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Not sure if a dedicated thread is necessary for this pre/pro but I figured with the buy one get a free amp special they are running for $1799.00, there will be a lot of new owners out there.
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Here are the specs:

Six HDMI 1.4a inputs and two HDMI 1.4a outputs (one output is ARC enabled).
Twin Cirrus® 32-bit dual-core DSP processors for true 192 kHz audio performance.
Genesis® Torino high-performance video engine for true 10-bit video processing.
DCDi Cinema®Format Conversion and Truelife™ video enhancer.
Individual DACs and volume control circuits for each channel, and a very tightly regulated multi-stage linear power supply ensure the absolute best audio performance.
HDMI 1.4a Deep Color Compliant.
Configurable CEC participation (CEC can be limited to avoid conflicts).
Discrete multichannel parametric EQ for precise room correction.
Full set of 7.2 balanced outputs and full set of 7.1 unbalanced outputs.
Plenty of inputs for all your digital audio source components:
(4 x digital Toslink, 3 x digital Coax).
Plenty of inputs for all your analog audio source components:
(one stereo pair of balanced inputs, seven stereo pairs of unbalanced inputs,
one 7.1 channel set of unbalanced direct inputs).
Three zones of stereo audio and composite video outputs ( in addition to the main zone).
Component video inputs and outputs.
Full integration with popular remote control and automation protocols.
Bluetooth wireless audio
iPod/iPad support
Connectivity

6 – HDMI 1.4 inputs (all support 3D)
2 – HDMI 1.4 outputs (Output 1 is ARC and CEC enabled)

3 – zone video outputs (composite)
2 – composite video inputs
1 – composite video output
2 – component video inputs
1 – component video output

1 – Reference stereo audio input (balanced, stereo)
1 – 7.2 Balanced output (7 channels plus 2 subs)
1 – Tuner input (unbalanced, stereo)
6 – Line inputs (unbalanced, stereo)
1 – 7.1 unbalanced input (7 channels plus sub, unbalanced)
3 – zone audio outputs (unbalanced, stereo)
1 – audio out (mix out, unbalanced, stereo)
7 – digital audio inputs (4 - optical Toslink; 3 - coax)
1 – USB input
2 – digital audio outputs (1 - Toslink optiocal, 1 - coax)

6 - Trigger outputs (independently configurable)
2 – IR outputs; 4 – IR remote inputs
1 – RS-232 serial control input
Dimensions


Size: 17” wide x 7.5” high x 15” deep (includes feet and connectors)

Weight: 33 lbs / 15 kg (unboxed); 37 lbs / 17 kg (boxed)

Rack mountable: Yes, with included rack mount kit

And here is a link to the manual and remote codes:

Manual
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So I suppose you have placed an order for yours. I'll be following this thread with interest.
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I emailed Sherbourn twice with questions about the PT 7030 and the sale they are having. I have yet to receive a response.

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So I suppose you have placed an order for yours. I'll be following this thread with interest.
Order shipped today actually.
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I emailed Sherbourn twice with questions about the PT 7030 and the sale they are having. I have yet to receive a response.

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Maybe a phone call would be more helpful. I don't usually have a lot of luck with emailing companies, myself. What questions did you have Bill? Maybe some people on here can help.
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Maybe a phone call would be more helpful. I don't usually have a lot of luck with emailing companies, myself. What questions did you have Bill? Maybe some people on here can help.

I just checked and Nick from Sherbourn responded to my first email. So that's great service responding to emails at 8:00pm smile.gif.

Here are the questions that I sent to Sherbourn:


1. Does the PT 7030 have the ability to decode DSD when HDMI is used from an Oppo player?

2. Are the remote codes for the PT 7030 in the Harmony (LogiTech) database?

3. Is there any audio delay when watching cable/SAT when the audio changes from digital to analog?

4. What would the sale price of the PT 7030 be if I did not want the PA 7-150 amp?

5. Does the PT 7030's remote have the ability to do on the fly channel level adjustments?


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I just checked and Nick from Sherbourn responded to my first email. So that's great service responding to emails at 8:00pm smile.gif.

