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kmartin173's Avatar kmartin173
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Just got the 1123, unplugged the speakers from my old Pioneer unit and plugged them directly back into this unit. Only the center channel and subwoofer provide any sound and the MCACC doesn't detect anything but the center speaker and gives an "err" message on it. I know the connections are solid and I haven't found anything in the manual that helps to explain what the problem may be. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Make sure the terminals aren't crossed.
The 1123-K needs positive to run to positive and negative run to negative.
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quick question just to make sure I didn't miss anything

is the only difference between VSX923 and VSX1123 the AVNavigator support?

something doesn't add up here..
kmartin173's Avatar kmartin173
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I unhooked everything but the center channel which is definitely not crossed and still get the "err" message.
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Day 4 of my new Pioneer 1123. Got everything working to my liking and then suddenly this evening, the only sound I can get from any input is to my subwoofer. I'm re-running the Full Auto Mcaac as I type and every speaker is making the sounds it is supposed to make, so it's not as if somehow the receiver can't output sound to them. Is there some setting I could have accidentally hit, on the remote, for instance, that could cause this problem? Any help this evening would be MUCH appreciated.
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Instant update on my previous problem. Re-running the Full Auto Mcaac appears to have fixed the problem. But does anyone know what might have caused something like this? Even though this was a fairly easy fix (now that I know of it), I'd hate for this to happen on a regular basis.
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More than likely it's the Speaker A-B button in your remote. If you set it to speaker B and your receiver is not in that mode it will turn them off.
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quick question just to make sure I didn't miss anything

is the only difference between VSX923 and VSX1123 the AVNavigator support?

something doesn't add up here..
Wasn't aware there was a 9xx version.
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I unhooked everything but the center channel which is definitely not crossed and still get the "err" message.
Please provide a little more detail on your setup. Speakers, cable gauge, receiver settings... etc.
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The 9xx is sold in Europe.

http://www.whathifi.com/review/pioneer-vsx-923

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/42/98/405/VSX-923-K/page.html
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the only difference I saw in Pionner site is the AVNavigator which is absourd

Having said that, I saw someone in one of the threads and one a youtube video by Pioneer which are actually using it on the 923!

Also I read that the 923 doesnt support DLNA, NAS, Airply to Zone 2...maybe that's the big deal ??
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Somewhere I noticed that the 1123 has 7x200 watts where the 923 has 7x150 watts... whatever that means... might have been on the Amazon UK site. The 1123 is a little heavier.
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Thanks for the reply. And you appear to have been correct. I hit the "speakers" button (#7) and it turned the speakers off except for the subwoofer. Good to know in case it happens again.
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More than likely it's the Speaker A-B button in your remote. If you set it to speaker B and your receiver is not in that mode it will turn them off.

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Ok great, thanks. Another problem I have is that MCACC keeps telling me my center channel is reverse phase when it is not, I double checked it. Is this most likely just a glitch that I should ignore?

 

Also, could anyone explain the difference between ALC and DRC? Aren't they both designed to do the same thing? I use ALC mode a lot because it gets rid of volume spikes, but I also read that DRC is used to do the same thing.

 

Edit: This was in response to Exist To Resist's post on the previous page. Forgot to quote the post.

 

 


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Is this sub suitable for this receiver?

http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/support/past-products/vector/vw8/



Any recommendation for mid range Center Speaker and 2 mid range outdoor speakers to connects to zone 2?
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Ok great, thanks. Another problem I have is that MCACC keeps telling me my center channel is reverse phase when it is not, I double checked it. Is this most likely just a glitch that I should ignore?

Also, could anyone explain the difference between ALC and DRC? Aren't they both designed to do the same thing? I use ALC mode a lot because it gets rid of volume spikes, but I also read that DRC is used to do the same thing.

Edit: This was in response to Exist To Resist's post on the previous page. Forgot to quote the post.


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I had the same problem when I first set up my receiver, swap the red/black ends and see if it happens again. If it does, re cut the ends and try again.


ALC - The receiver equalizes all channels to the same levels. Essentially the surrounds the fronts and center are played back at equal level. As well as the low and high frequency sounds, dialogs, surrounds effects, etc., that are difficult to hear when the volumes are low are adjusted to be optimal for the volume level. Mode is optimum for listening at night. Pg 49 of the manual.

DRC? There is DIRECT and PURE DIRECT.
DIRECT - Plays back sound from the source with the least modification next to PURE DIRECT. With DIRECT, the only modification added to PURE DIRECT playback are calibation of the sound field by the MCACC system and the Phase Control effect. PURE DIRECT - Plays back unmodiffied sound from source with only minimal digital treatment. Pg 50 of the Manual.

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Originally Posted by ktm19 View Post

Ok great, thanks. Another problem I have is that MCACC keeps telling me my center channel is reverse phase when it is not, I double checked it. Is this most likely just a glitch that I should ignore?

Also, could anyone explain the difference between ALC and DRC? Aren't they both designed to do the same thing? I use ALC mode a lot because it gets rid of volume spikes, but I also read that DRC is used to do the same thing.

Edit: This was in response to Exist To Resist's post on the previous page. Forgot to quote the post.


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I had the same problem when I first set up my receiver, swap the red/black ends and see if it happens again. If it does, re cut the ends and try again.


ALC - The receiver equalizes all channels to the same levels. Essentially the surrounds the fronts and center are played back at equal level. As well as the low and high frequency sounds, dialogs, surrounds effects, etc., that are difficult to hear when the volumes are low are adjusted to be optimal for the volume level. Mode is optimum for listening at night. Pg 49 of the manual.

