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Has anyone seen or heard one of these in person? Tascam mostly makes professional audio equipment that would have little use in a theater, but it looks like they have started making receivers. The PA-R100 is the 5.2 receiver with preamp outs ($700) and the PA-R200 is the 7.2 version ($800).

Looks promising and would be interested to see what others think. Can't find reviews anywhere.

http://tascam.com/product/pa-r200/
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Tascam is part of Teac which was purchased by Gibson...
Gibson also owns a % of Onkyo..
Those units are designed/built by the Onkyo/Integra Malaysia factory...

They should be solid products, can't comment further without doing more indepth evaluation...

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That would explain the references to Onkyo's RI and RIHD in the owners manual.
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I own a number of TASCAM audio devices. I like the brand a lot. If it's gong to be built by Onkyo, I hope the QC would not be as bad.
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Here is the official Gibson press release with the financial details about Teac, Tascam and Onkyo...

http://audio.teac.com/news/display/832/

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Wow...just stumbled upon this thread...I had no idea TASCAM was doing rebranded Onkyo AVRs! Yes, TASCAM is the professional division of TEAC, but I also didn't know they are now associated with Gibson, who recently partnered with Onkyo (this business madness has to stop -- whether it's electronics, casinos or cars; we can't keep track of who owns who anymore!)...

I like TASCAM's products, as I own one of their professional CD recorders which sits in my two-channel stack -- and this receiver looks JUST like a rebranded Onkyo 600-series of current vintage...right down to the faceplate buttons and volume knob...weird to see it, actually, glowing with the trademark TASCAM orange display...

But one has to ask...what is the point of this? What kind of application can this be used towards -- is it a kind of Integra-level product that can be rack-mounted in a more "professional" setup? It kind of begs the question...why not just buy the Onkyo or upscale cousin Integ:cool:ra?

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Does anyone else who has one of these know if the RI remote control jack can be plugged into a Niles repeater so you can control the receiver via wall mount ir?

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The website now indicates this receiver has been discontinued; does anyone have any info on that? Has it been discontinued already?

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I just bought the receiver off Ebay new in the box for $188 plus $19 shipping.
One of the best deals all around - they still have some.

It is a good one - the sound is clean - the picture is good

Takes a little time to get use to the menu - once you get a handle of it, it is nice

I am a fan of the receiver orange display window - and the on screen volume level display.

For one on a tight budget, or who needs a second receiver - this should be put on a short list

I replaced the Denon 791 receiver with it - and I am happy

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I just bought the receiver off Ebay new in the box for $188 plus $19 shipping.
One of the best deals all around - they still have some.

It is a good one - the sound is clean - the picture is good

Takes a little time to get use to the menu - once you get a handle of it, it is nice

I am a fan of the receiver orange display window - and the on screen volume level display.

For one on a tight budget, or who needs a second receiver - this should be put on a short list

I replaced the Denon 791 receiver with it - and I am happy

Thanks for your feedback, Zieg...


The orange display is classic TASCAM; their products boast the orange lettering on the display windows...my CD recorder has it as well.


The receiver itself is an obvious Onkyo clone, but according to the website the product has been discontinued...I wonder if anyone had any additional info on this...


Do you have any pics of the TASCAM in your system?

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Thanks for your feedback, Zieg...

The orange display is classic TASCAM; their products boast the orange lettering on the display windows...my CD recorder has it as well.

The receiver itself is an obvious Onkyo clone, but according to the website the product has been discontinued...I wonder if anyone had any additional info on this...

Do you have any pics of the TASCAM in your system?
No pictures at this time

Yes, they are discontinued - the reason for the good prices.

The Receiver was built with a focus on the pro side - such as schools, colleges,
restaurants, sports bars, malls and the like.

However it seems, looks like that the sells did not take off on the pro side.

However, they work real good for some of us on the consumer side.

