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I have the 3030 connected to my PC (using an nVidia GTX 670). The effect of the enhancer is only audible on everything else then PCM though. PCM remains unchanged.
Though I do wonder why I can hear a (positive) change when playing LOSSLESS formats like DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD. Isn't the enhancer supposed to improve lossy formats only?

I don't know about the 3030, but it's not uncommon for certain AVR processing features to not be available for PCM signals. I never have understood the logic behind such design limitations in mid to high end components, expecially with all the PCM audio out there, between CDs and early BDs, not to mention certain BD features requiring decoding at the player, which results in the signal being PCM by the time it gets to the AVR too. I wouldn't think lossy audio to have anything to do with it though, outside of select pure/direct modes intended to bypass any processing altogether, for those rare systems designed and built from the ground up. And I rather doubt even such wouldn't benefit from some correction, even if designed for only a very narrow listening purpose, movies or music only.

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All going well, I will be testing the CX-A5000 against the AV8801 tomorrow.

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Hello guys.

Just a few thinks I feel like talking about. (it could get a bit techy but some will know what I'm talking about)

So, I stepped up from a NAD T765 to the Yamaha 3030 2 weeks ago. Man what an upgrade that is! I love the sound now.
I have a messy speaker setup with a few different brand speakers. I'm going to get Goldenear speakers for all channels in the future, but for now I stick with my budget stuff.
Currently I have the following:
Fronts: 2x Yamaha NS-555
Center: Polk Audio CS10
Surrounds & Backs: These are speakers of a Creative 7.1 surround set (Gigaworks S750) for the PC. I believe they were made by Cambridge Audio. They do a surprisingly adequate job, but an upgrade is required with the new receiver :P.
Subwoofer: Klipsh Synergy Sub-10

The 3030 handles this random speaker setup quite well in my opinion, though I will most likely upgrade the speakers in the future.

The upgrade I'm considering is a Goldenear combination: 2x Triton Seven, 4x SuperSat 3 and a Forcefield 4 sub. The center is not going to fit in my setup space.

Back to the 3030 receiver:
I'm just wondering what people think about the Enhancer feature. I have it on with everything, as I find it adds more clarity and dynamics to music and sound.
I have the 3030 connected to my PC (using an nVidia GTX 670). The effect of the enhancer is only audible on everything else then PCM though. PCM remains unchanged.
Though I do wonder why I can hear a (positive) change when playing LOSSLESS formats like DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD. Isn't the enhancer supposed to improve lossy formats only?
I won't be disabling the enhancer anyway because it certainly improves the audio in my opinion, but I want to hear other opinions.

I use Aimp3 for music playing (in wasapi mode), which outputs 7.1 pcm. It sounds great, so I'm happy with it.

However there is 1 annoying issue in the setup I have now.
The HDMI connection order is as follows: PC -> Receiver -> Samsung F8500 plasma.
I usually have the PC on at all times. If I then turn on the receiver it works fine, but as soon as I turn on my TV, the PC will lose sound. I have to restart the graphic driver by relogging in Windows (7).
Then it works again, until I turn off the TV. Then the PC sound is gone again. Relogging fixes it.
I've looked around on the internet and it seems this is a regularly occurring problem. Appearently the EDID stream gets interrupted when the TV turns on/off, causing the nVidia drivers to freak out.
I've ordered a device called "HDmi Detective Plus" by Gefen to counter this, because it seems nVidia doesn't care about this problem and won't fix their drivers.
I just wanted to ask if there is anyone else that has this problem and maybe fixed it in another way?

If anyone has any questions about the things I mentioned, feel free to ask! smile.gif

I just did the firmware upgrade to my new 3030 with no issues to note at this time. I did the free Spotify app on my iphone, the 3030 was instantly found, and I am using my phone to select music, and controling volume on the receiver as well...sweet. Every time I can spend some time alone with the 3030, I am discovering something new and fun. It wouldn't let me listen to the highest quality..320...I quess you have to pay for that??? I have been doing a little music, then back to TV listening through the receiver. I have been using the enhancer also. It's a nice improvment. I'll have to check again, but I beleive I was using it with DTS HD Master Blu-Ray last night, and like the response very much

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I just did the firmware upgrade to my new 3030 with no issues to note at this time. I did the free Spotify app on my iphone, the 3030 was instantly found, and I am using my phone to select music, and controling volume on the receiver as well...sweet. Every time I can spend some time alone with the 3030, I am discovering something new and fun. It wouldn't let me listen to the highest quality..320...I quess you have to pay for that??? I have been doing a little music, then back to TV listening through the receiver. I have been using the enhancer also. It's a nice improvment. I'll have to check again, but I beleive I was using it with DTS HD Master Blu-Ray last night, and like the response very much
How would you compare Spotify to Pandora?
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How would you compare Spotify to Pandora?

