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post #31 of 49 Old 11-18-2013, 02:41 PM
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Hi I just exchanged the x4000 as the trigger was faulty and maybe more was too for a 4520ci

To be honest there is a major step up in performance and sound and separation

This Is not a review per say just my findings between the 2

I am running krix neuphonix main speakers with an epicentrix centre and a20 atmospherix surround the front 3 are 4ohm and the surrounds are 6ohms

I had both avrs connected to the elektra theatron 7 power amp

My findings are as if the x4000 sound thin and anemic compared to the 4520 richer deeper and fuller sound

Also the dialogue enhancer is a very nice touch

I did not think there would be much in it but there is

The burr browns or ti dacs in the 4520 are
More superior than the x4000 dacs

By the way i was using both avrs as pre amps

But the main difference would be cost here in australia

I paid 1830 for the x4000 and 2600 for the 4520

For the 770 price diff I got a unit made in japan

The Ethernet switch better dacs assignable amps for my zones. Excellent sound quality

The price diff in my opinion is worth it

I have read heaps if posts between the av8801 and 4520 that they are almost exactly the same but with some differences ie copper chassi xlr inputs and few others and the difference in sound quality is subtle where the av8801 just beats it but the price difference is a lot

This might help others decide what to get

Don't get me wrong the x4000 is a fine unit but if you can stretch a little more I'd recommend the 4520

Others can chime in if they think otherwise


Thanx Denis
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Don't get me wrong the x4000 is a fine unit but if you can stretch a little more I'd recommend the 4520

I agree. I was on the fence myself, but since I have 4 ohm speakers, I decided to go with the 4520. I'm glad I did - it made me ( yes - the 4520 put a gun to my head ) go from a 7.1 system to an 11.2 speaker system. The sound quality, once you learn to properly calibrate with Audyssey, and learn to master the various settings, is superb - the best sound I've ever had in my theater !! smile.gif

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Hi Guys- If budget is not an issue, which AVR is the best ? I will be moving into a big house in a year. Do i really need to buy a separate amplifier. I have the aperion intimus speakers top of line right now with pioneer SC-07
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Hi I just exchanged the x4000 as the trigger was faulty and maybe more was too for a 4520ci

To be honest there is a major step up in performance and sound and separation

This Is not a review per say just my findings between the 2

I am running krix neuphonix main speakers with an epicentrix centre and a20 atmospherix surround the front 3 are 4ohm and the surrounds are 6ohms

I had both avrs connected to the elektra theatron 7 power amp

My findings are as if the x4000 sound thin and anemic compared to the 4520 richer deeper and fuller sound

Also the dialogue enhancer is a very nice touch

I did not think there would be much in it but there is

The burr browns or ti dacs in the 4520 are
More superior than the x4000 dacs

By the way i was using both avrs as pre amps

But the main difference would be cost here in australia

I paid 1830 for the x4000 and 2600 for the 4520

For the 770 price diff I got a unit made in japan

The Ethernet switch better dacs assignable amps for my zones. Excellent sound quality

The price diff in my opinion is worth it

I have read heaps if posts between the av8801 and 4520 that they are almost exactly the same but with some differences ie copper chassi xlr inputs and few others and the difference in sound quality is subtle where the av8801 just beats it but the price difference is a lot

This might help others decide what to get

Don't get me wrong the x4000 is a fine unit but if you can stretch a little more I'd recommend the 4520

Others can chime in if they think otherwise


Thanx Denis
Anybody else in AVS land get similar findings since these 2 have been out a while now?
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I have the x4000 (5.2) and 4311 (5.1) and find that they both sound great. I think any differences between the 2 that I could try to communicate would likely be attributable to different rooms, speakers/subs etc. but again, after running XT32 and a little personal taste tweaking, they both are amazing - use for both setups is 98% home theater

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Anybody else in AVS land get similar findings since these 2 have been out a while now?
Thanks. I would like to know too =) I own the x4000 now and would like to hear from fellow denon users what are the improvements for the 4520 over the x4000 in terms of sound quality for moveies, muti-channel concerts and 2-channel music.
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I have the x4000 (5.2) and 4311 (5.1) and find that they both sound great. I think any differences between the 2 that I could try to communicate would likely be attributable to different rooms, speakers/subs etc. but again, after running XT32 and a little personal taste tweaking, they both are amazing - use for both setups is 98% home theater
You do not see any of the differences quoted by d4g.........also I wonder if having 2 subs on one makes a difference?

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Hi I just exchanged the x4000 as the trigger was faulty and maybe more was too for a 4520ci

To be honest there is a major step up in performance and sound and separation

This Is not a review per say just my findings between the 2

I am running krix neuphonix main speakers with an epicentrix centre and a20 atmospherix surround the front 3 are 4ohm and the surrounds are 6ohms

I had both avrs connected to the elektra theatron 7 power amp

My findings are as if the x4000 sound thin and anemic compared to the 4520 richer deeper and fuller sound

Also the dialogue enhancer is a very nice touch

I did not think there would be much in it but there is

The burr browns or ti dacs in the 4520 are
More superior than the x4000 dacs

By the way i was using both avrs as pre amps

But the main difference would be cost here in australia

I paid 1830 for the x4000 and 2600 for the 4520

For the 770 price diff I got a unit made in japan

The Ethernet switch better dacs assignable amps for my zones. Excellent sound quality

