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Hi Vabmwrider,

We had family from abroad visit us over the weekend so I did not get much time to experience the XS surround format but could hear a difference to my surround sound stage when in effect. Would be nice to learn about your experience ?

I tried the PLIIx M mode and was able to go into the settings, very interesting. What really made a significant difference is the PLIIx C mode for music. It really creates a nice balance between highs, mids and lows and I noticed that it tames the lows a bit and reduces its dominance in a subtle manner. The mids and highs now have that wonderful clarity and presence.

I did not get a chance to connect my iPod via USB but will try at some point.
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Hi Sam,

From what I can tell the XS mode is a proprietary Rotel mode designed to generate surround back channels from 5.1 content. I tend to default to Dolby modes so I haven't spent much time listening via XS but it seemed to work very similar to PLIIx-C. My previous processor was an Anthem AVM 30 which also had proprietary sound modes and I preferred their "AnthemLogic-Music" mode to process stereo music into surround over PLIIx-M.

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Hi Vabmvrider, let me know what you think about XS once you've had a chance to try it out. I will let you have my views too. Right now I am really enjoying the sound of PLIIx-C for music. I prefer it to the M version of PLIIx. The correct manual, as recommended by you, has been a wonderful reference.
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I have set all my speaker crossover at 80, but how about the subwoofer crossover, show I set it crossover at 80 or something different?
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I have set all my speaker crossover at 80, but how about the subwoofer crossover, show I set it crossover at 80 or something different?
Yes, 80Hz crossover for speakers is correct. You need to go into the settings and make sure your speakers are set as "Small". The sub crossover should be set at 120Hz and I recommend you start there, this is pretty much an ideal crossover for this purpose. I've set mine to 100 but I would not go below that.
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Hi Sam,

From what I can tell the XS mode is a proprietary Rotel mode designed to generate surround back channels from 5.1 content. I tend to default to Dolby modes so I haven't spent much time listening via XS but it seemed to work very similar to PLIIx-C. My previous processor was an Anthem AVM 30 which also had proprietary sound modes and I preferred their "AnthemLogic-Music" mode to process stereo music into surround over PLIIx-M.
Hi Vabmwrider - Did you get to try the XS mode ? One thing that I have noticed is that I am often left tweaking my centre speaker levels and sub levels when watching movies between DVD's with Dolby Digital 5.1 and the blu ray sound formats. I think this is a problem more related to the production of the movies as unfortunately there are no proper standards. I wish the processor had the facility to save different sets of speaker levels for different formats just like it does for subwoofer levels.
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Hi Vabmwrider - Did you get to try the XS mode ? One thing that I have noticed is that I am often left tweaking my centre speaker levels and sub levels when watching movies between DVD's with Dolby Digital 5.1 and the blu ray sound formats. I think this is a problem more related to the production of the movies as unfortunately there are no proper standards. I wish the processor had the facility to save different sets of speaker levels for different formats just like it does for subwoofer levels.
Sorry, the weather has been decent and I've been busy with outdoor stuff so the system hasn't been on for much other than news and a couple episodes of Justified. I'll give XS a shot the next time I throw in a disc.

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Well...the unit is functioning well with no issues [knock on wood!]. Sonics is much better than my old Onkyo PR-SC886. I don't miss Audyssey much. Both multi-channel and stereo are great. On the latter, I have it mostly on the "Bypass" mode so as a two channel pure analog pre-amp is quite nice for both my turntable and an outboard DAC.

Since turning on the CEC feature, there has been no thumps on turn-ons and turn-offs. The audio drop off is still there on playback of DVDs and Blu-rays especially when I pause the movie but I rewind it further back so I don't miss anything.

For music, I prefer the PLIIx-M for music since it can be customized to reduce the center channel to a "phantom" speaker. Did I miss something after reading the previous posts regarding an "XS" feature on the surround modes on the unit? I am aware that Rotels have it.
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I want to know what is the Dynamic range setting on the 7030, it has min mid and max setting for the dobly for night time watching, but what should I set for the normal listen?
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Sorry, the weather has been decent and I've been busy with outdoor stuff so the system hasn't been on for much other than news and a couple episodes of Justified. I'll give XS a shot the next time I throw in a disc.
Hi vabmwrider, just wanted to touch base to see how you're doing with your PT-7030. Wanted to ask if you've experienced this. Strangely, with some 320k MP3 music tracks playing from my iPod via RCA or phono interface, the music sounds really good. I presume this may be due to the fact that the DSPs in the processor kick in when an analogue music source is selected. Do you have any idea about this ?
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Hi vabmwrider, just wanted to touch base to see how you're doing with your PT-7030. Wanted to ask if you've experienced this. Strangely, with some 320k MP3 music tracks playing from my iPod via RCA or phono interface, the music sounds really good. I presume this may be due to the fact that the DSPs in the processor kick in when an analogue music source is selected. Do you have any idea about this ?
Hi Sam,

So far my 7030 has been working as expected. With home theater I tend to "set it & forget it" although tweaking my stereo gear is an ongoing process.

