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Yamaha has posted product pages for the newest lineup of their AVENTAGE line of A/V Receivers..

Biggest news on the 2013 models is the selection of ESS SABRE DAC's on these models.

MHL support is new.

They are also no longer listing HQV video processors as a feature... will try and get some clarity on what processing solution they are now using

In addition, Yamaha recently showed a pre-amp version of the RX-A3030 and 11 channel amp at an AV show in Europe.

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Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A3030 Product Page

Availability July, 2013. MSRP: $2,199.95

Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A2030 Product Page

Availability June 2013, MSRP: $1699.95

Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A1030 Product Page

Availability June 2013, MSRP: $1199.95

MANUALS AVAILABLE ON THE SUPPORT TAB ACCESSIBLE THROUGH THE PRODUCT PAGES (note the A2030 and A3030 share the same manual.)

The A1030 gains ESS 9006 DAC's, matrix switching second HDMI Zone support and front HDMI MHL support over last years models.

The upgrades from the A1030 > A2030 include second zone GUI, 2 IR In/Outs (vs. 1 set on the A1030,) Zone 4 HDMI Audio Output, Zone 3 Pre Amp audio output, Zone 3 Powered output (vs. only Zone 2 on the A1030,) Zone 2 All Sources and Zone 4 HDMI outputs. Remote upgrades include learning functions and macros.

The A2030 also adds video adjustments and 9.2 channel processing (vs. 7.2 in the A1030.) and 9 channels of amplification (up from 7 on the A1030.)

Power increases to 140W/ch (8 ohms, 0.06% THD) vs. 110 (8 ohms, 0.09% THD) 2 channels driven, on the A1030.

Finally, in terms of the A3020, the upgrades include:

ESS 9016 DAC's for the main 7 channels, 9006 DAC's for the 4 presence channel outputs.

CINEMA DSP HD3 audio processing (vs. HD ont the A1020/A2030.)

The addition of the VPS Virtual Presence Speaker setting, which allows for a 5 or 7 channel system to "synthesize" virtual presence speakers in various ways.

From the manual... "Selects whether to create Virtual Presence Speaker (VPS) using the front, center, and surround speakers. When VPS is enabled, the unit creates front VPS when no front presence speakers are connected, and creates rear VPS when front presence speakers are connected but no rear presence speakers."

150W/channel (8 ohms, 0.06% THD,) 11.2 channel processing/pre-amp outputs, YPAO with angle measurements, variable parameter video processing and a fully backlit remote.

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The new pre-amp is the CX-A5000 (SABRE 9016 DAC's on ALL CHANNELS) with balanced outputs and a new 150W x 11 channel MX-A5000 amp..

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MX-A5000 Product Page

One additional feature on the pre amp not in any of the AVR models is a selectable DAC filter setting.

There are 3 settings,

Sharp Roll-off Type: Removes out-of-band noises by the filter with steep attenuation characteristics.
It has a tendency to produce clear sounds.

Slow Roll-off Type: Removes out-of-band noises by the filter with gentle attenuation characteristics.
It has a tendency to produce soft sounds.

Short Latency Type (default): Reduces the audio delay caused by the DAC internal digital filter. It has a tendency to produce responsive and rhythmical sounds.

MSRP 2999.95 EACH

Availability August, 2013.
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Even though I am not an owner, I love these AVR's and since I started the x020 thread I thought I could get this one going too...

I will update as info becomes available...

EDIT: I now own a A3030.
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Thanks! I love these receivers as well. My parents bought the A1010 and it's really nice. I'm still using my RX-V2600. It's nice to see Yamaha doing seprates again! So the CX-A5000 & MX-A5000 will be for the US market?
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This is indeed great news, I run a RX-A3010 with all external amplifiers and would jump at the chance to get the cx-a5000 to run all my amps xlr plus I am a seperates guy. Hopefully this will be available in the states. I know if it is I will be getting this as soon as it hits the shelves. I almost bought the Marantz av-8801 but will now wait to see what the Yamaha has to offer. AWESOME

