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I have a yamaha receiver (rx-V473) with an apple tv hooked up to it and then to a vizio tv (m220va). It is mostly used by the kids to watch movies from the apple tv and works perfectly.

Sometimes though, we want them to listen to music with the tv off. Although when we start the music and then turn off the tv, the audio stops. I am not sure if this is the apple tv pausing or the receiver muting the volume, but it appears to be the first one.

Anyone know how to continue to hear the audio when the tv is off?
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Do you have HDMI Standby On in the 473?

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Do you have HDMI Standby On in the 473?

What he said, if not, just run a seperate audio cable from the device (I dont have apple tv so dont know if its plausable). Optical or Red white?
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The TV is sometimes required to keep the HDMI signal path complete. If you add an HDMI switch or splitter between the AVR and the TV, that should resolve the issue.

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If you add an HDMI switch or splitter between the AVR and the TV, that should resolve the issue.

I'm not so sure that will solve the issue definitely. The problem is the broken HDMI chain when you initially have TV on, then shut off. Some players can automatically re-start a new handshake, some don't. It largely depends on the design of player device and sometime AVR itself. But it is quite normal that AVR will lose sound if you turn off the TV in the middle of a playback.
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I have a very similar setup. I believe the above posters are right. The HDMI connection is likely being severed at the TV since it is off.

Unless the TV itself had HDMI standby passthrough, which I don't think any TV has, it won't pass through.

Either a separate run or an HDMI splitter -- for only when the TV is off -- should work.

Edit: Actually -- How are the speakers connected to the TV? We assumed HDMI. Is it stereo cable, toslink?
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I have never had any problem listening to my cable box, PS3, or BDP while the tv was off with my Yamaha receivers. He either has a setting wrong in the avr or it is an issue with the AppleTV device.
No tv I have ever heard of has HDMI standby pass through.

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What it sounds like is he is passing through HDMI to another device and THEN to speakers. I don't think he's talking about line level speakers. I could be wrong, but if not, he has a very similar setup to me. It has less to do with the receiver itself and more to do with how he is passing HDMI downstream. We will have to wait to hear from OP for more information.
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I have never had any problem listening to my cable box, PS3, or BDP while the tv was off with my Yamaha receivers. He either has a setting wrong in the avr or it is an issue with the AppleTV device.
No tv I have ever heard of has HDMI standby pass through.

Try this on your cable box:

1. Have TV, AVR and cable box or CD/BD player all on. With HDMI connection of course.
2. Tune to a cable music channel or start play a CD or BD and make sure it plays music fine.
3. Turn off the TV. Now see if the music still plays on your AVR speaker.

For majority setups, it will effectively stop the audio to the AVR the second your TV is off.

There is no problem if you started playing music without TV ever on.
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When I follow those steps there is a momentary pause and then the audio continues with the tv off.

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That means your device is able to re-negotiate a new HDMI handshake and continue. Try a different device like PS3 and BDP and see how they react. Not all device can do that. And some AVR won't react so nicely either. OP's problem is just that. It is a quite common complaint.
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That means your device is able to re-negotiate a new HDMI handshake and continue. Try a different device like PS3 and BDP and see how they react. Not all device can do that. And some AVR won't react so nicely either. OP's problem is just that. It is a quite common complaint.
All my devices work that way. LG BDP, PS3, DVR. Thats why I said he either has a setting wrong in the Yamaha or it is an issue with the AppleTV.
Apple is famous for making their devices only compatible with other Apple devices to force you to stay in the family. That is my first suspect.

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I'm not so sure that will solve the issue definitely. The problem is the broken HDMI chain when you initially have TV on, then shut off. Some players can automatically re-start a new handshake, some don't. It largely depends on the design of player device and sometime AVR itself. But it is quite normal that AVR will lose sound if you turn off the TV in the middle of a playback.

That's why it likely will work as the TV's EDID is copied to the HDMI splitter/switch which the AVR still sees when the TV is turned off. wink.gif

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I see.
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I see.
You a fan of Russian planes? MIG-25. Predecessor to the Fulcrum. Not as sexy as the MIG-29. Not as lethal as the MIG-31.
None of which are a match for an Eagle. smile.gif

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All my devices work that way. LG BDP, PS3, DVR. Thats why I said he either has a setting wrong in the Yamaha or it is an issue with the AppleTV.
Apple is famous for making their devices only compatible with other Apple devices to force you to stay in the family. That is my first suspect.

The OP is sort of the same boat I am. I would like to listen to a cd without turning on the television. With my Onkyo 809 and Pansonic 310, I have dual HDMI outs, one connection to the receiver for audio, the other connection to the TV. I lose the audio connection to the Panasonic when the television is off. The only way I can listen to a CD is with my Sony DVD recorders optical output. I have tried HDMI passthough, and setting the receiver to allow passthrough for the Panasonic only, but to no avail. HDCP = PITA...
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Roger that! I was a fan of all warplanes of that era. Don't have time for that anymore.
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You a fan of Russian planes? MIG-25. Predecessor to the Fulcrum. Not as sexy as the MIG-29. Not as lethal as the MIG-31.
None of which are a match for an Eagle. smile.gif


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Roger that! I was a fan of all warplanes of that era. Don't have time for that anymore.



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Said enough.
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That really is super cool. smile.gif And the caption says it all.

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