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While passing by an RX-A2030 I noticed the display said SERVER. I was out of the store before I started to wonder what exactly that function does. I'll certainly be tying my next receiver/pre-pro to my HTPC and NAS, so does anyone know the ins and outs of that function?
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I never actually use this function but from reading the manual and comparing it with other receivers, it seems like you will be able to see networked drive(s) to play (at least) music through the receiver.

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If it works like my RX-A3010 does then yes it will see DLNA compatible servers. I am not sure if SMB type file shares are supported (i.e. Windows, UNIX, LINUX, iOS) which is a direct way to connect to folders on said operating systems. I use a DLNA plugin called Asset (this is a free application) to connect to my windows home server which hosts my FLAC Lossless encoded files. The playback of these files on my system is excellent and provides a seamless way to access all the music stored on my server. I currently have over 1200 CDs that reside on the server with a library of over 13000 songs that I can browse through and select to playback. The only thing I haven't figured out is how to create a playlist on Asset and have the receiver play it back. This DLNA plugin also provides the same music files to my Oppo BDP-95 and my wifes Oppo BDP-103 and they also playback without a problem on these units. I am hoping the CX-A5000 I have pre-ordered can do SMB browsing and playback so I can eliminate the Asset middleman, but if not I am sure from reading the manual that DLNA playback will work the same way as it does now.

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If it works like my RX-A3010 does then yes it will see DLNA compatible servers. I am not sure if SMB type file shares are supported (i.e. Windows, UNIX, LINUX, iOS) which is a direct way to connect to folders on said operating systems. I use a DLNA plugin called Asset (this is a free application) to connect to my windows home server which hosts my FLAC Lossless encoded files. The playback of these files on my system is excellent and provides a seamless way to access all the music stored on my server. I currently have over 1200 CDs that reside on the server with a library of over 13000 songs that I can browse through and select to playback. The only thing I haven't figured out is how to create a playlist on Asset and have the receiver play it back. This DLNA plugin also provides the same music files to my Oppo BDP-95 and my wifes Oppo BDP-103 and they also playback without a problem on these units. I am hoping the CX-A5000 I have pre-ordered can do SMB browsing and playback so I can eliminate the Asset middleman, but if not I am sure from reading the manual that DLNA playback will work the same way as it does now.

I'm using the aVIa application on my Sony Google TV box to play my FLAC files with my Z11 and expect that the CX-A5000 that I've also pre-ordered will do this function as well. The RX-A720 (that I recently gave to my ex-wife smile.gif ) seemed to work as expected with FLAC files over DLNA. I didn't try SMB so can't comment on that. Note that my Oppo BDP-103 also supports FLAC over DLNA, but I find it's startup scan time (for my 20,000+ tracks) to be painful to tolerate so prefer aVia on the Sony Google TV. It seems to 'remember' what tracks were there the last time I used it and so doesn't take the 5-10 minutes scan time on startup.
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Just got the e-mail from amazon, should have the CX-A5000 in my hands on the 7th. I will post my thoughts on the unit shortly afterwards. biggrin.gif:D

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I have never been a fan of any DSP effects for music, even on past Yamaha's. Waiting impatiently to see how the 5000 compares to the Marantz 8801 musically.

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I dont like DSP modes and have been looking at the Marantz 8801 to replace my Onkyo 5508 pre/pro

The new yamaha pre/pro has my interest



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Wow, did not recall that the Z11 was so expensive. Thanks for that info.

I sometimes suspect certain pricing is rather arbitrary.

it is

I paid $599 for a Z7 a few years ago....Magnolia Home theater clearance

at $2500 MSRP...it was very overpriced

I actually sold it a year later and made a profit...smile.gif


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THX certification, when pro-rated, hardly cost anything per-receiver. It is just sometimes delay the release date when things need to be changed/tweaked in order to pass the certification. (there are around 2,000 points of inspection that need to be passed in order to get the certification)


I would tend to agree

for example the Onkyo 805 had a MSRP of $999 when introduced in 2007...and it was THX Ultra certified

I think Yamaha( and Denon) seem to get a bit optimistic when they set their pricing

two examples that I have had personal experience with are the Yamaha z7 and Denon 4310... both grossly overpriced at MSRP


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Check Hi-Fi Heaven, they carry the Marantz AV8801 and Yamaha CX-A5000:
http://hifiheaven.net/store/Products/Home-Theater-Electronics

I bought my AV8801 there last January for $2400 with the trade in of my Yamaha RX-V1900 AVR, so deals are to be had when you have a decent trade in - just email and ask them!
I suspect the CX-A5000 could be had for $2000 (or less) with a trade in.
(Note that they are authorized dealers for both brands...).