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I have been out of the game for quite some time. My current receiver is an rx-v2200 which I believe is of the same line (i.e. was positioned similarly) as the rx-a1030. I want to upgrade but am a bit lost on the new tech. I know that pretty much any modern receiver along these lines will blow it away but I would like to purchase another 10 year receiver. To that end, I highly doubt that the 1030 is a SUBSTANTIAL upgrade from the 1020, but as someone buying in from such an old receiver, would it be "worth" it to go with the 1030 over the 1020? Burr brown is what I knew to be good dacs, is the ESS worth it? Other than that the only other difference I can see is MHL, which I currently use an ipad with it's own power anyways so at the moment MHL is moot for me. Don't know what the future will bring for it. What do you guys think?
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I was just about to buy 2 RX-A2020s! Now what do I do?

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It will be interesting to see if the CX-A5000 pre|pro will receive annual feature refreshes (together with a new model number) like the AVENTAGE AVRs, or whether it is intended as a return to the "multi year flagship style" product concept (with|without available hardware updates). cool.gif
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The CX-A5000 looks to be using a lot of the same parts as the RX-Ax030 series so I'd expect they're planning to update it yearly, assuming it sells well enough this year to warrant it.
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The CX-A5000 is almost perfect but is a crime to not put XLR out's for the LFE. Wtf?

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This is indeed great news, I run a RX-A3010 with all external amplifiers and would jump at the chance to get the cx-a5000 to run all my amps xlr plus I am a seperates guy. Hopefully this will be available in the states. I know if it is I will be getting this as soon as it hits the shelves. I almost bought the Marantz av-8801 but will now wait to see what the Yamaha has to offer. AWESOME

I'm running external amplification as well with my 3010. As I was considering an upgrade for a specific feature with the more current 3xxx models, I'll definitely go the CX-A5000 route instead, providing there's a US release which I don't see why there wouldn't be. As for an AV-8801, I came from several Marantz units myself, including an AV7005. As much as I love Marantz in general for 2-channel music listening, I never thought I'd say this but the 3010 (or Aventage in general) really made me do a double-take considering I was never really happy with my prior Yamaha flagships (DSP-A2070, RX-V1, RX-Z1) with music. I really love the Aventage line as a one-box pre-pro solution for music and HT. My DAC and 2-channel setup rarely get used anymore since getting the 3010. I can't wait for this pre-pro to hit the market.

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Upgrading from a RX V3800 and before I buy a 30 Series model or revert back to a 20's I have two questions that I know some of would depend on the other components being used. Just looking for opinions before making a decision.

1) will I see a loss in upscale HD picture quality from no HQV. They don't list what's now being used.

2) Can you really hear an audible difference ESS SABRE DAC's VS Burr Brown.

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Just replaced a Pioneer Elite AVR VSX-03 with a Yamaha RX-A1030. Enjoying it. One thing to note is the receptical for the power cable is very close to a set of speaker terminals..so close in fact that you are limited in the size (gage) of cable (or size of the plug) you can use as a replacement for what came with the A1030. I tried a larger gage of cable (greater than 12 gage) with a large plug and it could not fit in the receptical cleanly without pushing very hard against a set of speaker terminals. I am going to drop down and try a 12 gage cable with a smaller plug made by Shunyata, the Venom 3.
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PDF Link for Pre/Pro and Amp product announcement:

Yamaha New Product Announcement
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PDF Link for Pre/Pro and Amp product announcement:

Yamaha New Product Announcement

This is like The Godfather III....Just when I thought I was out, they make something new and pull me back in.

The sabres used in the yamaha are 9016. The sabres used in the oppo 95 and 105 are the 9018. The sabres are supposed to be the best in the world. The preamp and amp look friggin cool

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The A1020 and A1030 receivers are priced the same right now; does anyone have thoughts on which is the better buy? The one big difference that has me even questioning it is the fact that they moved from Burr-Brown to ESS. I know that ESS makes good stuff too, I just don't know as much about their history and quality as I do about Burr-Brown.
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The A1020 and A1030 receivers are priced the same right now; does anyone have thoughts on which is the better buy? The one big difference that has me even questioning it is the fact that they moved from Burr-Brown to ESS. I know that ESS makes good stuff too, I just don't know as much about their history and quality as I do about Burr-Brown.


