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Hi all,

I really like the warm sound of the H/K 240 7.1 I have, but with my new set up it's too high and won't fit, actually it' fits exactly if I remove the feet so I'm afraid it'll burn up eventually without ample room above and below to cool.

Any recommendation for other receivers that tend to lean toward the 'warm' end like the H/K but with a smaller profile?
Not looking to spend a fortune, but something low to mid level. The space I have is 6.0" high, 19.5" wide, 14.5" deep.

Thanks!
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I think your only option is Marantz. They sound very much like HK and they have two slim line models: NR1403, NR1603.
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How is your venting? Open to the back? If it is closed, I'm going to agree heat will be a problem. With good venting, you may be OK - but no space above or below is a concern. Low-profile marantz is all I can think of as well.
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Thanks for the suggestions - I will check Marantz out.

As for venting, as depicted in the picture,the AVR is really tight at top and bottom, but there's about 3-4 inches of the venting on the top that sticks out, and 2 inches on each side of the AVR which also has venting openings.
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That's a very tight space. Get one of the Marantz slimline models like the 1602 or 1603.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MARNR1602/Marantz-NR1602-SlimLine-AV-Receiver-7.1ch-with-Networking-and-AirPlay/1.html


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Thanks all for your input.
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After some more snooping I found what appears to be a fairly new model Harman Kardon AVR 1510 (and progressively higher priced 1610 and 1710) which is much slimmer than typical for H/K. Width ~17", Height 4-3/4", Depth ~12", vs. the 4-1/4" height of the Marantz NR1403.

Does anyone know anything about the H/K 1510?
Would the top clearance of 1-3/4" (Marantz) vs. 1-1/4" (H/K 1510) be neither here not there?
The Depth of the H/K is only 12" vs 14.5 for the Marantz 1403,

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your HK 240 didn't have HDMI and these new receivers do have HDMI with very little connections for anything else.

What devices are you planning to connect to the receiver?

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I'm only connecting a PVR and a DVD via HDMI, then a Wii via composite so either AVR provides the basics for what I need.
I've only used optical and coax on my H/K 240 because it doesn't have HDMI as you mentioned.
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OK folks, it's between the Harman Kardon 1610 and the Marantz 1403 and I'm not quite sure of what really matters in terms of their specs and what's 'fluff' so I'd greatly appreciate any input to help me decide. Due to the limited space above the receiver (Marantz 1-3/4, H/K 1-1/4) if one brand tends to run cooler than the other that would also be good to know.

Harman Kardon 1610 - Specs

Marantz 1403 - Specs


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OK folks, it's between the Harman Kardon 1610 and the Marantz 1403 and I'm not quite sure of what really matters in terms of their specs and what's 'fluff' so I'd greatly appreciate any input to help me decide. Due to the limited space above the receiver (Marantz 1-3/4, H/K 1-1/4) if one brand tends to run cooler than the other that would also be good to know.

Harman Kardon 1610 - Specs

Marantz 1403 - Specs


Thanks!

I would go for the Marantz due to Audyssey on board. smile.gif It has MultEQ, DynamicEQ and Dynamic Volume to please you! smile.gif
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Neither one of these receivers has analog to HDMI video conversion so you'll need a run a separate cable from your Wii to the receiver and then to the TV.

Unless you buy a Wii to HDMI adapter.
http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-1080P-Output-Upscaling-Converter/dp/B007PY3ZPG/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1372626103&sr=1-1&keywords=wii+adapter+to+hdmi

The HK 1610 has networking which will allow you to stream internet radio, it also has bluetooth so you can connect your smartphone, tablet and other devices.

http://www.harmankardon.com/images/media/AVR_1610_SS_EN.pdf

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I'd get the Marantz. I've owned many HK products over the years and still do (HK 3390) and you only need to see what they sell on ebay to get an idea of where this company is going. Their current and recently current AVRs tend to be junk. Marantz is probably built better and with Audyssey will probably sound better as well.

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I would go for the Marantz due to Audyssey on board. smile.gif It has MultEQ, DynamicEQ and Dynamic Volume to please you! smile.gif
Is Audyssey much better than the H/K EzSet/EQ III?

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The HK 1610 has networking which will allow you to stream internet radio, it also has bluetooth so you can connect your smartphone, tablet and other devices.
The seemingly more bang for the buck with the H/K 1610 is part of my dilemma in choosing. Networking, USB, Bluetooth and 85w vs 50w per channel, but then again I don't know if 85w vs 50w makes a whole lot of difference?

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I'd get the Marantz. I've owned many HK products over the years and still do (HK 3390) and you only need to see what they sell on ebay to get an idea of where this company is going. Their current and recently current AVRs tend to be junk. Marantz is probably built better and with Audyssey will probably sound better as well.
So the seemingly more bang for the buck may only mean that there are more things that could go wrong? Especially if the quality isn't what it used to be.
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Hi all,

I really like the warm sound of the H/K 240 7.1 I have, but with my new set up it's too high and won't fit, actually it' fits exactly if I remove the feet so I'm afraid it'll burn up eventually without ample room above and below to cool.

Any recommendation for other receivers that tend to lean toward the 'warm' end like the H/K but with a smaller profile?
Not looking to spend a fortune, but something low to mid level. The space I have is 6.0" high, 19.5" wide, 14.5" deep.

Thanks!

How is a HK receiver "warm"? Is there a bass hump somewhere in its output, or a "warm" DSP processing mode?
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Then get a 1603 for $499 and you'll get the networking, Pandora streaming, Airplay, Audyssey MultEQ calibration, analog to HDMI video conversion and your slim line chassis.
http://www.amazon.com/Marantz-NR1603-Channel-Networking-Receiver/dp/B0081N916W/ref=pd_cp_e_0

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Then get a 1603 for $499 and you'll get the networking, Pandora streaming, Airplay, Audyssey MultEQ calibration, analog to HDMI video conversion and your slim line chassis.
http://www.amazon.com/Marantz-NR1603-Channel-Networking-Receiver/dp/B0081N916W/ref=pd_cp_e_0

Plan B: Obtain a Denon AVR 1913 (refurbed) from eCost @ $255.

http://www.ecost.com/p/Denon-Audio-Receivers/product~dpno~9233464~pdp.hgdjfdb

"It is a 7.1-channel home theater receiver, you can listen to Internet radio or play music from your iTunes library on your iPad, iPhone, iPod Touch, or computer. A built-in upscaler converts analog signals into 1080p HD video, while an intuitive graphical user interface makes the receiver easy to operate."

It also has Audyssey Multieq

I think it is $299 (again refurb) at acessories4less.com . n
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He has height limitations, the Denon 1913 wont fit.

If he's willing to go refurb then he should get the Marantz NR1602 or NR1603 from AC4Less.

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I considered the refurbished 1603 but ended up going with the Marantz 1403 so hopefully it'll be a nice fit - really appreciate your input and guidance - thanks!
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Be sure to check out the Marantz 1403 Owner's thread in the link below as well as review the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig ...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1409015/marantz-nr1403-and-nr1603-slim-line-receiver-thread/0_100

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Thanks jdsmoothie. I found the Audyssey guide a very useful read. I set it all up last night and it sounds great!
I'm really happy and impressed with the sound of this receiver and again I appreciate you guys steering me in the direction of Marantz.

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