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I am looking forward to getting my unit and testing it pretty thoroughly. Some of the things that I look forward to in this unit (CX-A5000) is actually being able to utilize the XLR outputs with my 7 channel and 4 channel ATI AT 2000 series amplifiers. When I had my B&K Ref 50S II, I utilized the XLR out jacks into my B&K 2007.1 amp and since last summer when they both died and I replaced it with my current Yamaha RX-A3010 receiver the sound just hasn't been the same. I am aware that the XLR output gain is 6DB higher but with that aside, my Klipsch reference speakers just seem to lack the mid base and clarity they once had. Now the RX-A3010 is no slouch and I do enjoy it so it will be relegated to my HT room down in my shop (i.e. man cave). I am hoping that the HDMI inputs will allow choice of audio input sources as I have a BDP-95 which I will connect to the XLR in for audio, but having the video available via HDMI makes browsing and using the oppo for audio playback easier. I can currently do this with my existing RX-A3010 by assigning audio input 3 as the sound source for HDMI input 3, but the manual for the new unit is vague on that being a feature. I am also interested in seeing what the settings on the DACs will do as they show three settings available in the manual. The one thing that held me back from the Marantz 8801 (I was 1 day from purchasing it) is it does not do selectable HDMI pass through when in standby mode. What I mean by that is the Marantz, when in standby, either has a setting to revert back to an HDMI input of your choice in the settings menu, or the last one which was being used when the unit was on. The Yamaha on the other hand allows you to select an HDMI input of your choice while the unit is in standby and just pass the signal through without having to turn the unit on. I have had separates for 28 years and until the B&K units died shied away from receivers, so it will be great to go back. If anyone has any question, please let me know after the 7th and I will be happy to answer them as the folks on this forum have provided valuable information and insight for me I will be glad to play it forward.

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I am looking forward to getting my unit and testing it pretty thoroughly.

Some of the things that I look forward to in this unit (CX-A5000) is actually being able to utilize the XLR outputs with my 7 channel and 4 channel ATI AT 2000 series amplifiers.

When I had my B&K Ref 50S II, I utilized the XLR out jacks into my B&K 2007.1 amp and since last summer when they both died and I replaced it with my current Yamaha RX-A3010 receiver the sound just hasn't been the same. I am aware that the XLR output gain is 6DB higher but with that aside, my Klipsch reference speakers just seem to lack the mid base and clarity they once had. Now the RX-A3010 is no slouch and I do enjoy it so it will be relegated to my HT room down in my shop (i.e. man cave).

I am hoping that the HDMI inputs will allow choice of audio input sources as I have a BDP-95 which I will connect to the XLR in for audio, but having the video available via HDMI makes browsing and using the oppo for audio playback easier. I can currently do this with my existing RX-A3010 by assigning audio input 3 as the sound source for HDMI input 3, but the manual for the new unit is vague on that being a feature. I am also interested in seeing what the settings on the DACs will do as they show three settings available in the manual.

The one thing that held me back from the Marantz 8801 (I was 1 day from purchasing it) is it does not do selectable HDMI pass through when in standby mode. What I mean by that is the Marantz, when in standby, either has a setting to revert back to an HDMI input of your choice in the settings menu, or the last one which was being used when the unit was on. The Yamaha on the other hand allows you to select an HDMI input of your choice while the unit is in standby and just pass the signal through without having to turn the unit on.

I have had separates for 28 years and until the B&K units died shied away from receivers, so it will be great to go back. If anyone has any question, please let me know after the 7th and I will be happy to answer them as the folks on this forum have provided valuable information and insight for me I will be glad to play it forward.

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BTW... Smitty pointed out something that I missed.

I will update the first post, but there are two new things I found.

1. Only the A3030/CX-A5000 have the ability to apply VPS, or Virtual Presence Speakers...

2. Only the CX-A5000 has the DAC Filter Shape settings.

There are 3 settings,

Sharp Roll-off Type: Removes out-of-band noises by the filter with steep attenuation characteristics.
It has a tendency to produce clear sounds.