Here are the questions that I sent to Sherbourn:


1. Does the PT 7030 have the ability to decode DSD when HDMI is used from an Oppo player?

2. Are the remote codes for the PT 7030 in the Harmony (LogiTech) database?

3. Is there any audio delay when watching cable/SAT when the audio changes from digital to analog?

4. What would the sale price of the PT 7030 be if I did not want the PA 7-150 amp?

5. Does the PT 7030's remote have the ability to do on the fly channel level adjustments?


Bill
Cool deal. What were the answers?
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http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/30712/sherbourn-7030-preamp-official-thread

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I posted a question about this processor earlier, but got nothing. I have only found one review

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I would check that thread out but I was banned from the Lounge. I can't even go on the Lounge just to read that thread as a non member.

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Cool deal. What were the answers?

My first email which Nick responded to did not have those questions in it. I'll probably get a reply to my second email today. In reference to calling Emotiva as opposed to an email is that I have a hard copy of my questions. That way nothing gets lost in the translation. When I returned my UMC-1 to Emotiva I did not get a refund for almost a month. Fortunately I saved all my email communication as I needed it as they misplaced the UMC-1 and did not log in the return. Once I resent the email showing the RMA and FedEx information they were able to process the return. Better safe than sorry smile.gif.

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I would check that thread out but I was banned from the Lounge. I can't even go on the Lounge just to read that thread as a non member.

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What the hell did you say to not even be able to read the threads?! You have a SACD collection and want a written transcript of your conversations with companies. That doesn't sound like a guy who would get on a forum and say something so bad to people they won't even allow him to read their threads anymore. I know they won't let you say negative stuff about their products but damn I didn't think they would permanently remove you!
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Thanks for the link but I've never been a big fan of the Emotiva forums. I was hoping this would be a thread where we can actually be honest about the products and the service, etc. I don't believe you are allowed to say anything negative about any of the products on the Emotiva forums, so to me, it's really not an honest discussion over there. Also, Andrew Robinson, the one who will review the PT-7030, used to work for www.hometheaterreview.com, and now works for Emotiva. I can't imagine that the review is going to be unbiased by any means. My god, if they'll ban their own customers for saying the wrong thing, the people that actually provide them with income, then imagine what they'll do to people that they pay.
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I would check that thread out but I was banned from the Lounge. I can't even go on the Lounge just to read that thread as a non member.

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On that thread there is a comparison of the PT-7030 and the Rotel RSP-1572. Seems the difference being the 7030 with balanced inputs and the 1572 without. If this is indeed so, Kal Rubison did do a review of the 1572. That would be an un-biased opinion of the 7030.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/music-round-53
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I would check that thread out but I was banned from the Lounge. I can't even go on the Lounge just to read that thread as a non member.

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Well that is just so petty and vindictive. Since we are interested in some of the same topics and manufacturers, I've had occasion to read many of your posts and you've always been polite and thoughtful and restrained when trolled.

I tended to not avoid controversial topics on the " lounge" when they came up and openly spoke up if I thought the company was making a mistake or if I thought another brand bested a particular Emo model. These are both controversial over there (lets see how many emo fanboys flame me even now) and I eventually got banned too. Point is, I upset the apple cart far more than you, yet I can still visit that site as a guest while being permanently banned! They really are getting sensitive and overly protective.

Maybe things aren't going so well on the XMC release and the UMC is going to have to carry the load for a while yet, hence the protection?
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On that thread there is a comparison of the PT-7030 and the Rotel RSP-1572. Seems the difference being the 7030 with balanced inputs and the 1572 without. If this is indeed so, Kal Rubison did do a review of the 1572. That would be an un-biased opinion of the 7030.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/music-round-53
I just pulled up both user manuals and by the looks of the back panels, the PT-7030 certainly looks like a rebadged Rotel or vice versa. Either way, Rotel is well known for quality and good sound so I'm pretty sure the Sherbourn equivalent is going to be a very nice unit.
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Kris Deering reviewed the 7030 and the PA 350 for Home Theater Magazine. http://www.hometheater.com/category/power-amplifier-reviews
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And here is the review from Andrew Robinson's website. Have not read it yet.

http://www.andrew-robinson-online.com/review-sherbourn-pt-7030-av-preamp/
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Well that is just so petty and vindictive. Since we are interested in some of the same topics and manufacturers, I've had occasion to read many of your posts and you've always been polite and thoughtful and restrained when trolled.

