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post #1 of 13 Old 05-27-2013, 04:49 PM - Thread Starter
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Now I imagine this question has been raised before on this forum, but after some extensive reading I personally are yet to find an answer. I currently own a Yamaha RXA3020 but I do find it too bright and forward (particularly with poorly recorded dialogue) which is something I did not find on my old RX-A3010 on my Paradigm Studio 100's and Signature C5 centre. Extensive adjustments have not made any help in the key area of complaint. So I am left with the two receivers aforementioned, the AVR-4520 & TX-NR3010. Feature wise they will both be fine (apart from a lack of Zone 1 trigger output on the Onkyo for my Emotiva XPA3 power amp) so it's more from a sound quality perspective that I am looking for. I don't particularly want to go the dedicated pre/pro and another power amplifier due to limited space and for that matter, replace my XPA3 which has been great. Can anyone provide advice? Thankyou.

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This is a easy call. The 9.2 AVR-4520 has 192 khz/32 bit-DACs, and it provides 4K pass through. The 9.2 TX-NR3010 is using 192 kHz/24-bit DACs and doesn't do 4K pass through. Powerwise pretty similar. Tonal also about the same.

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I really comes down to personal preference and price. If you have no brand preference (and trust me, those who do would gladly lose features and pay more just to say in a brand - think Apple for an egregious example of it), then go on price. Both are excellent receivers. It is impossible for the human ear to hear the difference between 24 and 32 bit dacs, so do not let that sway you. The Onkyo has better video processing capabilities - but I doubt most humans will be able to notice the difference in that, so I would not let it sway you either way.

EDIT: Also, 4K pass-through is nothing to brag about right now. Until HDMI 2.0 comes out we are stuck with a crippled form of 4K video. The current iterations cannot handle a 60Hz 2K signal at all, so the 4K pass-through is sort of a joke. By the time 4K is sorted out and we have HDMI 2.0, you will be in the market for a new receiver anyway...and new BluRay player...and new TV...


Basically, given the subtle differences between the two, if you do not have a brand preference then make your decision based on price.




EDIT: Fixed obvious error of saying 2K instead of 4K
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I really comes down to personal preference and price. If you have no brand preference (and trust me, those who do would gladly lose features and pay more just to say in a brand - think Apple for an egregious example of it), then go on price. Both are excellent receivers. It is impossible for the human ear to hear the difference between 24 and 32 bit dacs, so do not let that sway you. The Onkyo has better video processing capabilities - but I doubt most humans will be able to notice the difference in that, so I would not let it sway you either way.

EDIT: Also, 2K pass-through is nothing to brag about right now. Until HDMI 2.0 comes out we are stuck with a crippled form of 2K video. The current iterations cannot handle a 60Hz 2K signal at all, so the 2K pass-through is sort of a joke. By the time 2K is sorted out and we have HDMI 2.0, you will be in the market for a new receiver anyway...and new BluRay player...and new TV...

Basically, given the subtle differences between the two, if you do not have a brand preference then make your decision based on price.
Not sure why you are discussing 2K pass through (1080P), every AVR supports that. 4K pass through refers to 2160p. HDMI 1.4b does fully support 1080P at 120hz (October 11, 2011)

At this time, the new UDTV sets are 4k/24hz. If you have a BD player that support 4Kx2K (1080P scaled to 4K) plugged into the AVR you will be able to pass the 4k/24hz video out of the AVR to the UDTV.

I expect it to be a whole lot more complicated to discuss the technology involved with moving twice as much data going from 4k 24hz or 30hz to 4k 60hz. (300MHz/900Gbps vs 600MHz/1800Gbps). HDMI forum can publish its new spec when it gets around to it, doesn't mean all the players will be ready (streaming, broadcast, media, communications interfaces, pipes, cables) quickly. cool.gif

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I fixed it...I obviously meant 4K. My statement still stands...until the new transport specs are finalized and produced, any 4K picture you send will be crippled. UDHD can only do 30Hz...so you are stuck with interlaced video. Of course, the seating distance to even begin viewing any 4K advantage is ludicrous...



If you have a 50 inch screen, you need to be no further away than 7.5 feet in order to even begin to notice anything. To actually start enjoying the extra resolution, you need to be under 5 feet from the 50 inch screen. If you have a projector and can get a 105 inch screen (mine is 106 inches, which is why I selected that size), you still must be around 10 feel from the screen to begin to actually enjoy the extra resolution. UHD (which is what I think you meant by UDHD) TV sets are still extremely expensive for the gimped video output. In a few years things will be good enough and cheap enough to actually have real 4K setups.

So like I said, 4K pass-through is nothing to brag about...it is one of those useless things that look great on paper. I was simply letting him know the few things each does better than the other and that they are, basically, useless things to buy one over the other for. For these two receivers, price is the discriminator since both brands are great brands.
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I have an Onkyo 1010 and not having a trigger for the main zone is crazy. I got to find a work around to turn on my sub amp.
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That certainly is a stupid decision on Onkyo's behalf! At the moment I have a TX-NR3010 on loan to compare it to the Yamaha RXA3020 I have here with the Paradigms. I'm gobsmacked at just how many awards, praise the Yammie gets from professional reviewers. In my situation I don't find it the same way they do!

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falcon.........do you feel the Onkyo 3010 sounds better than your Yamaha units??
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falcon.........do you feel the Onkyo 3010 sounds better than your Yamaha units??

I have to say the sound from watching TV is noticeably better with more bottom end as well. But I will be running Audessey shortly and will have a play.

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The two big things the Denon have over the Onkyo are the 12v trigger and a built in 4 port 10/100 Ethernet switch (though I have to question the wisdom in not making it gigabit). If you think you need either one, then the Denon 4250 is the way to go. I forgot about those two things.
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Agreed. And for that reason I have ordered a Denon AVR-4520!

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You will be happy with it; you cannot go wrong with either one.
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Digging up an old thread but I am currently in the same position. My AVR-X4000 is defective and is being returned. I am using the opportunity to upgrade although I was quite happy with the X4000 prior to the HDMI board developing issues. I will be using the receiver as a pre/pro and I see that the Onkyo has 4.6v preouts and the Denon has 2v preouts. Has anyone here compared the two in a pre/pro setup and can comment on sound/performance? Thanks!

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