I prefer Spotify to Pandora. I have the premium account and the audio is superior at 320k vs Pandora. Also the fact you can listen to any album as it was recorded by the artist. I don't think Pandora lets you do that? Just listened to the newest Lyle Lovett album err stream yesterday and it was great - not even really a fan of his.

Now back to trying to decide if I should upgrade my RX-A2010 to the 3030 or CX-A5000?
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I prefer Spotify to Pandora. I have the premium account and the audio is superior at 320k vs Pandora. Also the fact you can listen to any album as it was recorded by the artist. I don't think Pandora lets you do that? Just listened to the newest Lyle Lovett album err stream yesterday and it was great - not even really a fan of his.

Now back to trying to decide if I should upgrade my RX-A2010 to the 3030 or CX-A5000?
You can do the same things with Pandora and Rhapsody if you have a Premium acct. I was wondering if there is any benefit to the free Spotify vs free Pandora.
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You can do the same things with Pandora and Rhapsody if you have a Premium acct. I was wondering if there is any benefit to the free Spotify vs free Pandora.

Good question? For Pandora I have only used the free version so I wasn't aware you could listen to a full album. When I tried the free Spotify app on my ipad it didn't take me long to sign up for the premium account. I never felt that with the Pandora app. I do like the Steve Earl station on Pandora though when I'm sitting in the garage babysitting my weber smoker. As far as features between the free versions I guess flip a coin?
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I just upgraded to the 2030 and I have standby Through set to ON. When I turn off the receiver the picture is black for a few seconds then it comes back up. On my old yamaha receiver when I would turn the receiver off it would never lose the picture. Is there a setting I'm missing or is this just how the new ones are?
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That is the HDMI handshake reestablishing itself. I have 2 RX-A3010's and a CX-A5000 and they all do that. It probably won't do that if you are using component or composet connections as those are in the analog realm and don't have to reestablish a digital handshake when they are interrupted.
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That is the HDMI handshake reestablishing itself. I have 2 RX-A3010's and a CX-A5000 and they all do that. It probably won't do that if you are using component or composet connections as those are in the analog realm and don't have to reestablish a digital handshake when they are interrupted.

Hi, i wonder if you could tell me if there is a significant difference in the sound quality between the 3010s and the CXA-5000

 

as there are a few 3010s and 3020s starting to appear on the 2nd hand market for reasonable money

if the difference is quite a step up then its probably worth having to spend the extra

but at the moment i'm still torn between spending extra money or not :)

and also may help others in a similar dilemma

 

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Hi, i wonder if you could tell me if there is a significant difference in the sound quality between the 3010s and the CXA-5000

as there are a few 3010s and 3020s starting to appear on the 2nd hand market for reasonable money
if the difference is quite a step up then its probably worth having to spend the extra
but at the moment i'm still torn between spending extra money or not smile.gif
and also may help others in a similar dilemma

thanks very much

significant is a subjective term

there were some 3020 ( and 2020) models at some magnolia Home theater locations for about 1/3 of retail in December...that may have all but dried up now though

I always find it surprising that the secondary market can lag behind what a clearance price on a new one was


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When I received my CX-A5000 I did a comprehensive review if it against a RX-A3010. If you look at Post #403 in this thread you can see my results and opinions.

FWIW Both the RX-A3010s I own are still running strong with no issues and functioning 100%, thats the nice thing about Yamaha "RELIABILITY"
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Looking at replacing an older RX-Z1 receiver in our front room with an A20 or 30 series w/9.2. Also trying to delete an external amp that's running a pair of speakers in the master bedroom and the backyard. I don't see an option for what I need to do. The main system is a 5.1 plus front presence. Then the 2 pairs of zone speakers. I don't use rear surrounds. Is there any way to do this? I understand there's not enough amps to run everything at the same time-I just want to be able to choose between the front effects or use those amps to run one of the zone pairs:confused: at times. Am I missing something, or is this just not possible?
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When I received my CX-A5000 I did a comprehensive review if it against a RX-A3010. If you look at Post #403 in this thread you can see my results and opinions.

FWIW Both the RX-A3010s I own are still running strong with no issues and functioning 100%, thats the nice thing about Yamaha "RELIABILITY"

Thanks alot,

i'll take a look

 

while im here,

does anyone have an opinion on the Yamaha P7000 for some home made subs,

baring in mind i already have the Behringer DCX2496 for eq and crossover etc

or are they possibly overkill

 

they seem to get nice reviews

http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/products/poweramps/ps_series/specifications.jsp

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How would you compare Spotify to Pandora?

I like Pandora as it finds the right vein of music I am seeking, and lots of new artists to listen to. Spotify is new to me...pretty cool to go right to an album and use my iphone to adjust volume on my 3030.

