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post #3301 of 3313 Old 11-20-2014, 01:18 AM
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What is the per channels watts for "all channels driven" for the rx-a1030 ?
I searched the thread but could not find anything on it.

Have to search for the lab test of an older model x010 I think. If not mistaken the a3010 or a3020 runs at 55-65wpc all driven.

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Hello to all,

I live in the UK and have a 3030

Analogue by-pass

I have it packed up at the moment and was going to sell it, but I aim to give it one more try.

I am wondering if I was doing something wrong because I was never convinced I was getting a true analogue by-pass with this receiver.

I love all the bells and whistles, did not like the amps so used external BUT decent two channel is still important.

So to clarify my waffle, what inputs/and settings should I be using to achieve "true" analogue by-pass (my source is an Oppo 93 Audiocom Signature.

Thanks in advance
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^ "Pure Direct" mode is what you want. There's a dedicated button on the remote, and also on the front panel of the unit.

In Pure Direct mode any analog inputs are sent straight to the output section. Digital inputs go straight to the DACs if they are in a supported format (PCM or DSD), but encoded bitstreams obviously still have to be decoded by the DSP.

On previous models Pure Direct disabled the video output as well (to avoid any potential signal interference), but now this is a menu option.

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Hello to all,

I live in the UK and have a 3030

Analogue by-pass

I have it packed up at the moment and was going to sell it, but I aim to give it one more try.

I am wondering if I was doing something wrong because I was never convinced I was getting a true analogue by-pass with this receiver.

I love all the bells and whistles, did not like the amps so used external BUT decent two channel is still important.

So to clarify my waffle, what inputs/and settings should I be using to achieve "true" analogue by-pass (my source is an Oppo 93 Audiocom Signature.

Thanks in advance

You will want to use the multichannel analog outputs on the oppo to the analog multichannel inputs on the yamaha and set the oppo to LPCM decoding. I have an oppo BDP-95 hooked up this way and the only thing the yamaha does with this input is volume control.

For the video portion, connect the HDMI output of the oppo to any HDMI input on the Yamaha and on the multichannel input settings menu on the yamaha assign that av input as your video source.

Hope this helps

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^ "Pure Direct" mode is what you want. There's a dedicated button on the remote, and also on the front panel of the unit.

In Pure Direct mode any analog inputs are sent straight to the output section. Digital inputs go straight to the DACs if they are in a supported format (PCM or DSD), but encoded bitstreams obviously still have to be decoded by the DSP.

On previous models Pure Direct disabled the video output as well (to avoid any potential signal interference), but now this is a menu option.

First thanks for taking the time to reply.

Is the above a "generic" diagram?

In theory I get the above, but I do not believe this is happening (or intended) for "all" 2 channel analogue inputs. If it does it gives them the same effect as the 7.1 analog ins on the receiver.

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You will want to use the multichannel analog outputs on the oppo to the analog multichannel inputs on the yamaha and set the oppo to LPCM decoding. I have an oppo BDP-95 hooked up this way and the only thing the yamaha does with this input is volume control.

For the video portion, connect the HDMI output of the oppo to any HDMI input on the Yamaha and on the multichannel input settings menu on the yamaha assign that av input as your video source.

Hope this helps
Ok, now above is exactly what I did previously and would expect that to be true bypass with only the volume pot in the chain.

So as I mentioned two channel being very important, when playing CD's in the modified Oppo the analog out is obviously going into the left/right of the 7.1 inputs and will have just the volume pot in the way (useful I guess)

With same set up into my Arcam AV9 everything sounds wonderful, as I would expect (or hope) for a £2k modified spinner.

But the same set up with the Yamaha is very different and not so pleasant.

The "ONLY" difference I can see is the volume pots on the two units??

Can a volume pot have such effect to degrade?
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Once you enable Pure Direct mode, the two channel analog inputs should follow the same path as the multi-channel inputs.

In both cases the volume is handled by an 8-channel volume control IC (that also includes tone controls for the front channels). I've never heard anyone claim that it degrades the sound noticably.
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I LOVE the sound of Pure Direct on my A5000 - compared to regular straight, it is a night/day difference for music.
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I LOVE the sound of Pure Direct on my A5000 - compared to regular straight, it is a night/day difference for music.
I concur, I run a Music Hall MMF 7.1 turntable through a Project Phono Box RS and then into my XLR jacks on my CX-A5000 and switching between straight, stereo, and Pure Direct, the later is not only noticeably different but dramatically different. Digital sources have a minor change in sound switching between the three.


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I concur, I run a Music Hall MMF 7.1 turntable through a Project Phono Box RS and then into my XLR jacks on my CX-A5000 and switching between straight, stereo, and Pure Direct, the later is not only noticeably different but dramatically different. Digital sources have a minor change in sound switching between the three.


I suspect the different is due to YPAO on non-pure straight - I do not know, if Pure Direct also disables "DAC rolloff settings"
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I just bought a bunch of Klipsch speakers which are en route

RF-52 II x 2
RC-52 II
RS-42 II x 4

I am debating if I want to get the RX-A740 or the RX-A1030

They are pretty close in price right now. I don't do 4k, the room is only about 250 sq ft and I won't be anywhere close to full power. I didnt even order a sub.

Is there any reason I should go for the 1030 over the 740?
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How do owners of 1030 like it for regular 2 channel music performance ? How is it with pure direct on and digital input ?
Trying to get some idea of how would it compare to a stereo power amp with equivalent wattage from say rotel or marantz...
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Tmcc, if the price is close, I would definitely go 1030. I was going to buy the 830, but found the 2000 for a similar price used. I am so glad i got the 2000. The higher quality should make a small improvement on the sound, and you get more features. You might not need it now, but you will certainly not regret going bigger if you find a need for one of those features later.
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