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The real bummer is for folks that already have a CX/MX-A5000 and want Dolby Atmos!

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looking at the thread I guess I am in the wrong one, I swore I was in the right one. thanks for the reply

forget it, I am in the right thread for CX-A5000 and MX-A5000, the downer now is no Atmos and no firmware update for it either. Plus not having the XLR like you said. I think I am going to need to hold off till new stuff comes out.
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I just got my SVS ultra towers to go along with my PB13 ultra sub through my RX-A3030. Running YPAO, it set my towers as large as well as my centre, the four surrounds were set small. My question is, should I set the towers as small to fully get the optimal bass from the PB13?
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The real bummer is for folks that already have a CX/MX-A5000 and want Dolby Atmos!
Yeah really. Sure seems like it has DSP power to do it as firmware upgrade.

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Yeah really. Sure seems like it has DSP power to do it as firmware upgrade.
Some say it does and some say it doesnt. That would be a mighty big upgrade for free. Cant see it happening. Yamaha will want you to buy a different AVR.
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Some say it does and some say it doesnt. That would be a mighty big upgrade for free. Cant see it happening. Yamaha will want you to buy a different AVR.
It nearly every other case, I'd agree with you. But this is their still current flagship pre/pro. Yamaha has kept nice incentives to flagship owners over the years with upgrades (when possible).

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I just got my SVS ultra towers to go along with my PB13 ultra sub through my RX-A3030. Running YPAO, it set my towers as large as well as my centre, the four surrounds were set small. My question is, should I set the towers as small to fully get the optimal bass from the PB13?
Yes.
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Hi guys,
I just bought a rxa3030 and I'm using the preamp outputs to connect to a mcintosh 5 channel amplifier. I'm trying to find information all over to see whether I will hear any sort of improvement in sound if I go to the cxa5000? Besides the xlr, will I hear much difference in sound ? THE Price I Got rxa3030 was spectacular but recently I've located a local person selling a cxa5000 for a good price but it's still about 800 dollars more than what I paid for this unit .
I'd love to know your opinion. .
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Did a bit of experimenting yesterday with the SVS Ultra towers and the PB13 Ultra sub. We watched a few scenes from Gravity and Contact and switched back and forth between large and small. The system sounds more immersive with the towers set to large. If I keep it set at large, can I still control the cross over from the towers to the sub? If so, what's the optimal range?
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I just got my SVS ultra towers to go along with my PB13 ultra sub through my RX-A3030. Running YPAO, it set my towers as large as well as my centre, the four surrounds were set small. My question is, should I set the towers as small to fully get the optimal bass from the PB13?
Unless your towers can go as deep in frequency with the same or better output as your sub, you're better off manually changing the towers to small & allowing the sub to handle all LFE.
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Did a bit of experimenting yesterday with the SVS Ultra towers and the PB13 Ultra sub. We watched a few scenes from Gravity and Contact and switched back and forth between large and small. The system sounds more immersive with the towers set to large. If I keep it set at large, can I still control the cross over from the towers to the sub? If so, what's the optimal range?
OK. You can forget my previous post.

I'm pretty sure that for any speakers kept as large all LFE for that channel will go to the speakers, not the sub. So in essence, no crossover exists.
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Did a bit of experimenting yesterday with the SVS Ultra towers and the PB13 Ultra sub. We watched a few scenes from Gravity and Contact and switched back and forth between large and small. The system sounds more immersive with the towers set to large. If I keep it set at large, can I still control the cross over from the towers to the sub? If so, what's the optimal range?
No, if the towers are set to large, ALL the bass in the L & R channel is going to the tower.

But at the end of the day, you paid for the system and should set it up the way you like it! It may be that the bass response at your seated position is not ideal, so moving your sub could help. Or it may be that you just like more bass, and that's okay, play your speakers large.

Unless there was an error with YPAO or poor placement of your sub in relation to your chair, running the mains "small", and setting the crossover on the sub itself to (bypass), should yield the most accurate response. But you'll note I use the word "accurate" and not "immersive".

How big is your room? Open to what?

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Unless your towers can go as deep in frequency with the same or better output as your sub, you're better off manually changing the towers to small & allowing the sub to handle all LFE.
Agreed. All LFE and the re-directed bass.

And: This can also help improve overall output, since the receiver power is not used reproducting low bass tones, which are shuttled off to the sub.
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OK. You can forget my previous post.

