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Hi guys,

Wol here, long time creeper, first time poster.

Current owner of paradigm v6 monitor 7s, cc290, adp 190s and a DSP 3100. I currently have an rxv1900, fronts are 'bi-amped' using surround back. I would like to keep this setup, I understand the 1030 and 2030 support this.

I don't care for additional zones, presence or 9.2. Looking a the power supplies, weight, thd and price point, would I be correct to assume the 2030 is the direct replacement for the 1900?

I see a wattage drop on the 1030, and would need a 2030 to 'match' the wattage.

What are your thoughts?
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There's no direct replacement for the 1900 since they introduced the A series, but I agree that the 1900 is closer to the 2030 than the 1030. If I were planning to replace my 1800 I would go for the 2030 rather than the 1030.
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If I follow the evolution, per say...would you agree it went 1900 3900, 1065 2065, then introduction of the Aventage series?

775 became todays 1075, and the rxv 865 (topart model under the 1900) would be the 1030?

Am I crazy? Its getting late....
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The CX-A5000 is almost perfect but is a crime to not put XLR out's for the LFE. Wtf?

Still..... I want!

Yes WTF??
One more tick on Down list when comparing with Marantz AV8801.
Anyone knows if the CX5000 calibrates subwoofer channels seperately?
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Anyone knows if the CX5000 calibrates subwoofer channels seperately?

Yes it does.
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If I follow the evolution, per say...would you agree it went 1900 3900, 1065 2065, then introduction of the Aventage series?

775 became todays 1075, and the rxv 865 (topart model under the 1900) would be the 1030?

One factor is that the 1900 was a two DSP design, as is the 2030, while the 1030 only has one. With one DSP there are certain restrictions about which DSP modes can be used if you're also decoding an HD bitstream. Limited processing power may also be why they removed EQ for the sub on the 1030, but the 1900 does EQ the sub (as does the 2030).

So in terms of power (both watts and processing power) I'd say the 1900 is above the 1030 and pretty close to the 2030.
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New review of the CX-A5000 and MX-A5000 ...

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news/article/yamaha-cx-a5000-mx-a5000-review/17622/

I wonder if the reviewer tried all of the DAC filters. It is my opinion that this processor cannot judged for music without giving the "Slow Roll Off" filter a try.

Nice review either way.
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What are the differences between the 2030 and 1030? What I can gather is that the 2030 have higher wattage, multi zone features, better remote, more dsp soundfields, high resolution music enhancer (whatever that is), video adjustment, zone gui and about 4 lbs heavier smile.gif. Not sure where the sub eq came from as I can't seem to find that. I'm still trying to figure out which unit to get. The sub eq would push me to the 2030, if true.

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Hi the spotify upgrade is a real disappointment , you might as well just push via airplay directly to 3030 via the free version , all you get is the spotify icon, pandora gives all the track info and stations, and what's up with only been able to push to it,and no steaming 1star
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Hi the spotify upgrade is a real disappointment , you might as well just push via airplay via the free version , all you get is the spotify icon, pandora gives unpublished all the track info and stations, and what's up with only been able to push to it, 1 star
The firmware upgrade is a disappointment but has caused you no problems?

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Thanks for the link to the new review. His statement about angle measurements being absolutely crucial beared more qualifying, but it was helpful nonetheless.

BB's head Magnolia guy was there during my visit. The open box buys were long gone, so I didn't walk out with anything other than a handful of Blu-rays. He also said the 3030 level was special order only. But I got to audition the 2030, and A/B it with a Marantz 7007, as the 7008 is the other top runner on my short list. Looping a passage of Transformers 3, I was virtually astonished at the magnitude of difference between the two. Of course there was no EQ correction applied to either unit, but otherwise they assured me they were setup equally, as it almost sounded like the demo had been rigged in Yamaha's favor. It was much more articulate than the Marantz. The Yamaha did oddly have a very forward soundstage, with an over-emphasis on dialogue. I even wondered if surrounds were connected, until switching to the Marantz where the surrounds were more prominent, but the whole soundstage had become muddy through the Marantz. The difference was on the same level, if not more profound, than switching Audyssey on and off through our Denon the other night. There was very little low end in the room; the only sub I even saw looked like it was really tiny, like that from a soundbar or box HT system.

