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how does the 2030 compare to a marantz 6008?

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The angle correction and upgraded DSP modes both sound like worthy considerations. Get the best one you can easily afford.

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Will the 1039 work with MMG MAGNEPAN 4 Ohm, 86db sensitivity speakers?
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No it won't. The Magnepan impedance go below 2 ohms at certain frequencies, the receiver will go into protection mode.

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Thank you for that, so in your opinion do you think it's worth the extra to get the 3030 over the 2030 or I wont even notice the difference? (this will be my first ht setup pairing with monitor audio silver 10's and an svs pb2000 if it makes a difference)



I'm guessing not, unless your speaker array requires angle correction. If it doesn't need angle correction (see next paragraph), I'd actually go so far as to wager you won't hear a difference, but it's just a guess. I went with the 3030 anyway, to play it safe, as I'm not only upgrading AVRs, I'm also trying to drop an external amp that I think is likely overkill for our HT. But I'm not familiar with your speakers other than the SVS - great subs! - and don't know enough about your room to offer any supposition as to your power needs - not that an extra 10 wpc will give you much more headroom. I tend to agree with the "get the best you can afford so you're not second guessing your decision later" line of thinking. Keeping in mind that you can get a 3030 for a lot less than SRP at many dealers; just don't try to buy one from a big box store like Best Buy or amazon for less than SRP.

From what I was told, the angle correction is primarily, if not solely, for compensating for non-ideal speaker placement. Like for example, you position your left surround ideally, but because of a door or window on the other wall, the right speaker has to be positioned higher, or forward or back more. If you're able to place the speakers symetrically, in the approximate ideal locations - which ideal placement depends on the speaker type and seating area - then the angle correction may not be as useful according to Yamaha tech support.

The Cinema DSP HD3 is supposed to expand the sound field vertically, but it may require front presence speakers. I'm not usually a fan of DSPs, but Yamaha is supposed to have some of the best, so I'm looking forward to hearing what they've come up with. I think their most celebrated dsps are included in both models.

It's actually the ESS dacs that separate these two models that I'm most looking forward to hearing, after the glowing review at Secrets. Everything I've heard about dacs tell me, there shouldn't be an audible difference though, at least not because of the bit depth, so we'll see.

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New Product Bulletins for some Yamaha 2014 low|mid-priced AVRs seen on the net:

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Good to see built in wifi and included Bluetooth on the 777. I would assume all of the A lines will have both included?
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New Product Bulletins for some Yamaha 2014 low|mid-priced AVRs seen on the net...

"YPAO Volume" is new, and seems to be Yamaha's answer to Audyssey Dynamic EQ. Also HDMI 2.0 and built in WiFi, so probably more improvements this year than last year.
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"YPAO Volume" is new, and seems to be Yamaha's answer to Audyssey Dynamic EQ. Also HDMI 2.0 and built in WiFi, so probably more improvements this year than last year.
Sounds like more and more significant than last year. Sure "YPAO Volume" isnt the answer to "Dynamic Volume"?

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Will any AVR work with the Magnepan? Pioneer with their D3 amps?

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New Product Bulletins for some Yamaha 2014 low|mid-priced AVRs seen on the net:

 

Cool prices please are they also updating the Avantage

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No it won't. The Magnepan impedance go below 2 ohms at certain frequencies, the receiver will go into protection mode.

This is incorrect. Magnepan MMG presents a stable resistive load of 4 Ohms to the amplifier. It will work perfectly well with Yamaha receivers, and you can get get decent volume especially if you cross over to the sub at 80 Hz. Speaking from first hand experience. Leave the Yamaha at 8 Ohm setting and ignore the manual to make adjustments for 6 Ohm speakers. Never had the receiver (RX-A830) go into protection mode even when driving a 5.1 all Maggie set-up with MG1.6 for front speakers. Yes, it will play louder if you connect an external power amp and use Yamaha as a pre-pro only.
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Will any AVR work with the Magnepan? Pioneer with their D3 amps?