When you play music via analog inputs you have a choice of modes to process it. As I remember:

BYPASS = stereo, no bass management, DSP is bypassed, only lt front & rt front speakers playing full range.
STEREO = stereo + sub, lt & rt front speakers are bass managed via DSP so subwoofer is active, no surround processing utilized.
5CH STEREO, 7CH STEREO, Dolby PLII Music, DTS Neo, etc. = DSP utilized for bass management and processing stereo into surround so you'll have 5+1 or 7+1 speakers playing depending on the mode selected.

One thing I've noticed with A/V processor music processing modes is that most 5CH & 7CH STEREO modes increase audible bass. At low levels it can sound good although it can get bloated at higher volumes - but - the modes are good for spreading music around a room. Modes like Dolby PLII-M & DTS Neo generate surround channels and attempt to simulate imaging but don't generally bump the bass like 5CH or 7CH modes do.

What happens is that sometimes a DSP mode can make a compressed track sound "better" depending on personal preference. If a track is compressed and "thin" sounding it may sound better with 5 or 7CH STEREO applied but another track that's bass heavy to begin with may sound bloated. Sometimes a track just has lousy stereo imaging so applying a mode like PLII or Neo can help.

At one point I had a 5.1 surround setup in my bedroom and due to the bed not being centered in the room I always listened to music via Dolby PLII-M because it allowed me to finagle the imaging at the listening position and utilize the sub. As much as I listen to "purist" stereo music in other rooms my bedroom really needed DSP to sound decent.

How music "sounds" is very personal so if you like the effect of whatever DSP mode you're using has on your iPod tracks stick with it. Just like a rug can really tie a room together (Big Lebowski) sometimes a bit of DSP can work wonders.

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Hi Sam,

So far my 7030 has been working as expected. With home theater I tend to "set it & forget it" although tweaking my stereo gear is an ongoing process.

When you play music via analog inputs you have a choice of modes to process it. As I remember:

BYPASS = stereo, no bass management, DSP is bypassed, only lt front & rt front speakers playing full range.
STEREO = stereo + sub, lt & rt front speakers are bass managed via DSP so subwoofer is active, no surround processing utilized.
5CH STEREO, 7CH STEREO, Dolby PLII Music, DTS Neo, etc. = DSP utilized for bass management and processing stereo into surround so you'll have 5+1 or 7+1 speakers playing depending on the mode selected.

One thing I've noticed with A/V processor music processing modes is that most 5CH & 7CH STEREO modes increase audible bass. At low levels it can sound good although it can get bloated at higher volumes - but - the modes are good for spreading music around a room. Modes like Dolby PLII-M & DTS Neo generate surround channels and attempt to simulate imaging but don't generally bump the bass like 5CH or 7CH modes do.

What happens is that sometimes a DSP mode can make a compressed track sound "better" depending on personal preference. If a track is compressed and "thin" sounding it may sound better with 5 or 7CH STEREO applied but another track that's bass heavy to begin with may sound bloated. Sometimes a track just has lousy stereo imaging so applying a mode like PLII or Neo can help.

At one point I had a 5.1 surround setup in my bedroom and due to the bed not being centered in the room I always listened to music via Dolby PLII-M because it allowed me to finagle the imaging at the listening position and utilize the sub. As much as I listen to "purist" stereo music in other rooms my bedroom really needed DSP to sound decent.

How music "sounds" is very personal so if you like the effect of whatever DSP mode you're using has on your iPod tracks stick with it. Just like a rug can really tie a room together (Big Lebowski) sometimes a bit of DSP can work wonders.
Hi Vabmwrider,

Nice to hear from you. After a lot of testing and hearing, I've settled for PLII-Movie for music in a 7.1 configuration. I just love the sound stage it creates but I really had to address speaker levels carefully. You're right about the lows, they can get really accentuated and begin to tarnish the upper-lows and mids so it's really important to tame the lows. I definitely prefer PLII to DTS Neo though, there is something about the way PLII processes stereo, it sounds more natural and balanced.

Have you ever had the need to go into the parametric EQ ?
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Have you ever had the need to go into the parametric EQ ?
Yes, I have PEQ applied to my mains and center. Klipsch La Scala speakers have a hump in their frequency response around 140 HZ but bass below 90 HZ tends to drop off quickly. I use the PEQ as a notch filter at 140 HZ to flatten response and I also apply a minor bass boost below 90 HZ. The EQ is mostly noticeable when the mains are used in stereo modes as it makes the speakers sound less "boxy". I have aftermarket crossover networks (ALK Engineering) in the La Scalas that tames any mid-range horn harshness so I don't need PEQ for mid or treble frequencies.