I did not buy the receiver based on Audyssey room calibration - I am in the
minority group, with those who do not use the different receiver built-in auto
speaker calibrations.

With the exception of those who favor the higher-level audio calibrations, the
Tascam is a well built receiver, the sound is clean/clear with low distortion. >
The picture is also good - and the on screen menu/operation system is nice,
once you understand it - then it is simple and convenient to make adjustments

The receivers are built off the Integra 20.4 (PA-R100) and 30.4 (PA-R200) cores.
http://www.integrahometheater.com/mo...s=Receiver&p=i

http://www.integrahometheater.com/mo...s=Receiver&p=i

Gibson (guitar) owns the majority of Teac/Tascam and Onkyo/Integra, so it seems
they decided to stick to the basic consumer side with the Onkyo/Integra receivers.

As most of us should know by now, Onkyo has discontinued Audyssey in the 2014
model receivers - and is going with their own thing and Atmos.


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No pictures at this time

Yes, they are discontinued - the reason for the good prices.

The Receiver was built with a focus on the pro side - such as schools, colleges,
restaurants, sports bars, malls and the like.

However it seems, looks like that the sells did not take off on the pro side.

However, they work real good for some of us on the consumer side.

I did not buy the receiver based on Audyssey room calibration - I am in the
minority group, with those who do not use the different receiver built-in auto
speaker calibrations.

With the exception of those who favor the higher-level audio calibrations, the
Tascam is a well built receiver, the sound is clean/clear with low distortion. >
The picture is also good - and the on screen menu/operation system is nice,
once you understand it - then it is simple and convenient to make adjustments

The receivers are built off the Integra 20.4 (PA-R100) and 30.4 (PA-R200) cores.
http://www.integrahometheater.com/mo...s=Receiver&p=i

http://www.integrahometheater.com/mo...s=Receiver&p=i

Gibson (guitar) owns the majority of Teac/Tascam and Onkyo/Integra, so it seems
they decided to stick to the basic consumer side with the Onkyo/Integra receivers.

As most of us should know by now, Onkyo has discontinued Audyssey in the 2014
model receivers - and is going with their own thing and Atmos.


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My only concern with it is the version of Audyssey it has. It doesn't apply to the subwoofer.
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My only concern with it is the version of Audyssey it has. It doesn't apply to the subwoofer.
I do my own tuning.

If you want more, then you spend more.

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No pictures at this time

That's too bad; I really wanted to see what the AVR looked like in an actual setup...

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Yes, they are discontinued - the reason for the good prices.

Figured as much; but they didn't really spend a lot of time on the market from what it seems...being an Onkyo clone, I wonder just how many of these found buyers when many people don't even know TASCAM exists or that it's TEAC's professional division...

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The Receiver was built with a focus on the pro side - such as schools, colleges,
restaurants, sports bars, malls and the like.

I'm aware of that, as all of TASCAM's products are geared for the pro end of things -- but that begs the question...What school, college, restaurant or shopping mall would need a SURROUND receiver with decoding for lossless formats and the like?

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However it seems, looks like that the sells did not take off on the pro side.

Indeed; I don't think the so-called "pro" divisions of even Marantz or Onkyo do "well" in this regard...aside from the rack-mountable "ears" and such, is there anything that really sets apart the consumer receivers, processors, etc. from the professional ones? I don't really see it...

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However, they work real good for some of us on the consumer side.

I'm sure -- but then why not just buy a consumer-grade unit (unless the price you paid for the TASCAM was ridiculously undercutting the Onkyos, etc.)?


As I noted, I too own a TASCAM product, but it's a CD recorder that came boxed in its "professionally-oriented" preparation: In other words, it had the rack mount ears attached. Because I don't have the recorder mounted in a professional metal rack, I removed the ears with a screwdriver (they were in fact removable) and I'd probably do the same with a receiver, power amp or processor if I bought a "pro grade" variant...