DRC? There is DIRECT and PURE DIRECT.
DIRECT - Plays back sound from the source with the least modification next to PURE DIRECT. With DIRECT, the only modification added to PURE DIRECT playback are calibation of the sound field by the MCACC system and the Phase Control effect. PURE DIRECT - Plays back unmodiffied sound from source with only minimal digital treatment. Pg 50 of the Manual.

I moved the microphone around to a few diff positions and ran the test and the "Reverse Phase" message did not show up. So it is either a glitch in the MCACC or my room reflections. The
DRC I am talking about is the Dynamic Range Control setting. To me it seems pretty similar to what ALC does.


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Ahh ok. I think DRC is the manual implementation of the proprietary ALC technology.
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i am using 14 gauge wire. Is this amp sufficient to power the andrew jones pioneer setup? i would assume it would be more than enough. thanks
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Is this sub suitable for this receiver?

http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/support/past-products/vector/vw8/



Any recommendation for mid range Center Speaker and 2 mid range outdoor speakers to connects to zone 2?

Too small.

Since subwoofers generally have their own power amps the smallest AVR can sucessfully drive the largest subwoofer that has its own amplifier.
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i am using 14 gauge wire. Is this amp sufficient to power the andrew jones pioneer setup? i would assume it would be more than enough. thanks

Hold that thought!
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Ok
Would like to hear any recommendation from the forum on a white sub and center speaker that will do justice with this reciver

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Is this sub suitable for this receiver?

Any recommendation for mid range Center Speaker and 2 mid range outdoor speakers to connects to zone 2?

Yes too small, the HSU VTF-3 MK4 seems to work nicely with this receiver in a 26x15 room. If you want white you will have to paint it, although HSU would paint it for you I think. Standard is black or rosenut wood.
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^^
Thank you, but it's over my budget
I set myself a cap of 300$ for each speaker - sub and center
For the outdoor - around 200$

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The excellent HSU STF-1 is less than $300. I used one of these for several years before upgrading.

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/stf-1.html
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Thanks, but its not white frown.gif

I am looking for white sub/center/outdoor as it complements with my house....
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If you want white you may want to think about paint, or compromise sound quality....
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Why?
are white that bad eek.gif

how about JAMO sub210 or Morel pms10 or Psw8/10 for sub?
and for center - morel sp2 ? or monior audio rx silver?

i read some good recommendation about them.
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Why?
are white that bad eek.gif

how about JAMO sub210 or Morel pms10 or Psw8/10 for sub?
and for center - morel sp2 ? or monior audio rx silver?

i read some good recommendation about them.

"That bad" is subjective. You should audition the sound, see what you like. If you want the best sound in a $300 sub you won't get it in white unless you paint it, although I think HSU will customize for a fee.
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It appears from the PDF documentation that if you use the component input you give up one of the HDMI inputs. Is this true?
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Hey All - I got the VSX-1123-K and love it so far.  Originally I bought it for 7.2 with the high-front (not researching enough ahead of time to note that you can't use the rear surround at the same time as the front highs, but that's ok) but I'm about to move into a new house and I have some additional ideas that I wanted to bounce off of some of you that have had multi-zone systems before.

 

I plan on testing a lot of this, but before I even try I wanted to hear from some of you whether you thought what I was looking to do is even worth testing.

 

Here's my desired setup and "use cases":

 

Living Room (location of 1123): 7.1 w/ High Fronts

Office: HDMI from Living Room to a small TV in the office (no receiver)

Kitchen: Pair in-ceiling speakers

Other: Pair in-ceiling speakers

Patio: Pair outdoor speakers

 

 

Use Cases:

1. Watch a source in Full 7.1 surround (with front highs off)

2. Watch a source in 5.1 surround + front high

3. Listen to a source in rooms 1, 2 and/or 3

4. Watch a source in office via HDZONE (stereo sound on small wall-mounted TV)

 

I'm going to be living alone so being able to play different sources at the same time will be less of a requirement.

 

 

Here's what I understand:

 

1. I can't have the rear surround and front highs ON at the same time.

2. There are limitations on which sources can be played simultaneously among main/zone2

3. If I use a speaker switch I need to use one that doesn't overload the amp (I found two on Monoprice )

 

 

So here are my questions (I understand that each question might conflict with another, so I guess I'm looking for discrete answers):

 

1. Can I wire 7.1 along with my front-high and be able to select between 7.1 and 5.1+ front-high with just a quick setting change on the 1123-K? Would this setting change be the speaker button on the front of the unit?

 

2. If I don't care about making occasional setting changes or button pushes, can I connect the rear-surround speakers and 2 or 3 pairs of room speakers to a 1x4 speaker switch with the zone 2 speaker outputs as the switch input. Then set up the 1123-K in zone 2 mode by default and using the speaker switch to only send signal to the 2 or 3 rooms (or I guess where the rear-surrounds are too).  Then when I want to use full 7.1 can I change the setting to use the rear-surround and swap the speaker switch to only output to the rear-surround speakers?

 

3. If I've set it up as noted in questions 1 and 2 can I still at least change settings such that HDZONE will work to send a down-sampled HDMI+Stereo signal to the office - even if NOT at the same time as 5.1 in the Living Room?

 

I'm sure I have more questions, but let's start here - SORRY for such a long post, but this stuff is complex and don't want to overspend on stuff if I'm not going to be able to use it.

 

~Smith H.


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