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Hey guys, I may be in the market to find one of these units soon as I want a Pre with balanced pre outs and this seems to be one of the non stupid expensive models. Of course non Atmos AVRs have all taken a serious depreciation value lol! My Denon 4520 dropped big time. Anyway I recently bought JBL 4722's and Crown DSI 1000 amps to run active. At 104db sensitive speakers I don't want to run into hmm/buzz and want to experiment with balanced as well.

So my question is without reviewing the entire thread...How have these units been for people?

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I read this:
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The outputs on the PT-7030 are indeed fully balanced (which means that the two pins carry equal and out-of-phase signals); which is what gives you the noise-immunity which is the main benefit of a balanced CONNECTION.
The signal path for the DAC outputs themselves to the outputs on the PT-7030, however, is not fully DIFFERENTIAL.
The outputs of the Ds themselves are fully differential, but they do pass through a non-differential stage on their way to the output.
This is not quite it. The DACs used in stereo, a deferentially balanced configuration. The DACs for the center and surround channels are not. This is common, the same is true with some high-end SACD players, like Esoteric, where the main left and right has the fully balanced XLR, (same with Oppo 95 and 105), while the surround and center is unbalanced RCA. This is because few care about this when using multi-channel, usually for movies.

There are some deferentially balanced units; I believe the Krell foundation is fully balanced, such when you use the HDMI from any player to the Krell, then the processing is done by differential dual out of phase signals, yet no matter the source, if the output is single ended (RCA), it cannot be reformed into a balanced signal.

I have seen this one selling at a good price, not by me, or anyone I know, and it is a good buy because it has the HDMI format and uses both outputs and has the multi-channel inputs as well; this one will be fully balanced in stereo, but only when using the XLR input. just in case you wish to know?

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What audio/mode setting should I be using when attempting to send multi-channel PCM to the PT-7030 via HDMI? I don't want the PT-7030 doing any processing in this instance, I'm playing music from JRiver.

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I know this is an old thread but am hoping someone can help. At times when I am tweaking a setting or filter in the P-EQ a minor adjustment to either a gain or a Q makes everything below 80Hz drop drastically in levels. Is this an anomaly in the P-EQ ?
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Hi

I just bought a 2 hand PT-7030

I have somme issues with it.
When I go from Input 1 to Input 3 (when changing input eather way) the amp uses about 10 secounds to get the picture and sound.
Same when I exit the setup menu.

Is that normal?

I see also that the firmware is 1.0 or something.
Are there updates?
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I'm thinking of picking one of these up for $450 (or I can also get it along with the 5/1500A amp for $900 combined).

I'm upgrading from an Emotive DMC-1/MPS-1 combo but I'm growing tired of dealing with its lack of HDMI.

Does anyone still following this thread have any advice about that price compared to what else is out there that would give me HDMI in and XLR outs? I was thinking about the XMC-1 but apparently Emotiva has "lost" my purchase history and won't honor the 40% off processor purchase they promised me around ten years ago. Even if they did, it'd still be $1K over what I found the PT-7030 for and doesn't seem to give a whole lot more than I need for my current setup.

In any case, I'm open to suggestions of both new and old pre/pros.
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Has anyone here been able to fix the annoying delay issue ?
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Hey all,

I have a 7030 I've been using faithfully (very little) for the past few years. Yesterday I configured a Roku to play in my media room. I was using it as an input to my Oppo. In configuring everything, I decided to give it its own input on the sherbourn. What I discovered is that I can't seem to get the 7030's onscreen menu to show up any more. I'm outputting to a JVC projector and it's driving me crazy as I can't configure how the sherbourn handles the Roku.

Any thoughts? I've even bypassed the JVC and am outputting to a small monitor through an HDMI ==> dvi cable. No love there either. I've cycled through the various color space options on my project too, no love there. I know something's happening as I get screen jitters and background changes when turning the menu on and off. My side monitor toggles between blank and 'no input'. Really stumped here.

<edit again> Ran one of my spare hdmi cables out to the living room smart tv. Same results as with my projector. Video is fine, but engaging the on screen display (menu) for the 7030 kills video and I get nothing but black screen.

<one last edit> Decided to power down with a full disconnect for about 30 seconds. That seemed to do it, guess something got hosed in the firmware and needed a solid reboot.

Thanks for any guidance.

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^Having the same issues. No menu since I swapped an HD-DVD connection where the DISH receiver used to be. Did the above with the disconnect of HDMI1 only. Anyone know how to do a re-boot with the remote or the front panel without the on-screen menu?
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