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I did not buy the receiver based on Audyssey room calibration - I am in the
minority group, with those who do not use the different receiver built-in auto
speaker calibrations.

Funny you mention this -- I am TOTALLY just like you with regard to the auto-setup programs of receivers; I don't rely on them and choose to set up the system myself, manually, entering physical distances from the sweet spot, speaker dB levels and crossovers and even running the Audyssey EQ OFF. I just feel like I am "hearing" MY speakers the way they're SUPPOSED to sound without EQ in the mix...


So I'm right with you there; I don't buy AVRs based on the room correction or auto-setup algorithms...

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With the exception of those who favor the higher-level audio calibrations, the
Tascam is a well built receiver, the sound is clean/clear with low distortion. >
The picture is also good - and the on screen menu/operation system is nice,
once you understand it - then it is simple and convenient to make adjustments

You're not running discrete HDMI passthrough with the TASCAM for video? That's how I'm doing it with my Onkyo 605 -- HDMI OUT from my OPPO Blu-ray player to the AVR's HDMI IN, then HDMI OUT from the AVR to my display, with 1080p untouched...

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The receivers are built off the Integra 20.4 (PA-R100) and 30.4 (PA-R200) cores.
http://www.integrahometheater.com/mo...s=Receiver&p=i

http://www.integrahometheater.com/mo...s=Receiver&p=i

Interesting; though they visually LOOK just like the Onkyos...

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Gibson (guitar) owns the majority of Teac/Tascam and Onkyo/Integra, so it seems
they decided to stick to the basic consumer side with the Onkyo/Integra receivers.

Yes, I'm aware of Gibson's "marriage" to these brands...

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As most of us should know by now, Onkyo has discontinued Audyssey in the 2014
model receivers - and is going with their own thing and Atmos.

I'm aware of this as well, much to the dismay of Audyssey junkies, but I'm still so confused about the whole ATMOS thing; is this just an algorithm to "spread" more sound through additional speakers in a room, or is it something that's going to be encoded in future 4K/Ultra HD discs/software?


I know Onkyo's new AVRs are using their new "AccuEQ" (I think it's called) proprietary setup program...

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My only concern with it is the version of Audyssey it has. It doesn't apply to the subwoofer.

Are you referring to the version of Audyssey the TASCAM has? If it's not applying correction to the sub, it probably has the basic "2EQ" version like my Onkyo 605 has...

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I do my own tuning.

As do I...


Do you actually leave the EQ disengaged...or do you tune those frequencies by ear/to liking/by meter?

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As do I...

Do you actually leave the EQ disengaged...
I leave it disengaged - I have minor room treatments - and my ears are in good shape.

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I leave it disengaged - I have minor room treatments - and my ears are in good shape.

I see and I leave EQ off as well; while I do not have room treatments, my ears are in good shape as well, and the way I see it, leaving EQ off simply lets me "hear" and experience my system without any frequency coloration and such...so many people have complained about Audyssey and other programs "blanketing" the highs of their systems with cinema rolloffs and other issues that it seems logical to me leaving EQ disengaged allows the system and speakers to be "heard" for what they are...especially if it's pretty good equipment.

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I just bought the receiver off Ebay new in the box for $188 plus $19 shipping.
One of the best deals all around - they still have some.

It is a good one - the sound is clean - the picture is good

Takes a little time to get use to the menu - once you get a handle of it, it is nice

I am a fan of the receiver orange display window - and the on screen volume level display.

For one on a tight budget, or who needs a second receiver - this should be put on a short list

I replaced the Denon 791 receiver with it - and I am happy
I looked on ebay , no 188.00 Tascam PA-R200 units, must have gone after your post zieg, wish I had known, bought a Sony 1030 for more, so far not working well.
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I looked on ebay , no 188.00 Tascam PA-R200 units, must have gone after your post zieg, wish I had known, bought a Sony 1030 for more, so far not working well.
He puts them up usually twice a week - for 3 day periods - after one sales, then he
will soon put another one up, for buy it now.

