specs. I ran a copy and checked the specs against the AVR 3700 manual specs and there is not a lot of difference, although there is a considerable weight difference. I am trying to figure out why the difference of about 6 ibs. The new switching supply should not make that much difference. Any ideas? I still think it sounded better than my new Marantz 5007.
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I recently purchased the 1710 to replace my 2600 after it was killed by lightning. I am disappointed in the 1710 compared to the 2600. It definitely feels like a step backward. I don't think it sounds as good, it has less features, and doesn't process audio like the 2600 does, not to mention the horrible looking on screen menu. I have since purchased the 2700 and it feels like the same class as the 2600 with updates/upgrades. The sound it richer and fuller. The HD on screen menu is there. It is much more configurable than the 1710, and does a much better job processing. The 2700 is physically bigger. Overall, there is no comparison. The 1710 feels like something bought off the shelf at BB, and the 2700 feels like a high end AVR.
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Thanks Dingo. That is good information to know. When I saw the specs of the 1710 and the 3700 the specs are so close but as i mentioned above, i could not figure out how they could be the same with such a weight difference. The 1710 sounded great but after I returned it and reinstalled my old avr635, there was no comparison. The 1710 sounded hollow to me. Where did you purchase your 2700? Also. Does it have standby passthrough by chance? Thanks again for your post.
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I bought it for $599 at jr.com via phone order. Read my post from the AVR 1700, 2700, 3700 thread for details. Here's the link

I'm not sure about the standby pass through. It seems I remember reading somewhere that it didn't have that feature, but I can't be sure until I get home to check it out.
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Well, i decided to purchase the AVR 2700. I measured the depth that i had available on my new rack. The 2700 is too deep and is almost the same as my old AVR635. I have already tried the Denon2313, 3313, Marantz 5007, and the Pioneer Elite VSX 40. None of these sounded as good to me as the AVR1710 did. I opted to purchase the AVR 1710 again and for go the Standby passthrough of the others. It sounds great with my Paradigm Reference Mellenia 20 speaker system.
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I also noticed that the 1710 is rated at 42 and the 2700 at 39 amps The reply I got from Harman via email was:
Both AVR receivers are rated the same. It looks like you are looking at the power consumption, not the channel power. The AVR 2700 is rated at 100 watts per channel, just like the AVR 1710. The AVR 2700 is a higher end amp due to the DACs and processors used.
All i can say is I love my 2700, sound is on another level compared to the Pioneer vsx-1120 I previously had. The dolby volume in the 2700 is a very nice addition. Makes the sound alot fuller. I have it on medium (default) setting for TV and low setting for movies. I have my dolby volume calibration at -2. My speakers are 4 JBL Studio 530. 1 Studio 520C (centre channel) and 1 JBL Studio 550p subwoofer.
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I would have loved to have purchased the 2700, but since it is too deep according to the specs, this would be a problem. I would like to hear from someone who can tell me what the depth really is. I have 17 inches available max to include the rear wiring. I can still return the 1700. It does sound great and has plenty of reserve power, but now the 2700 is available for only 50 dollars more.
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