The majority of AVRs will work just fine with Magnepan speakers especially if you have a subwoofer and you set the cross over frequency to 80 Hz. Yamaha Aventage, Pioneer Elite, Anthem, etc., have all been used with Magnepan speakers even though only Pioneer Elite is specifically listed as supporting 4 Ohm speakers. Again, if you have a sub in your HT set-up, you will reduce the burden on your AVR and Magnepan speakers considerably.
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Sounds like more and more significant than last year. Sure "YPAO Volume" isnt the answer to "Dynamic Volume"?

Despite the name, it seems to do what Dynamic EQ does ("automatically adjusts the high and low frequency levels so that you hear natural sound at any volume"). They don't say it boosts surround levels at lower volumes, but that Audyssey Dynamic EQ feature is somewhat controversial anyway.
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Despite the name, it seems to do what Dynamic EQ does ("automatically adjusts the high and low frequency levels so that you hear natural sound at any volume"). They don't say it boosts surround levels at lower volumes, but that Audyssey Dynamic EQ feature is somewhat controversial anyway.
What would be the difference between YPAO Volume and Adaptive Dynamic Range Control?

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Have a general question/seeking to hear opinion's of yamaha owner's... Looking to upgrade from my onkyo tx-sr606, and the two yamaha's i'm looking at are the 1030 or 2030. The 9 channels aren't needed, but the sub eq is what attracts me to the 2030. If i go with the 1030, i'll add an Anti-mode 8033...

What would be the advantages of the 2030 vs the 1030 with the Anti-mode 8033?

The other receiver i've looked at, at a local shop is the Anthem mrx 510.

My speakers are Polk M60 series II, Polk CS2, some old JBL book shelf speakers for surround, and a PSA XV15.

The reliability of yamaha is what has stirred interest in these receivers...

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This is incorrect. Magnepan MMG presents a stable resistive load of 4 Ohms to the amplifier. It will work perfectly well with Yamaha receivers, and you can get get decent volume especially if you cross over to the sub at 80 Hz. Speaking from first hand experience. Leave the Yamaha at 8 Ohm setting and ignore the manual to make adjustments for 6 Ohm speakers. Never had the receiver (RX-A830) go into protection mode even when driving a 5.1 all Maggie set-up with MG1.6 for front speakers. Yes, it will play louder if you connect an external power amp and use Yamaha as a pre-pro only.

Great I looked at their web site they are the only one to show 8/6/4/2 ohm data
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This is incorrect. Magnepan MMG presents a stable resistive load of 4 Ohms to the amplifier. It will work perfectly well with Yamaha receivers, and you can get get decent volume especially if you cross over to the sub at 80 Hz. Speaking from first hand experience. Leave the Yamaha at 8 Ohm setting and ignore the manual to make adjustments for 6 Ohm speakers. Never had the receiver (RX-A830) go into protection mode even when driving a 5.1 all Maggie set-up with MG1.6 for front speakers. Yes, it will play louder if you connect an external power amp and use Yamaha as a pre-pro only.

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Have a general question/seeking to hear opinion's of yamaha owner's... Looking to upgrade from my onkyo tx-sr606, and the two yamaha's i'm looking at are the 1030 or 2030. The 9 channels aren't needed, but the sub eq is what attracts me to the 2030. If i go with the 1030, i'll add an Anti-mode 8033...

What would be the advantages of the 2030 vs the 1030 with the Anti-mode 8033?

The other receiver i've looked at, at a local shop is the Anthem mrx 510.

My speakers are Polk M60 series II, Polk CS2, some old JBL book shelf speakers for surround, and a PSA XV15.

The reliability of yamaha is what has stirred interest in these receivers...

Although I don't run a Yamaha AVR as my primary unit, I do have the CX-A5000 prepro and I do run 2 Antimode units (1 per channel to 2 Rythmik DIY 15" sealed subs). I used the antimode units not because YPAO could not EQ my subs but because I have a horrible room acustic wise and the WAF is not going to let me do any sound treatments. So as a compromise the wife went with me trying out the antimode units and it made a huge difference in elimiating some nasty peaks. I would go with the 2030 and try it and if your room needs further eq'ing then add the antimode unit(s). the antimode 8033 units are specifically designed for subs and only subs so they will only help not hinder what YPAO does as far as eq'ing your subs. Just remember to run the antimode calibration first, then run YPAO, and last but not least use an SPL meter to get everything leveled out. It made a night and day difference in my setup but YMMV.