Slow Roll-off Type: Removes out-of-band noises by the filter with gentle attenuation characteristics.
It has a tendency to produce soft sounds.

Short Latency Type (default): Reduces the audio delay caused by the DAC internal digital filter. It has a tendency to produce responsive and rhythmical sounds.

I suspect the last/default just "bypasses" the filter (and after looking at the spec sheet, which lists only Fast and Slow filter settings, I think that's the case.)

The last couple of Pioneers I owned had the same feature, and it most assuredly made a difference in the sound.

Why it's not in the A3030 I don't know.
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Check Hi-Fi Heaven, they carry the Marantz AV8801 and Yamaha CX-A5000:
http://hifiheaven.net/store/Products/Home-Theater-Electronics

I bought my AV8801 there last January for $2400 with the trade in of my Yamaha RX-V1900 AVR, so deals are to be had when you have a decent trade in - just email and ask them!
I suspect the CX-A5000 could be had for $2000 (or less) with a trade in.
(Note that they are authorized dealers for both brands...).

I not sure about Hi-Fi heaven

they were willing to give me a little more in trade in allowance for Onkyo 5508 prepro...like $200 more than they offered you

However...they are still selling the Onkyo pro-pro for $1400 new( a discontinued unit that had a $2199 MSRP)...besides that I saw others in the Marantz 8801 forum paying( from authorized dealers) within a few hundred dollars(like $400) of what their offer to me was without a trade in

So...all things considered they were offering me $400 in trade...LOL

Curiously two years ago when I bought the Onkyo 5508 new, they quoted me $1899...I bought it from another authorized dealer for $1599


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^^^. Guys. Can we stay on topic and no specific price talk. If you want to share deal use PM. smile.gif
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BTW... Smitty pointed out something that I missed.

I will update the first post, but there are two new things I found.

1. Only the A3030/CX-A5000 have the ability to apply VPS, or Virtual Presence Speakers...

2. Only the CX-A5000 has the DAC Filter Shape settings.

There are 3 settings,

Sharp Roll-off Type: Removes out-of-band noises by the filter with steep attenuation characteristics.
It has a tendency to produce clear sounds.

Slow Roll-off Type: Removes out-of-band noises by the filter with gentle attenuation characteristics.
It has a tendency to produce soft sounds.

Short Latency Type (default): Reduces the audio delay caused by the DAC internal digital filter. It has a tendency to produce responsive and rhythmical sounds.

I suspect the last/default just "bypasses" the filter (and after looking at the spec sheet, which lists only Fast and Slow filter settings, I think that's the case.)

The last couple of Pioneers I owned had the same feature, and it most assuredly made a difference in the sound.

Why it's not in the A3030 I don't know.

Ummm. Wow. This isn't a feature I noticed or even really understand. This has got to be a feature for the die hard music peeps as I don't see a benefit of either setting for movie viewing.

What do you think, Marc? Is there any more you can explain about this feature?

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Ummm. Wow. This isn't a feature I noticed or even really understand. This has got to be a feature for the die hard music peeps as I don't see a benefit of either setting for movie viewing.

What do you think, Marc? Is there any more you can explain about this feature?

Nothing other than it does what it says.

It is called Sharp (solid and tight) and Slow (soft and warm) on the Pioneers. Sharp just made it sound brighter in my limited listening. I don't know what DACs the older SCs were using... The new models don't let you "bypass" it.

It's part of the feature set of the DACs... In addition to these filters, for example, the ESS 9016 also has multiple over sampling for DSD, volume control and a "soft" mute feature.

I would think its OFF on the Ax030 series, same as the default on the CX-A5000.

Again thanks to Smitty for pointing it out..... It was easy to miss.
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I guess I am just curious as these filters are right on the edge or just beyond the bandwidth of our hearing and that of the vast majority of spectral content in nearly all media. I can't imagine how I would hear any difference (or anything close to added "brightness") so far out in the audible band. I mean, basically it is giving us an adjustable low pass filter for the ultra high frequencies. Do we want a hard knee or soft or.... umm.... nothing? Lol.

Either way, it's interesting and I've never seen adjustable DAC's on any consumer gear before.

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Filters on DACs are not uncommon, but nice option on a prepro.

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BTW... Smitty pointed out something that I missed.