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some nice reviews of the P7000s

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/yamaha-p7000s-dual-channel-power-amp#

 

i hear it can knock the mortar out of walls

so cant decide if to get the P7000s or the P5000s

maybe i'll just get one anyway - they don't cost much, and hopefully i won't be evicted

 

 

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Thanks for the review of the 3010s and the CX-A5000

now i can't decide on the 3030 or the CX-A5000

choices, choices :)

 

 
 

 

 

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Looking at replacing an older RX-Z1 receiver in our front room with an A20 or 30 series w/9.2. Also trying to delete an external amp that's running a pair of speakers in the master bedroom and the backyard. I don't see an option for what I need to do. The main system is a 5.1 plus front presence. Then the 2 pairs of zone speakers. I don't use rear surrounds. Is there any way to do this? I understand there's not enough amps to run everything at the same time-I just want to be able to choose between the front effects or use those amps to run one of the zone pairs:confused: at times. Am I missing something, or is this just not possible?

Anybody? Looks like I can do this with the Pioneer SC-1523.
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Looking at replacing an older RX-Z1 receiver in our front room with an A20 or 30 series w/9.2. Also trying to delete an external amp that's running a pair of speakers in the master bedroom and the backyard. I don't see an option for what I need to do. The main system is a 5.1 plus front presence. Then the 2 pairs of zone speakers. I don't use rear surrounds. Is there any way to do this? I understand there's not enough amps to run everything at the same time-I just want to be able to choose between the front effects or use those amps to run one of the zone pairs:confused: at times. Am I missing something, or is this just not possible?
Only the front and rear presence speakers can be re-assigned for zone 2 & 3. Page 31 of manual.
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Only the front and rear presence speakers can be re-assigned for zone 2 & 3. Page 31 of manual.

Thanks. That's what it looked like to me. Too bad-I'd prefer Yamaha over Pioneer or another brand, but it won't work out unless I can assign the back surround amps for zone duty.
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Anybody? Looks like I can do this with the Pioneer SC-1523.

I don't think you can. It doesn't let you use front wide or front high speakers if you have both zone 2 and 3 speakers connected.

If you don't mind having both rooms in the same zone, you could connect the speakers in the two rooms through an impedence matching speaker switch to the same set of speaker terminals. That would let you have presence speakers and zone 2 speakers with the need to use an external amplifier. You could also hook one zone through the external amp and one zone directly to the receiver if that would make it more convienent.
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some nice reviews of the P7000s
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/yamaha-p7000s-dual-channel-power-amp#

i hear it can knock the mortar out of walls
so cant decide if to get the P7000s or the P5000s
maybe i'll just get one anyway - they don't cost much, and hopefully i won't be evicted




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Thanks for the review of the 3010s and the CX-A5000
now i can't decide on the 3030 or the CX-A5000
choices, choices smile.gif



 If you are going to be using external amplifiers only i would go with the CX-A5000 to take advantage of the XLR connections. If you are going to be using internal amps for anything and to save some money, the RX-A3030 has the same feature set albiet missing a few minor "tweeks" the 5000 can do.

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If you are going to be using external amplifiers only i would go with the CX-A5000 to take advantage of the XLR connections. If you are going to be using internal amps for anything and to save some money, the RX-A3030 has the same feature set albiet missing a few minor "tweeks" the 5000 can do.

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Has anybody had a problem with failure of the auto sensing circuit of their subwoofer not functioning to power off the sub? I have a new sub and when connected to either my 730 or 830, fails to power down after the time there is no signal. What it does is powers down for a split second and then immediately powers back on, so it is on all of the time. If the connector is removed from the yamaha, then the sub powers down after about 15 minutes. The fact that this occurs with both receivers and the fact that when the sub isn't connected to the receiver it powers down, makes me think that there may be some sort of problem with the Yamahas. I have also unplugged the receivers and the sub still won't power down.
Has anybody else experienced this with their receivers? I forgot to mention that I used multiple audio interconnects and an RG6 shielded cable to no avail.
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Listen to the sub closely when everything is turned on but you're not playing anything. Turn up the master volume and listen for any hum that could indicate a ground loop. A ground loop can send enough signal to the sub to keep it turned on, and it's not always so loud that you notice it from a distance.
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Listen to the sub closely when everything is turned on but you're not playing anything. Turn up the master volume and listen for any hum that could indicate a ground loop. A ground loop can send enough signal to the sub to keep it turned on, and it's not always so loud that you notice it from a distance.