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Thanks for the kind words smile.gif. I feel my posts did not warrant a ban but it is what it is. I'm definitely interested in the PT 7030 even with all that drama. I just don't want to lose some of the basic features that the 4311 has. I have to read through Andrew Robinson's review but one has to realize he now works for Emotiva. Hopefully he can be non biased but I think that might be difficult to do wink.gif.

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Got my stack today and will take pics as soon as I get it opened to show what accessories come with it and the packaging.
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Got my stack today and will take pics as soon as I get it opened to show what accessories come with it and the packaging.

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Didn't know I had any neighbors on here! I figured all the Texas people were from Houston or Dallas. Well here it goes.

First I unboxed the amp.



Double boxed and very well packaged. It came with a US power cord, I'm assuming one for Europe, and a 12V trigger cable. No rack ears were sent so I'll have to call Sherbourn and ask if they can send them. Nothing else to say really on that except it's over 60 pounds. I felt every bit of it.

Next I unboxed the pre amp:

Again, double boxed and very well packaged.

Here is a picture of what is shipped with the preamp.

The cable is actually a RJ45 to RS-232 cable. I've never seen one of these but I did notice the PT-7030 has an RJ45 connector on the back panel. And the manual says it is absolutely not to be used for Ethernet. It's a weird trick they play on their customers. I don't care if it's "professional" or not, it shouldn't be hard to put a standard RS-232 connector on a preamp. I guess they include the odd adapter cable so it's not a big deal if you want to hook this thing up to iRule. Just don't lose the cable. They also included 3 or 4 spare fuses. Kinda odd but maybe it's a "pro" thing. One pretty cool thing they included that was somewhat shocking, was that blue USB Bluetooth adapter. You can plug it into the back and Bluetooth your iPhone to your preamp. Very handy I guess if you're into the whole multiple zone audio thing or you just want to listen music in your theater. I forgot to include the remote in the picture but you get one of those that pair perfectly with those 2 new batteries that are included. I would go back and take a picture of the remote but I don't feel like it and the remote sucks anyways and if you are reading this, you have a universal and won't be using that god awful monstrosity that Sherbourn calls a remote. Andrew Robinson was right in his review. That thing is strictly for initial setup and then you need to use iRule, Control4, or the like, or a universal remote for everyday use.

All I did today was unplug everything from my Marantz SR5005 and Rotel RMB1075, unbox the Sherbourn stuff, put my old stuff into the Sherbourn boxes, Put the new Sherbourn stuff on the shelf, plug everything back in, make my back really sore, set the channel levels on my speakers and subs, then played around with the PT-7030 menus. No critical listening today. Sorry fellas. However, I will tell you, if you are a minimalist like myself, and don't feel the need for a magical room correction program and 2.5 million different useless surround codecs, then the Sherbourn PT-7030 is absolutely for you. Here is a shot of the main menu:



Speaking of the menu, along with being simple and very straight forward, it's not for a new guy. That's to be expected since Sherbourn caters only to dealers and installers and has never sold directly to the public until very recently. But I like that. I don't need auto setup or millions of ways to get lost in the menu structure of a preamp.

One more thing about this whole "professional" line of products. My Marantz SR5005 is a 7 channel receiver. It weighs 25.6 pounds. I feel like, along with many others, that Marantz makes very high quality stuff. The Rotel, which is also well known for quality, weighs 30 pounds, maybe a little more. The Sherbourn PT-7030 preamp, weighs 33 lbs. The 150 watt per channel amp, which is not considered to be a "big boy" in the power amp world by any means, weighs 66 pounds. I know the Rotel is only 5 channels and the Sherbourn is 7 so you may think I'm not comparing apples to apples. Well, the 5 channel Sherburn amp weighs 58 pounds. These damn units are heavy. Heavy doesn't necessarily equal quality, however. I mean, a Camaro SS weighs 200 or 300 pounds more than my Boss 302 and we all know that Camaro's suck. Anyways, I'll let let you know if there is a difference in my theater between the Sherbourn and what I would say is a pretty good setup (Marantz SR5005 & Rotel RMB-1075). I'll throw in some movies tomorrow and play around with the Parametric EQ and put my thoughts on here.
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Well I read the review on the emotiva site,lot of flattering words, but not much meat. What kind of DAC's are on board? I would love to see an unbiased report before I think about changing out my Anthem MRX300.