I did sample Yamaha's Spectacle DSP while I was there, but not for long. It was obvious the room wasn't set up to really show any benefit there. If I'm wrong, I didn't care for it at all.

Honestly, while I demoed both AVRs through a set of towers that seemed to best match my own speakers, I wasn't at all impressed with the sound setup of the room - no wonder so many people seem content with soundbars these days. But I was encouraged to hear that they get fewer Yamaha returns than any other brand, referencing the products sold inside Magnolia alone, not others in the store. And if the Yamaha sounds that much more articulate than the Marantz before EQ, I'm more encouraged that I won't regret giving up Audyssey, even though I doubt it was a fair comparison - I didn't expect such a sizeable difference between two quality lines; had the comparison been against a Sony, Panasonic, or something, sure. But, not two AVRs of the build and reputation of these.

Out of curiosity, I felt the top of all the top rack models while I was there. The Yamaha didn't feel any cooler than the Marantz or Denon, though the later too are known to run a bit warm from what I've read - both felt warmer than my 3808 gets after hours of gaming, for that matter. The Pioneer on the other hand was almost cold by comparison. They only had about 3 inches of clearance for each though, which the rack I built would allow at least 8 inches above the Yamaha, and at least a foot on every side, so I suspect it'll run cooler. I didn't get to BB til about 1pm, and got the impression I was their first customer of the day though, so the Pioneer's seeming coolness might have been related to not being used at all that day, as I didn't demo it, though I only spent maybe 20 minutes combined actually listening to the Marantz and Yamaha.
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Thanks. Thats good to know. I guess you downloaded that recently? Please let us know if update causes any issues elsewhere. Sometimes issues dont show up until you use the AVR for a while. Know what I mean?

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Thanks. Thats good to know. I guess you downloaded that recently? Please let us know if update causes any issues elsewhere. Sometimes issues dont show up until you use the AVR for a while. Know what I mean?

As a data point, I downloaded the new firmware (over the network) to my 1030, 2030, 3030, and 5000 with no problems. Took about 20 mins each or so, but worked like a charm. My equipment has been running fine for almost a week now. I can't say anything regarding Spotify though, since I don't use it.
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As a data point, I downloaded the new firmware (over the network) to my 1030, 2030, 3030, and 5000 with no problems. Took about 20 mins each or so, but worked like a charm. My equipment has been running fine for almost a week now. I can't say anything regarding Spotify though, since I don't use it.
Thank you, sir. Exactly the kind of info I was looking for. I dont care about Spotify I just dont want to update to a firmware version that causes problems elsewhere.

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Thanks for the link to the new review. His statement about angle measurements being absolutely crucial beared more qualifying, but it was helpful nonetheless.

It was much more articulate than the Marantz. The Yamaha did oddly have a very forward soundstage, with an over-emphasis on dialogue. I even wondered if surrounds were connected, until switching to the Marantz where the surrounds were more prominent, but the whole soundstage had become muddy through the Marantz. The difference was on the same level, if not more profound, than switching Audyssey on and off through our Denon the other night.

I ran the angle portion of YPAO in my setup as my surrounds are very high, but I cannot give you a response if the sound changes much when not running the angles. I also used all 8 mic positions in the YPAO setup as well.

I listened to a bunch of music bypassing YPAO (Pure Direct) the other night and enjoyed it very much, though I do prefer YPAO Flat. YPAO did a nice job on my room as did Audyssey XT32 on my Onkyo.

In reference to your observation on the surrounds...