Tried it, when yamaha is turned up to max I don't hear anything from the sub until I move its gain beyond 3-4 o'clock, then there is just a constant very low rumble, not a typical 60Hz hum. I plugged the subs power cord (2prong) into a heavy duty grounded extension, no difference. This is really strange, I have tried everything that the manufacturer of the sub has suggested and everything that I can think of-the fact that it happens with both receivers seems to indicate to me that it is a problem with the Yamahas, since the sub will auto shut when unplugged fromthe receivers. I even went so far as to disconnec the internet connection, thinking that Pandora might still be playing in the background and sending a slight signal-no luck. As I said, even when the receivers are not plugged in to the AC outlet, as long as they are connected by the audio cable,, the shut-off won't work.
Pretty curious-wish somebody from Yamaha monitorred these forums, like they do the Denon forums.
Thanks for your suggestion.
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What's the sub level set at in the Yamaha? Assuming it's not already near the min (-10dB), you could try setting it close to the min and turning up the sub gain to compensate. Then the lower signal going to the sub might let it turn off. But then again if it still happens when the receiver is not plugged in to the AC power, it will probably have no effect.

It's funny because there are more complaints about the sub not turning on automatically than not turning off! I had a minor ground loop that produced the same effect (sub not turning off), and removing the offending connection to the receiver (TV cable in my case) solved the problem.
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If you are going to be using external amplifiers only i would go with the CX-A5000 to take advantage of the XLR connections. If you are going to be using internal amps for anything and to save some money, the RX-A3030 has the same feature set albiet missing a few minor "tweeks" the 5000 can do.

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Thanks,

i was hoping to upgrade slightly on the cheap, if possible, but its not going to happen

spoke to a salesman yesterday about both and they said they thought the CX-A5000 is an all round better sounding machine, although they would say that

 

unfortunately trying to save up money and upgrading does n't mix to well

the CX-A5000 is n't much more new than the 3030 so will have to suck it up and pay the money,

 

the Rotel 1095 i've just bought has the XLRs and the crossovers i use also has them so would be nice to actually use in balanced mode, although i have another pre amp inline which is n't balanced so might add a tiny bit of hiss,

but always found that a pre-amp between the processor and crossovers and power amps adds something,

rather than take away (can add bite or soften the sound as you wish etc and also has the good old analogue bass and treble)

 

but might go with the Yamaha P7000 sub amp first though and see if the CX-A5000 gets a bit cheaper in the next few to six months

and also to see whether any news comes from Yamaha about the next CX Processor, as someone at Yamaha UK told me before Christmas there is likely to be a successor to the CX-A5000, he did n't say when though

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Thanks,
i was hoping to upgrade slightly on the cheap, if possible, but its not going to happen
spoke to a salesman yesterday about both and they said they thought the CX-A5000 is an all round better sounding machine, although they would say that

unfortunately trying to save up money and upgrading does n't mix to well
the CX-A5000 is n't much more new than the 3030 so will have suck it up and pay the money,

the Rotel 1095 i've just bought has the XLRs and also the crossovers i use also has them so would be nice to actually use in balanced mode, although i have another pre amp inline which is n't balanced so might add a tiny bit of hiss,
but always found that a pre-amp between the processor and crossovers and power amps adds something,
rather than take away (can add bite or soften the sound as you wish etc and also has the good old analogue bass and treble)

but might go with the Yamaha P7000 sub amp first though and see if the CX-A5000 gets a bit cheaper in the next few to six months
and also to see whether any news comes from Yamaha about the next CX Processor, as someone at Yamaha UK told me before Christmas there is likely to be a successor to the CX-A5000, he did n't say when though

Regarding a successor to the CX-A5000...if they come out with a replacement in less than 4 years time that will be unusual for Yamaha flagship products. Could happen I suppose, but they've not done that in the past in my experience (starting with the DSP-A3090).
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Regarding a successor to the CX-A5000...if they come out with a replacement in less than 4 years time that will be unusual for Yamaha flagship products. Could happen I suppose, but they've not done that in the past in my experience (starting with the DSP-A3090).


I think your right, its not really happened much before - although the AX1 was possibly 2 yrs after the A1 and possibly something just before or just after the Z9

Z1 possibly ? and maybe another around the time

 

i was asking Yamaha about a few things and mentioned about the XLRs not being on the sub outputs and he said the next one will or likely will have them (can't remember exactly)

it was a cost and space issue on the 5000

 

possibly there could be a new 3040 sometime in spring (maybe) so we should get to see the new range and any news,

but also think its fairly unlikely for a CX-A6000? this yr with the bits they left off the 5000

more and better controlled zones would be good and better graphics and icons and the missing sub XLRs

and half the price :) 

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Regarding a successor to the CX-A5000...if they come out with a replacement in less than 4 years time that will be unusual for Yamaha flagship products. Could happen I suppose, but they've not done that in the past in my experience (starting with the DSP-A3090).

That was when they had true flagship products which were unique designs. Now the A5000 is basically a repackaged A3030, it's no more effort to refresh it once a year than the other models. Among other things they probably want to introduce HDMI 2.0 this year.
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