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Well I read the review on the emotiva site,lot of flattering words, but not much meat. What kind of DAC's are on board? I would love to see an unbiased report before I think about changing out my Anthem MRX300.


See post #19 on this thread of a review by Kris Deering. Also very flattering.
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Guys, last night I popped in a blu-ray demo disc that I got from a guy on the forum and my M&K's were sounding better than they ever have. The amps and pre amp combos I've owned in the order in which I've bought them are:
1. Regular receiver
2. Emotiva XPA-3 and Denon AVR-988
3. Outlaw 7075 and Denon AVR-988 and then an Integra DTC-9.8 and finally a Marantz SR5005 (I figured a 7 channel would be an upgrade over a 3. I was incorrect in this instance. The XPA-3 was far better due to this particular Outlaw's lack of power. Also, the Marantz was the best sounding of the pre amps)
4. Rotel RMB-1075 and Marantz SR5005 (Rotel was a 5 channel. 120 watts per channel/8 ohms and 200/4 ohms. My front 3 M&K's are 4 ohms and surrounds are 8. Sounded good. I was happy)
5. Sherbourn stack with PT-7030 and PA 7-150 (Just from what I've heard so far, not as warm as the Marantz, but far more details coming through all 7 channels than any combo I've heard so far.)

All I can say to this point, is that the Sherbourn power amp outclasses the Rotel. And the pre amp, which is a Rotel/Sherbourn conglomeration, doesn't sound quite as good as the Marantz SR5005. However, I like the Sherbourn pre amp simplicity and parametric eq. As far as the Sherbourn and Rotel comparison goes, I'm not sure what is going on electrically inside these 2 to cause such a big difference, but the Sherbourn has my surround speakers sounding better than ever. And before you say that it's because of the fact that the Rotel is a 5 channel and the Sherbourn is a 7, this was 5 channel material I was listening to. And just to make sure there was no pro pogic II processing or some other silliness slipping through to my back speakers, I disconnected the surround back channels after a few minutes of listening to my demo disc. The front 3 channels were sounding like I've heard them sound when I had the Emotiva XPA-3. But I didn't realize what I had been missing in the rear of my theater room. The Rotel is 120 watts into 8 ohms and 200 into 4. The Sherbourn is 150 into 8 and 200 into 4. The Sherbourn weighs 36 pounds more and sounds like it ways 36 pounds more. I'll do more listening this weekend when I sober up and report back. So far, I like what I've got and may not have to take advantage of that 30 day trial period.
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A break in period may change your mind to the positive side over the 5005 also. I feel the longer you listen to your new setup the more you're going to like it. Did you calibrate it with a Rat Shack meter?
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A break in period may change your mind to the positive side over the 5005 also. I feel the longer you listen to your new setup the more you're going to like it. Did you calibrate it with a Rat Shack meter?
SPL meter was used. One thing I don't like about the Sherbourn by the way, is there is no "reference" volume level. The Marantz and every other preamp and receiver I've owned had a reference volume of 0 db. Also, when playing test tones with the Marantz, they were a fixed sound level no matter what the volume knob was set on. On the Sherbourn, it does not use the standard "db" for volume. It just has a number like on a TV. The factory default when I initially powered the unit on, was 45. That was very low. I turned the volume knob until the number got to 75. The test tones on the Sherbourn will increase and decrease in volume based on what the volume knob is set to which made setting speaker levels really annoying. The manual speaks of no reference volume level so I just set it to 75 and then calibrated all 7 speakers and both subs to 75 db.
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WOW, What a bargain, I posted on here a little while ago seeking advice on a HT setup which due to various unforseen circmastances was put on hold, and within a week of starting the search again I come across this Sherbourn bargain AND the teaser video for the new ARCAM AVR's, what to do????

How are you going running in you new toys JVoth?
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