I will update the first post, but there are two new things I found.

1. Only the A3030/CX-A5000 have the ability to apply VPS, or Virtual Presence Speakers...

2. Only the CX-A5000 has the DAC Filter Shape settings.

There are 3 settings,

Sharp Roll-off Type: Removes out-of-band noises by the filter with steep attenuation characteristics.
It has a tendency to produce clear sounds.

Slow Roll-off Type: Removes out-of-band noises by the filter with gentle attenuation characteristics.
It has a tendency to produce soft sounds.

Short Latency Type (default): Reduces the audio delay caused by the DAC internal digital filter. It has a tendency to produce responsive and rhythmical sounds.

I suspect the last/default just "bypasses" the filter (and after looking at the spec sheet, which lists only Fast and Slow filter settings, I think that's the case.)

The last couple of Pioneers I owned had the same feature, and it most assuredly made a difference in the sound.

Why it's not in the A3030 I don't know.
I think Yamaha just wants to create a reason for people to buy the 5000. In contrast, however, Pioneer Elite have been using those filters on their $1500 receivers since 2006 and virtual presence / virtual back / virtual width since at least 2009, also on their $1500 receivers. RSC-type of function since the early 2000.

Regardless, these are steps towards the right direction that makes me even considering Yamaha this year.

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I think Yamaha just wants to create a reason for people to buy the 5000. In contrast, however, Pioneer Elite have been using those filters on their $1500 receivers since 2006 and virtual presence / virtual back / virtual width since at least 2009, also on their $1500 receivers. RSC-type of function since the early 2000.

Regardless, these are steps towards the right direction that makes me even considering Yamaha this year.

David.. regarding the digital filter..

You are most assuredly an expert, but the D.FILTER setting wasn't introduced until the SC-5x series..

And on the SC-5x and 6x models, there were three choices, SHARP, SLOW and SHORT.. this year they are back to SLOW and SHARP... with SHARP being the default.

I've owned the SC-09, SC-27, SC-37, SC-57 and SC-67, so I remember stumbling across it when they added the functionality ...

A reviews of my manuals (I have a vast PDF library) confirms it. smile.gif

As it relates to the Yamaha and Pioneer comparisons, I have to say I am really just in love with the A3030... it is very articulate, and the surround field (on plain 5.1 and 7.1) is as good as I've had in a long time..

I ran a single seat YPAO, set the EQ to natural, and verified the SPL of the speakers.... all were spot on.

Really loving this.

In terms of usability, I also have to say that the Yamaha is so much more refined... I was thrilled when Pioneer finally added a rudimentary OSD overlay of volume and decoder mode (it is essentially a mirror of it's two line LCD front panel display...) But I'm such an info freak, so between the Yamaha app (and I will say the Pioneer iOS app is awesome,) the GUI and the IP/Web control it's really the best I've seen so far.

Some people who attended in open house recently at Pioneer USA in CA commented that MCACC may finally be getting an overhaul next year, and there will also be plenty of documentation about how all it's features work to accompany it.
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I stand corrected. You are correct. Only when they start using D3 digital amp they introduced the digital filter. That means only starting 2 years ago.

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David.. regarding the digital filter..

You are most assuredly an expert, but the D.FILTER setting wasn't introduced until the SC-5x series..

And on the SC-5x and 6x models, there were three choices, SHARP, SLOW and SHORT.. this year they are back to SLOW and SHARP... with SHARP being the default.

I've owned the SC-09, SC-27, SC-37, SC-57 and SC-67, so I remember stumbling across it when they added the functionality ...

A reviews of my manuals (I have a vast PDF library) confirms it. smile.gif

As it relates to the Yamaha and Pioneer comparisons, I have to say I am really just in love with the A3030... it is very articulate, and the surround field (on plain 5.1 and 7.1) is as good as I've had in a long time..

I ran a single seat YPAO, set the EQ to natural, and verified the SPL of the speakers.... all were spot on.

Really loving this.

In terms of usability, I also have to say that the Yamaha is so much more refined... I was thrilled when Pioneer finally added a rudimentary OSD overlay of volume and decoder mode (it is essentially a mirror of it's two line LCD front panel display...) But I'm such an info freak, so between the Yamaha app (and I will say the Pioneer iOS app is awesome,) the GUI and the IP/Web control it's really the best I've seen so far.