He also puts one up for a bid
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TASCAM-PAR20...item3ce4e76f52

Just need to keep checking

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Besides the 3rd zone, 100w vs 80w channels, and the second sub, are there any differences between the 100 and the 200? I'm picking up some Energy Take Classics and I'm wondering if there's really any reason to jump to the 200. Thoughts?

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Besides the 3rd zone, 100w vs 80w channels, and the second sub, are there any differences between the 100 and the 200? I'm picking up some Energy Take Classics and I'm wondering if there's really any reason to jump to the 200. Thoughts?
7.2 channel pre-outs

More dynamic headroom

For under $200 - pretty much a no brainer

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I had bought the PA-R100 for $259 on Amazon in June, after noticing they had the PA-R200 for about $700 so that was way above my budget. But then a couple of weeks later I saw the PA-R200 on Ebay for $181! I was like WTF?? But then I thought it was some kind of scam or there was a catch 22 on that. After I did some research, I noticed what zieg was saying that the seller posts them once or twice a week, so while I missed buying the first one I saw, soon after that I saw he posted another one for about the same price. The only thing I noticed is that they have no manufacturer's warranty even though they are brand new unopened. Other sellers on Ebay justify their higher pricing on the PA-R200 by saying they are licensed to sell TASCAM equipment and that the sellers selling them for less are not licensed so they cannot offer warranty. I don't know how much truth or BS there is to that, but the fact is I decided to re-sell my 3-week-old PA-R100 on Amazon and buy the PA-R200 on Ebay. I sold the PA-R100 for a bit more than what I paid for the 200. Crazy deal!. I just bought a Squaretrade warranty for it since the seller said it has no manufacturer's warranty. That was the only weird thing about it. Other than that, the 200 came factory sealed, brand new and works great!

But after all, I am glad I got the 200 because of one little gem this receiver has: it allows you to run the front channels in Bi-Amp mode. Here's why I find this so valuable: I don't have a powered subwoofer for my 5.1 speaker system. I have a home-made band-pass sub box I made with a 10-inch dual-coil Pioneer sub which rattles the house, so I love it. My home-made system is modeled after the Bose Acoustimass 10, if anyone remembers those. The subwoofer does not have its own amp but I added bass-blocker capacitors so the small cube speakers don't get blown. Since the amp doesn't have a powered sub output, I have to connect it to the front channels (L + R) in parallel with the small cube front speakers, so my settings on the amp are basically 5.0 speakers (no separate subwoofer) since the front channels are driving all the bass. The great thing about Bi-Amp mode is that now I can separate the sub from the front cube speakers. It allows me to reuse the front-high channels as regular front channels, so you get a pair of dedicated front channels for the cubes and another pair of front channels dedicated for the subwoofer. This helps a lot when blasting music as it helps prevent distortion. The information on the manual about this is very little and kinda hard to find so I had to try it myself to see how it worked. I thought it was going to crossover the outputs but unfortunately both outputs are full range. The settings do not allow me to set crossover settings for this kind of setup.

Besides that, other things the PA-R100 lacks is THX, Zone 3 output, a powered Zone 2, and about 20 watts of additional RMS power per channel. There's also one or two additional HDMI ports on the back of the 200. In addition, the PA-R200 has a manually adjustable EQ, which is something I could not find on the 100. I could only find an automatic EQ on the 100. Another thing the 200 has is a front HDMI input. The only thing I wish the 200 had is bluetooth or airplay functionality.

If you want to get more than 100W per channel RMS, just get lower impedance speakers, like 6 ohm or 4 ohm but don't go lower than that. Just give the amp plenty of ventilation. I my case I added two 12V 120mm computer fans to keep it cool. My Pioneer dual-coil sub is designed for cars so it runs the amp at 4-ohm and I never had the amp trigger its safety protection during loud booms in movies or bassy hip-hop music tracks.

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