I noticed the same thing as you, yes the surrounds seem quieter, but they also seem more atmospheric to me. Yes the Yamaha does seem forward and focuses more on the front speakers, but so does a movie theater. Believe me, when the right scene is on, you will see how well the surrounds work and are incorporated. With my Onkyo and Denon (and this is not a dig on them as I enjoyed them both) I would sometimes get the feeling that the surrounds were playing ambient noises much louder than needed, and when that changes, it is extremely noticeable. I spent quite a bit of time second guessing this, but it feels just right with the Yamaha. I notice the ambiance more and the speaker less. Of course this is all subjective.

I also don't think that there is an over emphasis on dialog. Maybe they had the dialog enhancer on.

Having said this, I would still love to hear a Marantz 8801 in my room. As much as I love this Yamaha, I still wonder about the Marantz.

I feel I made the right choice though and am happy my dealer gave me the good advice on the Yamaha. Because of my prior experiences with Yamaha, I would not have given it the chance as I always felt they were a little too bright/harsh for my taste. (Slow Roll Off on the DAC Filter changed my opinion btw)

Even if you look at my prior post in this thread, you can sense the hesitancy/frustration I had.

Having lived with the Yamaha now for a few weeks, I am real happy.

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I have had my CX-A5000 going for a good 6 or so weeks now, and I must say I am extremely happy.

Background: Originally I had a Cary 11a processor with a standalone Audyssey EQ box. I'm still using the same amplifier, Cary 7.125. It is a 5.2 system. While it is a dedicated, treated, theatre room it is not large and I only use it for movies/TV. I had always heard that Yamaha's were very good for movies, so was one of the reasons I bought.

My observations:
- I had a lot of HDMI issues when I first got my Cary. I have not had any with the Yamaha.
- I ran the YPAO set up, and use the YPAO flat setting. The distances and levels all seem to work. (I'm no audiophile!) I initially ran it using 4 points, but I re-ran using a single point (my seat smile.gif ) and I preferred those settings.
- I did not buy this for the DSP's, but I have found them to be excellent and now use them all the time.
- I have also done the f/w upgrade, even though I don't use spotify, and the process worked well. A week later of solid use, no issues have popped up!
- Finally and most importantly, I have been thoroughly impressed with the sound. I find the sound more engaging and enveloping than my previous set up. The steering of surround effects is better, and I also feel the bass is better.

Anyway, that's my 2c........
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If I follow the evolution, per say...would you agree it went 1900 3900, 1065 2065, then introduction of the Aventage series?

775 became todays 1075, and the rxv 865 (topart model under the 1900) would be the 1030?

Am I crazy? Its getting late....
No, I would say that the RX-V1900 & 3900 were far superior to the '1065 & '2065.
I used to own the '1900 and it was a great AVR with a robust amp section (the 1065 & 2065 have much weaker amp sections despite their ratings IMO...).
The AVENTAGE series restored the better amps and better musicality to the line, and if I were you I'd go with the RX-A2030.
You might even consider the new CX-A5000 surround processor and mate it with a monster amp (like I did) and never ever clip again! wink.gif
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Anyway, that's my 2c........

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You might even consider the new CX-A5000 surround processor and mate it with a monster amp (like I did) and never ever clip again! wink.gif

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Here is a recent reply I received when asking Yamaha that question:

Thanks for your email. The CX-A5000 actually has discrete subwoofer outputs, so the unit essentially treats them as 2 separate speakers. When running YPAO, it will calibrate each subwoofer independently, adjusting it's volume, and generating an EQ curve for each one.

That said, very little content (movies or music) will actually have 2 subwoofer tracks, so they will play the same sound the majority of the time in practice.

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Here is a recent reply I received when asking Yamaha that question:

Thanks for your email. The CX-A5000 actually has discrete subwoofer outputs, so the unit essentially treats them as 2 separate speakers. When running YPAO, it will calibrate each subwoofer independently, adjusting it's volume, and generating an EQ curve for each one.

That said, very little content (movies or music) will actually have 2 subwoofer tracks, so they will play the same sound the majority of the time in practice.