Some people who attended in open house recently at Pioneer USA in CA commented that MCACC may finally be getting an overhaul next year, and there will also be plenty of documentation about how all it's features work to accompany it.

How is the power of the 3030 compared to say the SC37 or 57?

Can you hear the difference?

I say this from two standpoints
A few years ago I replaced an Onkyo 875 with a Yamaha A3000
There was no question the Onkyo had more "brute" force...like a hammer...LOL

However..The yamaha was more refined and this was in a room where I preferred refinement over power

I have since replaced that A3000 with an SC37...then an SC57( which I didnt like at at all)....put the Sc37 back

To my ears...I hear more "power" in the Sc37 than I did in the Yamaha A3000

I also think the SC37 is "prettier"...but that is 100% subjective

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Woot! My CX-A5000 is here (at A&B TV) so I'm going to pick it up on the way home from work! biggrin.gif
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Cool, !! Let us know how this baby sounds!! I am looking at either this unit or the Marantz 8801 to replace my Yammie Z7 (currently using as my pre/pro with my Parasounds!)smile.gif
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Cool, !! Let us know how this baby sounds!! I am looking at either this unit or the Marantz 8801 to replace my Yammie Z7 (currently using as my pre/pro with my Parasounds!)smile.gif

I will once I get it hooked up (replacing a Z11), though that likely won't be till this weekend sometime. So far about all that I can say is that it powers up just fine; and the web interface for it appears to be the same as what FilmMixer described for his A3030 above (not surprisingly).
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Interesting. The new CX-A5000 seems to be very friendly prices here in Denmark, compared to what Yamaha normally charges:

CX-A5000: 3383$ - about same price as Onkyo 5509 (3187$), but also close to the price of the Marantz AV8801 at 4096$, which is the same price as Integra 80.3 processor here...

- If it was not for the Av8801 price being so close, I would 100% certain go for the Yammy :-)
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Wondering if this Yamaha set will beat my Pioneer SC-LX90 in detail and dynamics... huuummm
In power iam sure the Yamaha its not close, the Pioneer gives me 200watts per channel driving 5 channels.
I use Klipsch Reference speakers that work at 8oms, and i was wondering that in case i buy for example 2 yamaha powers if i can BI-amp and take 300 watts out of each channel...i mean, use one power for fronts and another for rears.
I wanted to do this with Denon AVP + POA before but then i bought the Pioneer.
Not sure either if we can compare this Yamaha $6000 set to Denon $20000 set, maybe i am being stupid here.
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Wondering if this Yamaha set will beat my Pioneer SC-LX90 in detail and dynamics... huuummm
In power iam sure the Yamaha its not close, the Pioneer gives me 200watts per channel driving 5 channels.
I use Klipsch Reference speakers that work at 8oms, and i was wondering i buy for example 2 yamaha powers if i can BI-amp and take 300 watts out of each channel...

Why would you not just buy a power amp (or two if you want all 11 channels) that has the power output you require? Seems that would be a more direct and simpler solution.
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Why would you not just buy a power amp (or two if you want all 11 channels) that has the power output you require? Seems that would be a more direct and simpler solution.

Does the power allows BI-AMP? So i can get double the power?

See my fear is to sell the Pioneer, buy this Yamaha Set (Pre and Power) and then cry because the Pioneer sounded better...
I am 100% into movies, not music...
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Wondering if this Yamaha set will beat my Pioneer SC-LX90 in detail and dynamics... huuummm
In power iam sure the Yamaha its not close, the Pioneer gives me 200watts per channel driving 5 channels.
I use Klipsch Reference speakers that work at 8oms, and i was wondering that in case i buy for example 2 yamaha powers if i can BI-amp and take 300 watts out of each channel...i mean, use one power for fronts and another for rears.
I wanted to do this with Denon AVP + POA before but then i bought the Pioneer.
Not sure either if we can compare this Yamaha $6000 set to Denon $20000 set, maybe i am being stupid here.

Also don't know if this is comparable to the Denon set AVP-A1HD + POA-A1HD.

To be honnest i was about to invest on a Krell Foundation or 1200U + S-1500, but this set called my atention...love the "GOLD" finish and it looks to have alot of quality in finish and connections.

Well the Krell S-1500 also has 150w per channel at 8ohms, but 150watts from Krell are maybe like 300 from my Susano...lol
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