The price diff in my opinion is worth it

I have read heaps if posts between the av8801 and 4520 that they are almost exactly the same but with some differences ie copper chassi xlr inputs and few others and the difference in sound quality is subtle where the av8801 just beats it but the price difference is a lot

This might help others decide what to get

Don't get me wrong the x4000 is a fine unit but if you can stretch a little more I'd recommend the 4520

Others can chime in if they think otherwise


Thanx Denis
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Hi guys,<br><br>
I need some help with an important decision - what AVR to buy <img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif"><br><br>
I am deciding between Denon x4000 and Denon 4520. I have read the comparison provided by batpig <a class="bbcode_url" href="http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq#post_23134184">here</a> but I am still unsure which way to go. Currently I have a Yamaha DSP-Z7 which I want to replace. It's currently driving 5.0 setup of HECO Celan XT speakers (2x Celan XT 901, 2x Celan XT 301 and 1x Celan XT Center - specs <a class="bbcode_url" href="http://www.heco-audio.de/index.php?id=3167&amp;L=1" target="_blank">here</a>) to which I am adding a sub (Celan XT Sub 32A). The front speakers are bi-amped which I would like to keep and maybe add 2 speakers in the distatnt future (as I read on this forum today - when my CFO at home says I can...). The speakers are rated 4 to 8 ohms which kind of puzzles me to be honest. The listening room is not too big - around 36 m2.<br><br>
So I am thinking which of these two I should buy. I can get the x4000 for about 1.000,- € and the 4520 for approx 1.800,- €. Maybe it is an overkill to go for a 4520 and pay the 800,- € extra but then the "what if" questions come to haunt me. That is why I need you experienced folks to give me a hand and tell me that:<br><br>
a) x4000 has plenty of power to drive my humble setup or<br>
b) I really need to go for the 4520<br><br>
Any and all advice is welcome and thank you for your precious time.
Any help here?
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Ok got a loaner X4000 and like the flexibility of it and tweaked some of the eq settings for 2 channel to make it sound good for me. There is a lot of room for adjustment here and still learning. Audyssey gives you choices within (Flat/Audyssey/EQ/ Off..etc). The only problem so far is that while running the thing at reference level (O db) after about 15 min it goes into a protection mode......shuts down with the power light blinking red. Don't get it as it is only driving the surrounds and center (7 channels) and I have a separate for the fronts and zone 2. I guess I could put the Center on the 5 channel amp I have, but I wouldn't think that I need to. Is this a defective unit or do I need to get the 4520 especially now with the sale.
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Is this a defective unit or do I need to get the 4520 especially now with the sale.
I am also on the fence between the two, but have an old SACD player which only has analog outs for surround mode. How much of a discount is being offered and where is the sale? If it lowers the difference enough, I could be tempted.

UPDATE: assume you're talking about the AVScience phone in deal?

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I am also on the fence between the two, but have an old SACD player which only has analog outs for surround mode. How much of a discount is being offered and where is the sale? If it lowers the difference enough, I could be tempted.

UPDATE: assume you're talking about the AVScience phone in deal?

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Yes indeed ... but be quick to call as the sale only lasts until this Saturday.

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Hi everyone, I am in the same boat as well. I am considering switching from my 3808 to either the x4000 or 4250. Going through the posts, would I be right in saying if I can afford it, the 4250 is a much better purchase?
Thank you.

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It really depends on the features you want as although the 4520CI is more feature laden, the X4000 can pass HDMI PCM 2.0 audio to Zone 2 and optical/digital coax PCM 2.0 audio to Zones 2/3 neither of which the 4520CI can do. The X4000 can expand to 9.2 with an external amp so would meet your expansion requirement and would likely provide sufficient power to the speakers as speaker impedance will vary as noted in your speaker specs averaging between 4-8ohms.
Old post I know, but I thought the 4520 could pass. PCM from optical/coax to Zone 2? I think I still have my 4311 hooked up like this, and it works fine. Did they remove this feature in the 4520?
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Yup, as well as on the 3313CI.

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I have a few questions. I am having trouble finding answers through search funct. Thanks in advance!

I am a new owner of X4000, coming over from UMC 200, connected to Emotiva amps. I am not using the preamp of x4000 to connect to amps.

1) On Audyssey, fronts and center were listed as large and crossovers seem way low (40 for large and 60 for center). Can I switch them to small/change crossover and rerun audyssey?
2) If not, I can switch it under manual settings, but then do I have to make all changes manually and lose advantage of audyssey?
3) when playing high res audio, is there a place where it shows what kHz it is playing at?
4) Is there a way of tweaking Audyssey results, outside of trim adjustments that don't save?
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savora -

Yes, you can tweak Audyssey's results to your preference. Nothing wrong with it and very common.

You should set all speakers to "small" with a crossover of 80hz to start with (this is post-Audyssey, if you re-run Audyssey you will have to change these settings again because Audyssey will re-set them).

As far as tweaking Audyssey's results - there's Dynamic EQ and the associated RLO (Reference Level Offset) that can be adjusted, you can adjust between Audyssey and Audyssey Flat, you can bump up the trim level on your sub (most folks like at least a 3db boost, some go as high as 8-9db).

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Yes indeed ... but be quick to call as the sale only lasts until this Saturday.
Is the sale for the 4520 only, or are both on sale?
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I'm also in the market for 4520. I currently have a dennon x4000 (bought from crutch via scratch n dent department). It's been limping into protection mode too much. It does however perform very well, but I'd like an upgrade.

send me a price quote via PM if possible.
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