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That's true, but since you can set them up as 'Left & Right' subwoofers, they'll take a movie's (mono) LFE track, but remember that they'll also be getting independent L & R low frequency signals from the speaker channels you've set to 'Small' - so part of the signals they'll be reproducing will indeed be 'channel discrete'.
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I ran the angle portion of YPAO in my setup as my surrounds are very high, but I cannot give you a response if the sound changes much when not running the angles. I also used all 8 mic positions in the YPAO setup as well.

I listened to a bunch of music bypassing YPAO (Pure Direct) the other night and enjoyed it very much, though I do prefer YPAO Flat. YPAO did a nice job on my room as did Audyssey XT32 on my Onkyo.

In reference to your observation on the surrounds...

I noticed the same thing as you, yes the surrounds seem quieter, but they also seem more atmospheric to me. Yes the Yamaha does seem forward and focuses more on the front speakers, but so does a movie theater. Believe me, when the right scene is on, you will see how well the surrounds work and are incorporated. With my Onkyo and Denon (and this is not a dig on them as I enjoyed them both) I would sometimes get the feeling that the surrounds were playing ambient noises much louder than needed, and when that changes, it is extremely noticeable. I spent quite a bit of time second guessing this, but it feels just right with the Yamaha. I notice the ambiance more and the speaker less. Of course this is all subjective.

I also don't think that there is an over emphasis on dialog. Maybe they had the dialog enhancer on.

Having said this, I would still love to hear a Marantz 8801 in my room. As much as I love this Yamaha, I still wonder about the Marantz.

I feel I made the right choice though and am happy my dealer gave me the good advice on the Yamaha. Because of my prior experiences with Yamaha, I would not have given it the chance as I always felt they were a little too bright/harsh for my taste. (Slow Roll Off on the DAC Filter changed my opinion btw)

Even if you look at my prior post in this thread, you can sense the hesitancy/frustration I had.

Having lived with the Yamaha now for a few weeks, I am real happy.

Thanks for sharing that. I remember Yamaha getting criticized for being overly harsh/bright in the past myself, which is one reason I never seriously considered them before. I've disliked the sound of a lot of Sony products for that reason. Fortunately, my Yamaha demo experience wasn't remotely uncomfortable: harshness is almost grating to me, like nails on a chalkboard. The Yamaha had a very pleasing tonality. But most of the demo was probably as much as 5-10 dbs below the levels I normally listen at.

I'm of the mind that surround ambience should be a byproduct of speaker design and/or positioning. So, if Yamaha is modifying their output in some way, even in their straight signal processing, to do what my dipole speakers and optimal speaker placement already do, I'm not sure I'll regard it as a good thing. I assume boosting the surround levels will correct it, if that's the case. We'll see. Cinema lost it's forward focus (at least with action films) as mixing gravitated away from dolby surround to AC3 and on, and theaters slowly upgraded their systems. A proper soundstage should sound more balanced than what I heard. Not drawing your attention to the speakers themselves is for speaker design and proper placement, not for the manufacturer to take it upon themselves to compensate for inexperienced installation, maybe with a DSP, but not with straight signal processing. It's been a while since I watched Transformers all the way through, but, generally speaking, in an action movie like Transformers 3 every scene is "the right scene", either expressing enveloping ambiance or more attention getting directionality.

Even though the guy who demoed the units for me is supposedly the head of the dept and had at least some role in hooking everything up himself, based on our discussion, it's possible there was some dialogue enhancement engaged that he failed to mention or forgot about. If so, it was the best dialogue enhancement I've ever heard - as such often either over-emphasizes upper frequencies or aren't really all that effective.

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Here is a recent reply I received when asking Yamaha that question:

Thanks for your email. The CX-A5000 actually has discrete subwoofer outputs, so the unit essentially treats them as 2 separate speakers. When running YPAO, it will calibrate each subwoofer independently, adjusting it's volume, and generating an EQ curve for each one.

That said, very little content (movies or music) will actually have 2 subwoofer tracks, so they will play the same sound the majority of the time in practice.

