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I have my eye on the Denon AVR-2113CI to power either:

Option A: Andrew Jones Designed Pioneer Setup

Pioneer FS52 Towers
Pioneer BS22 Bookshelves
Pioneer SP-C22 Center
TOTAL COST: $328


Option B: Klipsch Setup

Klipsch RF42 Towers
Klipsch RC 41 Bookshelves
Klipsch RC42 Center
TOTAL COST: $913

Primary use is movies and games, maybe some music piped outside to a couple speakers. 19x12 dedicated room.

What mostly attracts me to this receiver is the collaboration, I also like being able to control it anywhere.

BUT...a $500 receiver to power a $300 setup (if I go w Pioneer) seems like it might be overkill (and I'm still deciding on the right speaker setup).
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Right ... although the general rule of thumb is to spend roughly 2-3x the cost of the AVR on the 5.1 speaker setup, at a minimum you need to select an AVR that offers the features, inputs, outputs that you require. The 2113CI offers the better version of Audyssey MultEQ XT than the 1913, so would still be the better choice if you go with the Pioneer setup if your intention is to upgrade to the Klipsch in the near future.

Suggest you post your max budget, room size, and listening preference in the Speakers forum for some speaker setup suggestions.

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The 2113CI offers the better version of Audyssey MultEQ XT than the 1913, so would still be the better choice if you go with the Pioneer setup if your intention is to upgrade to the Klipsch in the near future.

Suggest you post your max budget, room size, and listening preference in the Speakers forum for some speaker setup suggestions.

http://www.avsforum.com/f/89/speakers

My intention is to buy once and have it last, if I buy the Pioneer's I want it to be because they were the best for a 3-4k ht setup (speakers, receiver, screen, projector)

I got mixed advice on the speakers
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1477279/klipsch-rf42-or-andrew-jones-pioneer-fs52-movies-games

I'm leaning towards passing on the Pioneer's and going w either the Klipsch or Energy system; I don't want something that I have to replace anytime soon. Unfortunately, at this mid/low-level not a lot of options to audition without setting them up, returning, etc.

Overall, while I don't have 10k to spend, I don't want to cut corners that I'll end up regretting either.
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Money spent on better quality speakers is generally always going to serve you much better than upgrading to a higher level AVR. That said, as noted in post #2 of the "2012 Denon AVR-XX13 Models" thread linked in my sig, the 2113CI is the best bang-for-the-buck model in the XX13 series, so would be a good choice with any 6-ohm or 8-ohm speaker setup you choose, although you may want to review post #2 in the "2013 Denon AVR-E/X Models" thread linked in my sig to determine if the 2113CI successor, the X2000 might better fit your needs.

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Very interesting, so the X series is the current series. Didn't realize that 2113 was and "old" model.

Not sure I need anything that the X2000 brings, but I'll have to dig in and try to understand it a bit more and see if it's worth the +150 price difference.

I know this is the receiver conversation but do you think the Klipsch or Energy are the better longer term option than that particular Pioneer (I wouldn't normally have looked at the Pioneer except for the reviews, and yes the crazy sale/price).

Of course all this said and as much as I'm researching this to death, my old setup was an ancient RCA receiver and a cheap box set of Polks from BB....so anything will be a big improvement.
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Correct. D&M comes out with new models every year with the final digit in past years referring to the fiscal year rather than the calendar year. This year the naming convention changed to the "E" and "X" series. The Amazon reviews for the Pioneer package seem to be very positive. For a better price on the X2000 give Craig at AVScience a "call" during the week.


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I know this is the receiver conversation but do you think the Klipsch or Energy are the better longer term option than that particular Pioneer (I wouldn't normally have looked at the Pioneer except for the reviews, and yes the crazy sale/price).

Since you didn't specify an Energy model in any of your posts in this thread it would be hard to say which is a better option. Cannot make a comparison without knowing what specific Energy model you want.

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Since you didn't specify an Energy model in any of your posts in this thread it would be hard to say which is a better option. Cannot make a comparison without knowing what specific Energy model you want.

Oops, their bookshelf CB-10s
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First: The Denon 2113 that I bought was DOA, right channel was all messed up. Grabbed an open box Pioneer SC-61s for $600 and everything is working like a charm. We'll see if I keep that, it was actually the one they used for demos, so not really open box. I'm sure the Denon is a fine receiver but I'm not giving it a second chance. Too many other options out there.

First listen, I think I like the Energy CB-10 (though I'd upgrade to the CB-20) over the Klipsch. The tower had more bass, but overall sound was just nicer on the Energy. But again it was a quick test, one song...I'll test it, and the Pioneer, more tonight with a movie running. That'll be the real test.



update: a few run throughs of the opening of Cars (hey, it's what I had). The Klipsch are definitely some nice towers, the Energy hold their own and the Pioneer really sounded nice too...definitely didn't sound like a $150 pair of speakers.

Of course the question is will I notice a big difference ongoing with the Klipsch (running $600 for the pair) over the Energy ($300) or Pioneer ($200). Of course I'll be adding subwoofer, center and side surrounds too.

Running through a few more listens tomorrow night with our sound engineer from church, he'll certainly be able to point out some differences.
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