This is one of my two questions as well .... and what replaces HQV.
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I was just about to buy 2 RX-A2020s! Now what do I do?

OK, i got my RX-A2020s and they sound great,

2 questions:

1. Does anyone know what "Zone B" referenced in the manual and specifications web page means on the 2020? Looks like HDMI matrixing again is lacking unless I’m doing something wrong. I want to be able to set up another HDMI zone that I can switch HDMI sources on (kitchen)…

2. Who wants to buy a mint, used for 5 months, RX-A2010 smile.gif ?

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OK, i got my RX-A2020s and they sound great,

2 questions:

1. Does anyone know what "Zone B" referenced in the manual and specifications web page means on the 2020? Looks like HDMI matrixing again is lacking unless I’m doing something wrong. I want to be able to set up another HDMI zone that I can switch HDMI sources on (kitchen)…

2. Who wants to buy a mint, used for 5 months, RX-A2010 smile.gif ?

Isn't this a XX30 thread?
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The A1020 and A1030 receivers are priced the same right now; does anyone have thoughts on which is the better buy? The one big difference that has me even questioning it is the fact that they moved from Burr-Brown to ESS. I know that ESS makes good stuff too, I just don't know as much about their history and quality as I do about Burr-Brown.

You better get used to it, The 2013 Pioneer Elite line is entirely ESS.

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This is one of my two questions as well .... and what replaces HQV.

It is an in-house Yamaha solution, taken from the image processing tech they developed for their projectors.

Regarding the DAC's... Oppo used the 9016's in the very well regarded BDP-83SE edition...

While not the top of their line up, I am fairly certain they will be as good, if not better, than the "aging" Burr Browns.
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You better get used to it, The 2013 Pioneer Elite line is entirely ESS.

Only the top three models have been announced to go ESS. the SC-78, 77 and 75.

The newer SC's just announced make no mention of the Sabres...
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It is an in-house Yamaha solution, taken from the image processing tech they developed for their projectors.

Regarding the DAC's... Oppo used the 9016's in the very well regarded BDP-83SE edition...

While not the top of their line up, I am fairly certain they will be as good, if not better, than the "aging" Burr Browns.

Thank you for the insight, I'm torn between the 3020 (great prices) while waiting for the release and reviews of the 3030. Decisions ....
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PDF Link for Pre/Pro and Amp product announcement: Yamaha New Product Announcement

Yamaha USA web site now shows the MSRP for the CX-A5000 and MX-A5000 as $2,999.95 each.
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Yamaha USA web site now shows the MSRP for the CX-A5000 and MX-A5000 as $2,999.95 each.
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First post updated with links.. both available August.

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Here's the information from Twice:

Yamaha Adds Separate Components To Aventage Series
By Joseph Palenchar On Jun 26 2013 - 8:38am

Buena Park, Calif. – Yamaha is expanding its step-up Aventage series of A/V receivers and Blu-ray players to include separate components.

The Aventage series, launched in 2010, now gets the CX-A5000 11.2- channel A/V preamplifier and MX-A5000 11-channel power amplifier. They will be available at a suggested $2,999 each in August through authorized Aventage dealers.

The preamp features dual ESS Technology SABRE32 Ultra DACs for “extremely accurate sound imaging,” Yamaha’s proprietary Cinema DSP HD3 technology to create a 360-degree sound field when using front and rear presence speakers, and a dedicated second-zone graphical user interface to control the selection and playback of HD video and audio sources in a second zone via the company’s Advanced HDMI Zone Switching feature.

Additional product details are available at http://4wrd.it/AVENTAGE_SEPARATES .

http://www.twice.com/articletype/news/yamaha-adds-separate-components-aventage-series/107501
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Comparing the specs for the CX-A5000 and the RX-A3030 they look pretty much the same except a few dsp modes and the XLR connections. It would almost seem to make sense to get the 3030 if you plan to run seperate amps (like me with my Emotiva's)? Any thoughts to this and what else may make the pre-amp a better solution. It costs about $800 more and thats without the amps so just wondering what we may expect. Anyone in the know?


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Owners manuals for the separates are now available on the USA website.. just go to the support tab to download (need to register for the site.)

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