I'm pretty sure that for any speakers kept as large all LFE for that channel will go to the speakers, not the sub. So in essence, no crossover exists.
This isnt exactly true. With speakers set to Large the LFE channel will still go to the sub and the crossover will still be in effect. The crossover will still keep anything above it from going to the sub. So with xover at 80Hz the speakers will get a full signal and the sub will get everything 80 and below. This is assuming you have "Extra Bass" On.
Just a note. Most music is 2.0 and doesnt contain an LFE channel.

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Did a bit of experimenting yesterday with the SVS Ultra towers and the PB13 Ultra sub. We watched a few scenes from Gravity and Contact and switched back and forth between large and small. The system sounds more immersive with the towers set to large. If I keep it set at large, can I still control the cross over from the towers to the sub? If so, what's the optimal range?
Make sure you have "Extra Bass" On when youre switching between large and small. Other wise youre just turning the sub on and off.
Youve got some very nice speakers and sub. I would still set the fronts to small when watching LFE content. With 2.0 music you may find you like them set to large better. Experiment and use what you like best.
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Make sure you have "Extra Bass" On when youre switching between large and small. Other wise youre just turning the sub on and off.
Youve got some very nice speakers and sub. I would still set the fronts to small when watching LFE content. With 2.0 music you may find you like them set to large better. Experiment and use what you like best.
With my system my front and surround speakers are Definitive Technology BP8080STs with a low frequency response to 18Hz. My subs are two Definitive Technology Trinity Signatures with a low frequency response to 10Hz. My preferred setting has been to have the BP8080STs at large and enable the "Extra Bass" setting (I've been assuming that this causes the low frequencies to be routed to both the main speakers and the subs, is that so?).

My center speaker is a CS-8080HD which has a built-in powered subwoofer (resp to 20 Hz) that my CX-A5000 identified as large also. However with it, I found I needed to set it to small (and crossover it over at 40Hz) to keep from overdriving its smallish woofer (5"x10") during some movie passages.

Other than that, I never have changed these settings. I like what I hear, and that's what matters most!
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Thanks for the replies/advice folks. My viewing room is large and my sub will need to be moved around to try and find a sweeter spot. We don't have the luxury of resetting our furniture to accommodate the ideal sub/speaker set up, so a compromise will have to be made.

The system sounds great as is, and based on our neighbours comments about being able to 'feel' the pod launch scene in Contact from their home (30' of greenspace between our homes), I doubt very much that I have any real issues that cannot be dealt with.... Does anyone else here feel slightly uneasy about disrupting their neighbours?!?
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This isnt exactly true. With speakers set to Large the LFE channel will still go to the sub and the crossover will still be in effect. The crossover will still keep anything above it from going to the sub. So with xover at 80Hz the speakers will get a full signal and the sub will get everything 80 and below. This is assuming you have "Extra Bass" On.
Just a note. Most music is 2.0 and doesnt contain an LFE channel.
This is what I was hoping for, I'll play around a bit more tonight and see how the cross over settings affect the towers/sub.

Like it's been stated, the placement of the sub will be the key in optimizing the LFE output. I'll have to break my back tonight shuffling this monster around.
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This is what I was hoping for, I'll play around a bit more tonight and see how the cross over settings affect the towers/sub.

Like it's been stated, the placement of the sub will be the key in optimizing the LFE output. I'll have to break my back tonight shuffling this monster around.
You only need to shuffle twice:

Once, to put it in your seat.

Second time, to put it where the Subwoofer Crawl gave you the best sound.

Search for Subwoofer Crawl or just Sub Crawl if this is a new concept. It's not a perfect system but it's MUCH BETTER than moving the sub around to multiple spots!
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Sorry for not going through all the earlier posts, but can someone tell if there will be a CX-A5000 successor with Atmos sooner rather than later? If so, will it sport more than 11 channels?

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I posted this already some weeks ago. I called the German Yamha Support line with the same question and the guy I had on the phone told me that officially the statement is:"No comment at this moment".
He told me inofficislly that I should go to this years IFA as my question will be answered there!
I assume that Yamaha will announce something at the time of the IFA as CEDIA is also moreor less in parallel.
As I am planning to go to the IFA I will keep you updated.
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I'm going to keep my money and wait till the new product is released with Atmos. I want to do it right one time since this is really only my third stereo system and 2nd Home Theater setup.

thanks for all the replies/updates
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