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What would be the difference between YPAO Volume and Adaptive Dynamic Range Control?

YPAO Volume doesn't appear to do any dynamic range reduction. It sounds more like the old "loudness button" you used to see (except that it dynamically increases its effect as the volume is turned down, it's not just on or off).

Adaptive DRC really is compressing the dynamic range as you turn down the volume. Yamaha still doesn't have anything directly equivalent to Dolby Volume or Audyssey Dynamic Volume, but Adaptive DRC should produce a similar effect because reducing dynamic range naturally reduces the difference between loud and quiet program material (e.g. between a TV show and obnoxiously loud commercials).
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New Product Bulletins for some Yamaha 2014 low|mid-priced AVRs seen on the net:

Awesome, awesome, awesome!

 

Finally, an HDMI 2.0 AVR!!!

 

I may not have to wait as long as I thought!

 

Any idea as to when the new Aventage flagship AVRs will be coming out...?

 

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Awesome, awesome, awesome! Finally, an HDMI 2.0 AVR!!!

I may not have to wait as long as I thought! Any idea as to when the new Aventage flagship AVRs will be coming out...? smile.gif

Good question usually updates are in March April for Yamaha biggrin.gif
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Awesome, awesome, awesome!

Finally, an HDMI 2.0 AVR!!!

I may not have to wait as long as I thought!

Any idea as to when the new Aventage flagship AVRs will be coming out...?

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4Kp60 implies HDMI 2.0, unless they are being deliberately misleading.
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Have a general question/seeking to hear opinion's of yamaha owner's... Looking to upgrade from my onkyo tx-sr606, and the two yamaha's i'm looking at are the 1030 or 2030. The 9 channels aren't needed, but the sub eq is what attracts me to the 2030. If i go with the 1030, i'll add an Anti-mode 8033...

What would be the advantages of the 2030 vs the 1030 with the Anti-mode 8033?

The other receiver i've looked at, at a local shop is the Anthem mrx 510.

My speakers are Polk M60 series II, Polk CS2, some old JBL book shelf speakers for surround, and a PSA XV15.

The reliability of yamaha is what has stirred interest in these receivers...

From what I've read, the antimode will likely do a better job with low frequencies than YPAO. But I believe the difference between the 2030 and 1030 is still substantial in other areas. One reviewer likened the 1030 more toward the lower end 830 than the 2030. I don't remember how that was qualified, exactly, but I know the 2030 is a dual dac design like the 3030, where the 1030 uses a single dac. I pretty much stopped comparing them after that point.

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4Kp60 implies HDMI 2.0, unless they are being deliberately misleading.

or careful, if they have not been fully tested to meet the spec.

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or careful, if they have not been fully tested to meet the spec.

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My understanding is that they haven't even finalized the specs for HDMI 2.0 yet...

 

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No it won't. The Magnepan impedance go below 2 ohms at certain frequencies, the receiver will go into protection mode.

Doo you have data showing that MMG go bellow 2 Ohms

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or careful, if they have not been fully tested to meet the spec.

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IMO, 2014 for both AVRs and 4k TVs is a year for the buyer to beware and do their homework. Apparently there is more than one version of the HDMI 2.0 spec that was released in 9/13. The release info said a 18.3 gbit thru put . However, if you check the detail spec for Sony's top of the line 4k TV (950B) you will find that after 3820x2160p60 input it says 10.2 gbit 4:2:0 8 bit color. I call this HDMI 2.0 "Lite".
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IMO, 2014 for both AVRs and 4k TVs is a year for the buyer to beware and do their homework. Apparently there is more than one version of the HDMI 2.0 spec that was released in 9/13. The release info said a 18.3 gbit thru put . However, if you check the detail spec for Sony's top of the line 4k TV (950B) you will find that after 3820x2160p60 input it says 10.2 gbit 4:2:0 8 bit color. I call this HDMI 2.0 "Lite".

Why am I not surprised... tongue.gifsmile.gif

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