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The Yamaha Customer Support Team

Sounds a bit like the kind of answer you'd expect from some farmed out customer support in India or something, where the tech might have even had to research "subwoofer" first to know what one is. It's encouraging if the bolded part is actually accurate, but the rest of the answer doesn't inspire confidence. Not that dual sub calibration is a criteria for me anymore, just saying...

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Talking about subs, I just finished 2 DIY Rythmik subs to go with my CX-A5000 and I am really happy with the results. I plan on spending the weekend setting them up with YPAO and since I have limited areas to place them may have to use a couple of Antimode 8033 S-IIs to knock some nasty room peaks down.




All said the CX-A5000 is the best pre-pro I have owned and anyone who purchased one would not be disappointed.smile.gif

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Hi guys, is anybody having an issue with the auto-shutoff on their sub not shutting off? I have an adventage 730 and have the problem that the sub shuts off fine if not connected to the Yamaha. I have tried shielded and regular audio cables, switched between the 2 sub outs, and even disconnected the AC power from the Yamaha, but as long as the interconnect is plugged into the receiver, the sub will power off automatically for a "split" second and then come back on.
Has anybody experienced this with the higher-end models? Not enough postings on the 730/830 forum, so I thought I'd have a larger base here.
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Hello guys.

Just a few thinks I feel like talking about. (it could get a bit techy but some will know what I'm talking about)

So, I stepped up from a NAD T765 to the Yamaha 3030 2 weeks ago. Man what an upgrade that is! I love the sound now.
I have a messy speaker setup with a few different brand speakers. I'm going to get Goldenear speakers for all channels in the future, but for now I stick with my budget stuff.
Currently I have the following:
Fronts: 2x Yamaha NS-555
Center: Polk Audio CS10
Surrounds & Backs: These are speakers of a Creative 7.1 surround set (Gigaworks S750) for the PC. I believe they were made by Cambridge Audio. They do a surprisingly adequate job, but an upgrade is required with the new receiver :P.
Subwoofer: Klipsh Synergy Sub-10

The 3030 handles this random speaker setup quite well in my opinion, though I will most likely upgrade the speakers in the future.

The upgrade I'm considering is a Goldenear combination: 2x Triton Seven, 4x SuperSat 3 and a Forcefield 4 sub. The center is not going to fit in my setup space.

Back to the 3030 receiver:
I'm just wondering what people think about the Enhancer feature. I have it on with everything, as I find it adds more clarity and dynamics to music and sound.
I have the 3030 connected to my PC (using an nVidia GTX 670). The effect of the enhancer is only audible on everything else then PCM though. PCM remains unchanged.
Though I do wonder why I can hear a (positive) change when playing LOSSLESS formats like DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD. Isn't the enhancer supposed to improve lossy formats only?
I won't be disabling the enhancer anyway because it certainly improves the audio in my opinion, but I want to hear other opinions.

I use Aimp3 for music playing (in wasapi mode), which outputs 7.1 pcm. It sounds great, so I'm happy with it.

However there is 1 annoying issue in the setup I have now.
The HDMI connection order is as follows: PC -> Receiver -> Samsung F8500 plasma.
I usually have the PC on at all times. If I then turn on the receiver it works fine, but as soon as I turn on my TV, the PC will lose sound. I have to restart the graphic driver by relogging in Windows (7).
Then it works again, until I turn off the TV. Then the PC sound is gone again. Relogging fixes it.
I've looked around on the internet and it seems this is a regularly occurring problem. Appearently the EDID stream gets interrupted when the TV turns on/off, causing the nVidia drivers to freak out.
I've ordered a device called "HDmi Detective Plus" by Gefen to counter this, because it seems nVidia doesn't care about this problem and won't fix their drivers.
I just wanted to ask if there is anyone else that has this problem and maybe fixed it in another way?

If anyone has any questions about the things I mentioned, feel free to ask! smile.gif
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All going well, I will be testing the CX-A5000 against the AV8801 tomorrow.
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All going well, I will be testing the CX-A5000 against the AV8801 tomorrow.

Interesting. How will you be comparing them?

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Interesting. How will you be comparing them?

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